Dodgeball! 1.2

[deepstrasz]

A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in use by Dodgeball! 1.0
You can also upload your map here to generate a list: Asset scanner

I removed 3 resources you've put as assets because that meant downloading them with the map in an archive.

Seems like the description isn't finished.

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MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
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GENERAL MAPPING
A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

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[Xisthename]

A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in use by Dodgeball! 1.0
You can also upload your map here to generate a list: Asset scanner

I removed 3 resources you've put as assets because that meant downloading them with the map in an archive.

Seems like the description isn't finished.

Awaiting Update.

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MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
• Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

M A P - C R E A T I O N - G U I D E S

Details

GENERAL MAPPING
A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
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Hey,

Thanks for the feedback, I will do my best the following weeks to fill in the necessary information!

I guess there was a problem when I pasted in the abilities where i have written "Point, Instant" and so on which cut off the text.

 

[Saran]

Hi I played this map, but I think the arena is too large, it's hard to hit anything, not sure

 

[Xisthename]

Hi I played this map, but I think the arena is too large, it's hard to hit anything, not sure

Hey,

The spells deal more damage for each level and will move the dodgeballs quite a lot at further stages of the game.

A normal spell in level 1 is able to move the dodgeball at least 30% of the arenas width.

I don't think the arena is too large, when you are above level 6 since you are able to move the dodgeballs quite far.

Maybe the damage (knockback) of the spells need to have a higher base damage.

I have received some feedback on the cooldowns at early stages of the game being to long when you can only throw out 1 or 2 spells.

Maybe the players should start at level 2 instead of level 1 to make the gameplay more fun?
Maybe the cooldowns of spells in general should be a bit lower?

What do you think?

 

[deepstrasz]

Seems like a nice mini-game with good physics. Could use some more heroes and game modes in the future.

Approved.

 

[Bawbz]

Played this last night with some friends.

The concept is great and the physics seem legit, but we weren't able to play more than a couple rounds.

For one, the map seems quite buggy - there are times when units simply won't respond to commands. There were instances where targeting spells was a nightmare, the targeting seemed to be getting repeatedly cancelled.

Besides the bugs, I have a few suggestions.

Firstly, I think the normal attacks should be stronger. The pace of the game is quite slow because you need to wait for your cooldowns to do anything that can threaten the opposing team. I think it would be good if your normal attack was reasonably dangerous, and the abilities gave you ways to throw the ball in unexpected ways, hit multiple balls at the same time, summon temporary balls, etc. In other words, the attacks are a fine way to go, but the abilities add the chaos that makes it hard to dodge.

Some of the abilities also seemed overly complicated. A game like this should (in my opinion) have very simple abilities, because you want a fast pace and people won't have the time to read long tooltips and decipher complicated mechanics. The Thunder Clap on the MK is a good example of a simple ability that works well.

Overall, I won't rate the map yet because in my opinion the bugs make it unplayable. I'd love to see a fixed up version though, because it has great potential.

 

[Xisthename]

Played this last night with some friends.

The concept is great and the physics seem legit, but we weren't able to play more than a couple rounds.

For one, the map seems quite buggy - there are times when units simply won't respond to commands. There were instances where targeting spells was a nightmare, the targeting seemed to be getting repeatedly cancelled.

Besides the bugs, I have a few suggestions.

Firstly, I think the normal attacks should be stronger. The pace of the game is quite slow because you need to wait for your cooldowns to do anything that can threaten the opposing team. I think it would be good if your normal attack was reasonably dangerous, and the abilities gave you ways to throw the ball in unexpected ways, hit multiple balls at the same time, summon temporary balls, etc. In other words, the attacks are a fine way to go, but the abilities add the chaos that makes it hard to dodge.

Some of the abilities also seemed overly complicated. A game like this should (in my opinion) have very simple abilities, because you want a fast pace and people won't have the time to read long tooltips and decipher complicated mechanics. The Thunder Clap on the MK is a good example of a simple ability that works well.

Overall, I won't rate the map yet because in my opinion the bugs make it unplayable. I'd love to see a fixed up version though, because it has great potential.

Thanks a lot for the good feedback!

"There were instances where targeting spells was a nightmare, the targeting seemed to be getting repeatedly cancelled."
I think some of this is related to the bad autoselect system I have created and I have decided I will remove it entirely.


"I think the normal attacks should be stronger."
After getting more and more feedback of how the slow gameplay is to begin with, I do agree that basic attacks should be stronger and I have recently tested around with 75 damage instead of 25 damage, which means that your basic attack is around the same strength as an ability of level 1

Some of the abilities also seemed overly complicated
Yes this is a design issue from my side where I find it fun to create complicated cool spells, however I think that one can get into the spells still quite easy since ability Q and E is basically the same ones on each hero. Sadly I cant do much regarding this in the current state.

Storm Bolt
I have received a lot of feedback that the stun is not long enough to take advantage when a hero is hit and therefore it will be increased by 0.25 sec.


Questions
Did you and your friends have any problem with getting back your heroes into the arena after a round finished?

 

[Bawbz]

Questions
Did you and your friends have any problem with getting back your heroes into the arena after a round finished?

We did not have this issue, but we didn't play too many rounds.

I did notice that the balls were persisting between rounds, not sure if that was intentional or not.

 

[Xisthename]

We did not have this issue, but we didn't play too many rounds.

I did notice that the balls were persisting between rounds, not sure if that was intentional or not.

No that's not intentional, at its current state there should always only be 4 balls, this is an issue I have heard about before that I have on my long todo list.

I will do my best to slowly make the map more stable in coming months.