Corrupted Ancients - Forestwalk

[SgtWinter]

It's finally out! Let's FREAKING gooooooo!

A Corrupted race that stays true to the original campaign representation, with an arsenal of weak and fragile early game units, and tricky spellcasters and specialists. Not to mention SKELETONS.

"The Corrupted race changed my life immediately. I got a wife, kids, and I now own a multi-billion dollar company. 10/10 IGN."

 

[Shar Dundred]

Dayum son.

Insta-approve.
Wait. Shit. Keep forgetting that...

 

[Imemi]

I downloaded the map, and my life changed.
I now have a family who is proud of me, and a stable job to set up a future for my kids.
Thanks @Wazzz, best man.

 

[you cant guess my name]

This must be the most accurate representation of the Satyr race out there
Pros:
-Satyr is my favorite WoW race
-So many cool custom abilities spells and units
-Skeletons
-Very creative shop items
Cons:
-Satyr idle worker icon
-Some of the tooltips are scuffed, like the Fel Spring's
-Skeleton King can get ult at lvl 1
-Defiled Well shouldn't replenish health imo


"The Corrupted Ancients faction is a masterpiece that evolves gameplay, story telling and rich custom race design. 10/10 IGN."

 

[Wazzz]

This must be the most accurate representation of the Satyr race out there
Pros:
-Satyr is my WoW favorite race
-So many cool custom abilities spells and units
-Skeletons
-Very creative shop items
Cons:
-You credited someone named Summer? who is he? i have never heard of him
-Satyr idle worker icon
-Some of the tooltips are scuffed, like the Fel Spring's
-Skeleton King can get ult at lvl 1
-Defiled Well shouldn't replenish health imo


"The Corrupted Ancients faction is a masterpiece that evolves gameplay, story telling and rich custom race design. 10/10 IGN."

I cannot believe I overlooked the level requirements for the Skeleton King's ult. I have shamed everyone, I'll do what I can but will also be filing in my resignation.

P.S. I haven't uploaded screenshots yet because for some reason taking screenshots stopped working temporarily, so I will need to address that to post some screenshots.

 

[Blackgrowl]

I hope this isn't a stupid question but, is there any way to play it on older versions? I don't mind if it's 1.31.1
If there's a guide on how I can do it myself, I'll do it.

 

[Wazzz]

There isn't a way to play it on older versions unfortunately, it's been saved in the latest version and as far as I'm aware that means it's not compatible with previous versions. But that's as far as I'm aware, I might be wrong maybe?

 

[Daffa]

Minor nitpicks:

• Skeleton from Cursed Blades don't benefit from upgrades (still uses old default one)
• Is it just me or does the Fireball spell from the Satyr hero deal more damage than the tooltip suggests?

Anyway, great work! 10/10 IGN this change my life!

 

[Ravager16829]

I hope this isn't a stupid question but, is there any way to play it on older versions? I don't mind if it's 1.31.1
If there's a guide on how I can do it myself, I'll do it.

There isn't a way to play it on older versions unfortunately, it's been saved in the latest version and as far as I'm aware that means it's not compatible with previous versions. But that's as far as I'm aware, I might be wrong maybe?

The "Current" version in the description means the map is only playable on Reforged, which was 1.32.10. However, the map was still playable on Classic Mode. So there is no possible way to play this map on older versions.

 

[Wazzz]

Minor nitpicks:

• Skeleton from Cursed Blades don't benefit from upgrades (still uses old default one)
• Is it just me or does the Fireball spell from the Satyr hero deal more damage than the tooltip suggests?

Anyway, great work! 10/10 IGN this change my life!

At the moment I used the default Skeleton Warriors from the Undead for them, but I can change this to be more appropriate to the faction if it feels appropriate. I guess I was a little concerned that I'd have to replicate the Skeleton Warriors to do so, although I could theoretically use the creep version of the Skeleton Warrior instead, but then I'd have different unit types for the same unit and that could be weird maybe? I guess I'll need to give it a think

As for the Fireball tooltip, I may have to look into that

Glad you liked it <3

 

[Wa666r]

Great race. I can see a lot of thought and passion went into it.

Having the ability to remove worker classification... Brilliant. Why have I not thought of that?!

My one nitpick is the worker idle icon. I'm not a fan of it always being there. I understand you wanted a more immersive aspect, but it distracts me the whole time thinking i have idol workers.

"Thanks to you I have reunited with my long lost childhood bestfriend. We are set to get married on Oct 25th to commemorate the release date."

 

[Wazzz]

The "Current" version in the description means the map is only playable on Reforged, which was 1.32.10. However, the map was still playable on Classic Mode. So there is no possible way to play this map on older versions.

I only just recently found out about this tool, I don't know if it will work but here's hoping it does: Map Adapter

Great race. I can see a lot of thought and passion went into it.

Having the ability to remove worker classification... Brilliant. Why have I not thought of that?!

My one nitpick is the worker idle icon. I'm not a fan of it always being there. I understand you wanted a more immersive aspect, but it distracts me the whole time thinking i have idol workers.

"Thanks to you I have reunited with my long lost childhood bestfriend. We are set to get married on Oct 25th to commemorate the release date."

Thank you very much

The worker idle icon, yeah... I've been trying out Tasyen's Custom UI System, I can turn that aspect off in it, maybe use a generic worker icon. I like being able to have the appropriate worker icon there, but it does come at that cost so it might be worth changing that part of it up a bit (especially since you're not the only one to have issues with it).

 

[Kyrbi0]

Finally!

This goes on the long list of "Things to test out & respond to", but I'd be remiss if I didn't make at least a token post here: I'm very pleased & intrigued by what you've got going on here, based on all our conversations about it's design. Your drive to follow in my footsteps err take my advice err embrace my ethos of designing things based on the campaign/pre-existing game is beyond commendable, and really quite impressive; you've taken things even further than I would've, which is impressive. xD I'll be testing it out, but I'm honestly unsure if I could do it better.

But most of all you made your own version of the classic.battle.net Mojo Stormstout-guide techtree infographic.

//EDIT// frickin frick. "Pelvis Costello"?????? You absolute madlad. Alright, you win this round.

 

[Wazzz]

Finally!

This goes on the long list of "Things to test out & respond to", but I'd be remiss if I didn't make at least a token post here: I'm very pleased & intrigued by what you've got going on here, based on all our conversations about it's design. Your drive to follow in my footsteps err take my advice err embrace my ethos of designing things based on the campaign/pre-existing game is beyond commendable, and really quite impressive; you've taken things even further than I would've, which is impressive. xD I'll be testing it out, but I'm honestly unsure if I could do it better.

But most of all you made your own version of the classic.battle.net Mojo Stormstout-guide techtree infographic.

//EDIT// frickin frick. "Pelvis Costello"?????? You absolute madlad. Alright, you win this round.

I just can't get into that newfangled style the kids are doing where everything's all about racial abilities and intricate systems changing the gameplay completely. What happened to good old fashioned values where the effort of those intricate systems was put into making a simple spell like Weaken work, on auto-cast, in a game where Spell Steal exists?

I totally have to update that infographic at some point, but speaking of updates, I think I'll polish things up a bit for a balance update soon (tm). Just a few updates like that, but I doubt I'll finagle too much with balance on this one outside of that, mostly want to make sure it has a fun flow to it without getting too OCD about specific match ups.

 

[Kyrbi0]

I just can't get into that newfangled style the kids are doing where everything's all about racial abilities and intricate systems changing the gameplay completely. What happened to good old fashioned values where the effort of those intricate systems was put into making a simple spell like Weaken work, on auto-cast, in a game where Spell Steal exists?

I totally have to update that infographic at some point, but speaking of updates, I think I'll polish things up a bit for a balance update soon (tm). Just a few updates like that, but I doubt I'll finagle too much with balance on this one outside of that, mostly want to make sure it has a fun flow to it without getting too OCD about specific match ups.

Spell Steal was a mistake

 

[WinterSnow]

Corrupted Ancients has everything one could ask for in an evil race. It's got skeletons, demons, skeletons on fire, giant spiders, skeletons on fire while riding giant vultures, sludge monsters, a punny skeleton that summons more skeletons (that aren't on fire)... etc. etc.

Sludge flingers are a super fun unit but it's a pretty strange idea to have a unit that costs you more food after it dies than while it's alive.
I love how you made blightmeld a thing. Shadowdancers could be great for defensive hit and run tactics if only the blight growth for this race wasn't stunted by having it be removed when ancients uproot and having no units/items to spread it across the map. So you'd only be using this ability when the enemy is already in your base or if you want your shadowdancers to hang out in an undead base. If the map allowed for 2v2 it could be useful but without an undead ally this ability is made pointless because of vanish.
Burning archers and the units built in the corrupted ancient of war are designed around hit and run tactics and damage over time effects. Maybe it's just me but I struggled with these units when I wasn't relying on the sludge flinger's sludge ability or the hellcaller's speed aura. With average movement speeds and below average turn rates paired with low health points and armour it feels like you lose out when trading volleys.
For burning archers this is a different story because when they mount up on those oversized vultures they become a much, much better unit. They become flying, gain movement speed, have pretty good regeneration while being off blight, and get tankier. The only real downside to vulture riders is the amount of wood you need to invest before you can even train them and then the extra wood to get their essential ability: burning oil.
Defilers are useful except for their first spell. I wish you added a cast range to mind rot or had it be non-dispellable because you'd have to be a crazy person to order your super squishy support to walk through the enemy army to cast a spell that can just be dispelled immediately afterwards. It's just not worth it.

All the heroes seem a little powerful (espesically you, incinerator!) but you just have to admit they're a joy to play.
I personally loved using the darkener to throw bat soup at the enemy but feels too powerful against the AI. When I used it against insane humans they refused to socially distance their workers and it caused their economy to collapse after my third wave.
The hellcaller is probably the weakest of the heroes but his aura is great and his ultimate, well... his ultimate has no cooldown. That means he can cast it back to back 3 times if he has a mana potion handy. Then you have a whole bunch of heavy-hitting (and spooky) ghosts with magic damage while your enemy has a whole bunch of banished units primed up for a game-ending beat down. Fun when you're the one doing it but I don't think it's as fun when you're on the receiving end.
I also like the similarities in design between the hellcaller's ultimate and the darkener's. Reminds me of the night elves and how tranquility and starfall are similar.

And a special mention for being able to upgrade an item you buy from your shop. Haven't seen that before and while the upgrade itself isn't terribly useful the idea is pretty grand.

Seeing that this race has quite a bit of micro-heavy units and a fairly wide array of debuffs and summons. Add in that it has no AoE dispel (seriously, that's even worse than undead) and their only unit that can dispel being pretty unreliable I can see mirror matches being a magnificently chaotic, but enjoyable, mess.

Also, some minor bugs I found while playing:

• Shadowdancer and soulstealer share the same hotkey.
• The hotkeys for shadowdancer's abilities are counterintuitive. Weaken's hotkey is 'C', vanish's is 'B', and hallucination shares the same hotkey as hold position.
• Same thing with defiler. Miasma's hotkey is 'C', and blighted weapons is 'F'
• The twisted weapons and skeletal marksmanship upgrades share the same hotkey.
• Strength of corruption's hotkey is 'W'
• Renew says it renews night elf buildings.
• Darkener and hellcaller share the same hotkey as do the skeleton king and incinerator.
• Havoc has the same hotkey as hold position.
• Oil fire looks like slow poison.
• Workers can't be selected when they're building structures.

I also found two fairly major bugs. The first is that when plague treants kill a unit sometimes the corrupted treants that spawn are permanent (no timed life at all) and have the locust ability.

Spoiler: Locust Trees

When I saw that bug I went “oh, gotta check the replay to try and find out why that's happening!” so I quit the game, hit watch replay, then was greeted by this:

Spoiler: Look closely

and now I have to explain to my therapist why I have nightmares of pixelated satyrs snarling at me.

"Corrupted Ancients saved my marriage from falling apart and now our bond is stronger than ever before. Even my career has reached an all-time high! This is truly the GOAT race! 10/10 IGN."

 

[Wazzz]

Corrupted Ancients has everything one could ask for in an evil race. It's got skeletons, demons, skeletons on fire, giant spiders, skeletons on fire while riding giant vultures, sludge monsters, a punny skeleton that summons more skeletons (that aren't on fire)... etc. etc.

Sludge flingers are a super fun unit but it's a pretty strange idea to have a unit that costs you more food after it dies than while it's alive.
I love how you made blightmeld a thing. Shadowdancers could be great for defensive hit and run tactics if only the blight growth for this race wasn't stunted by having it be removed when ancients uproot and having no units/items to spread it across the map. So you'd only be using this ability when the enemy is already in your base or if you want your shadowdancers to hang out in an undead base. If the map allowed for 2v2 it could be useful but without an undead ally this ability is made pointless because of vanish.
Burning archers and the units built in the corrupted ancient of war are designed around hit and run tactics and damage over time effects. Maybe it's just me but I struggled with these units when I wasn't relying on the sludge flinger's sludge ability or the hellcaller's speed aura. With average movement speeds and below average turn rates paired with low health points and armour it feels like you lose out when trading volleys.
For burning archers this is a different story because when they mount up on those oversized vultures they become a much, much better unit. They become flying, gain movement speed, have pretty good regeneration while being off blight, and get tankier. The only real downside to vulture riders is the amount of wood you need to invest before you can even train them and then the extra wood to get their essential ability: burning oil.
Defilers are useful except for their first spell. I wish you added a cast range to mind rot or had it be non-dispellable because you'd have to be a crazy person to order your super squishy support to walk through the enemy army to cast a spell that can just be dispelled immediately afterwards. It's just not worth it.

All the heroes seem a little powerful (espesically you, incinerator!) but you just have to admit they're a joy to play.
I personally loved using the darkener to throw bat soup at the enemy but feels too powerful against the AI. When I used it against insane humans they refused to socially distance their workers and it caused their economy to collapse after my third wave.
The hellcaller is probably the weakest of the heroes but his aura is great and his ultimate, well... his ultimate has no cooldown. That means he can cast it back to back 3 times if he has a mana potion handy. Then you have a whole bunch of heavy-hitting (and spooky) ghosts with magic damage while your enemy has a whole bunch of banished units primed up for a game-ending beat down. Fun when you're the one doing it but I don't think it's as fun when you're on the receiving end.
I also like the similarities in design between the hellcaller's ultimate and the darkener's. Reminds me of the night elves and how tranquility and starfall are similar.

And a special mention for being able to upgrade an item you buy from your shop. Haven't seen that before and while the upgrade itself isn't terribly useful the idea is pretty grand.

Seeing that this race has quite a bit of micro-heavy units and a fairly wide array of debuffs and summons. Add in that it has no AoE dispel (seriously, that's even worse than undead) and their only unit that can dispel being pretty unreliable I can see mirror matches being a magnificently chaotic, but enjoyable, mess.

Also, some minor bugs I found while playing:

• Shadowdancer and soulstealer share the same hotkey.
• The hotkeys for shadowdancer's abilities are counterintuitive. Weaken's hotkey is 'C', vanish's is 'B', and hallucination shares the same hotkey as hold position.
• Same thing with defiler. Miasma's hotkey is 'C', and blighted weapons is 'F'
• The twisted weapons and skeletal marksmanship upgrades share the same hotkey.
• Strength of corruption's hotkey is 'W'
• Renew says it renews night elf buildings.
• Darkener and hellcaller share the same hotkey as do the skeleton king and incinerator.
• Havoc has the same hotkey as hold position.
• Oil fire looks like slow poison.
• Workers can't be selected when they're building structures.

I also found two fairly major bugs. The first is that when plague treants kill a unit sometimes the corrupted treants that spawn are permanent (no timed life at all) and have the locust ability.

Spoiler: Locust Trees

View attachment 390839

When I saw that bug I went “oh, gotta check the replay to try and find out why that's happening!” so I quit the game, hit watch replay, then was greeted by this:

Spoiler: Look closely

View attachment 390840and now I have to explain to my therapist why I have nightmares of pixelated satyrs snarling at me.

"Corrupted Ancients saved my marriage from falling apart and now our bond is stronger than ever before. Even my career has reached an all-time high! This is truly the GOAT race! 10/10 IGN."

I'm very glad you liked it
It does seem there's more than I initially thought that I had to update in a new update. The Hellcaller's ultimate having no cooldown must have been overlooked in playtests since we... often neglected the little guy lol.

Unfortunately some issues may not be readily fixable. For instance, the worker not being selectable while constructing seems to be a combination of using the Orc building method with Night Elf structures - although I may be able to fix that come to think of it, so I'll have a look. The replay issue is one I've not heard of before, and I think this would be due to Tasyen's UI system that I'm using which... admittedly is hilarious to me. I'm not even sure why it's doing that, but damn that's imposing.

I think some of the issues I have so far fixed, such as Oil Fire appearing as Slow Poison (iirc, I neglected to change the buff model on that, and I think I've fixed it but I'll need to double check that. That uh... Corrupted Treant bug, though... I'm going to need to try and figure out what's causing that, that's very very wrong D:

Thanks for such an indepth review, it should give me a clearer view of what needs to be fixed

 

[deepstrasz]

There's no difference between fighter and worker mode. The attack speed and values are the same, health and armour too, movement speed as well.
Fel Spring says it gives 0 values.
Buildings can be built outside blight so does it only impede enemy building on it? Does it heal or give any benefit to satyrs?

Generally nice. Could be a bit more different than Night Elves+Undead.

Approved.

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[Wazzz]

There's no difference between fighter and worker mode. The attack speed and values are the same, health and armour too, movement speed as well.
Fel Spring says it gives 0 values.
Buildings can be built outside blight so does it only impede enemy building on it? Does it heal or give any benefit to satyrs?

Generally nice. Could be a bit more different than Night Elves+Undead.

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The fighter and worker mode for the Satyr adds/removes the worker tag. The functionality there is based purely around the unit classification which, if they have it, they won't auto-acquire targets and they will come up as an idle worker.

I have some dang tooltip issues though

At the moment the Blight serves to regenerate mana on the Defiled Wells, enables regeneration for the Undead components (such as the Burning Archer, Skeleton King (and his summons) and the Darkener), and also allows the Shadowdancer to use "Blightmeld". The Blight also only appears as long as the Corrupted Ancients are rooted, so it's a bit more limited than the Blight the Undead use.

Also the Blight was in the campaign and the race was following the theme of the campaign so I felt it needed to be added in some way or another, which is also where a bit of the Undead + Night Elf feel comes from