1P vs 4C v0.32

[jardasplay]

Even tho it is a very interesting proof of concept, this map unfortunetly is much more difficult than it really needs to be. Even with bonus gold and lumber, is simply isn't quite enough to defeat 4 AI's on such a map. Or atleast I'm not.

When you finally beat the incoming attack wave, another one comes. And another one. Then there's like a minute of calm before the storm. Chimeras and Hippogryphs come, signaling the tide of doom. Or rather, the tide of 400 pop army against my already destroyed base.

Still, it is quite interersting to see, even tho I much preffer the Naga 1v1 map.

 

[SuperMarin]

Even tho it is a very interesting proof of concept, this map unfortunetly is much more difficult than it really needs to be. Even with bonus gold and lumber, is simply isn't quite enough to defeat 4 AI's on such a map. Or atleast I'm not.

When you finally beat the incoming attack wave, another one comes. And another one. Then there's like a minute of calm before the storm. Chimeras and Hippogryphs come, signaling the tide of doom. Or rather, the tide of 400 pop army against my already destroyed base.

Still, it is quite interersting to see, even tho I much preffer the Naga 1v1 map.

Thank you for playing. To be honest, the goal of this map from the start wasn’t to make it beatable, but rather to make it as challenging as possible within reasonable limits. That’s why I’m considering increasing the maximum food capacity for players or implementing an upgrade system.

 

[jardasplay]

Thank you for playing. To be honest, the goal of this map from the start wasn’t to make it beatable, but rather to make it as challenging as possible within reasonable limits. That’s why I’m considering increasing the maximum food capacity for players or implementing an upgrade system.

That is a great idea. Don't be afraid to give the player more advantages like Dragon Roost or an option to get Runes of Fortification.
As much as I'd like to say it's reasonable, that Chimera army is absolutely brutal.

 

[deepstrasz]

So, the idea is fine but pretty non-innovative in terms of gameplay. It's like a melee AI edit. I feel if you want to improve the melee AI, a system rather than a playable map would be a better option.
Simple.

---

If you want more reviews, you should participate in the The Grand Review Exchange!

R U L E S

Site Rules
Map Submission Rules

M A P - D E S C R I P T I O N

Details

BB CODES
BB Codes | HIVE

MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
• Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

M A P - C R E A T I O N - G U I D E S

Details

GENERAL MAPPING
A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact.692/

 

[Blasterixx]

Interesting, it is indeed unrelenting attacks from the enemy AI, they are truly ruthless. Even with bonus resources, 4 armies vs 1 feels impossible. Even if I repel their first attacks, once they reach 50+ food, they just destroy everything

After a few more tries, I eventually reached the limit of the AI though. At the end of the day, they are still AI, and humans will always be better, at least when it comes to Warcraft 3 for now...

I managed to defeat them all. I did it with Orc, and my plan was simple: rush Watch Towers early and create a wall of them since they attack very early with heroes. After that, it gets easier, just hold until you build a huge army yourself and try not to die to their massive mid-game push. It was difficult, but not impossible.

It was pretty funny watching the AI play almost like a human. The way they rush you, the way they cast their abilities before even reaching your base, just like a player would, it was pretty clever. Could you tell me how exactly you built this AI to behave like this? Was it done through triggers, or did you use the editor AI functions?

Other things the AI could improve on: it does not seem to buy items for its heroes, which would make them much stronger. Also, their units suffer from the usual AI behavior where, if one unit starts taking heavy damage, they all go into full retreat mode, even if most of them are still at full HP, especially the heroes. That could be improved so they stay more aggressive and do not retreat just because a few units get damaged or killed quickly.

Anyway, here is the replay if you want to watch it. I had a blast playing this map. It is hardcore, but when you manage to win, it feels amazing haha. Enjoy the replay:

 

[SuperMarin]

So, the idea is fine but pretty non-innovative in terms of gameplay. It's like a melee AI edit. I feel if you want to improve the melee AI, a system rather than a playable map would be a better option.
Simple.

---

If you want more reviews, you should participate in the The Grand Review Exchange!

R U L E S

Site Rules
Map Submission Rules

M A P - D E S C R I P T I O N

Details

BB CODES
BB Codes | HIVE

MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
• Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

M A P - C R E A T I O N - G U I D E S

Details

GENERAL MAPPING
A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact.692/

Thank you for playing! Next time, I'll try adding a few more elements.

Interesting, it is indeed unrelenting attacks from the enemy AI, they are truly ruthless. Even with bonus resources, 4 armies vs 1 feels impossible. Even if I repel their first attacks, once they reach 50+ food, they just destroy everything

After a few more tries, I eventually reached the limit of the AI though. At the end of the day, they are still AI, and humans will always be better, at least when it comes to Warcraft 3 for now...

I managed to defeat them all. I did it with Orc, and my plan was simple: rush Watch Towers early and create a wall of them since they attack very early with heroes. After that, it gets easier, just hold until you build a huge army yourself and try not to die to their massive mid-game push. It was difficult, but not impossible.

It was pretty funny watching the AI play almost like a human. The way they rush you, the way they cast their abilities before even reaching your base, just like a player would, it was pretty clever. Could you tell me how exactly you built this AI to behave like this? Was it done through triggers, or did you use the editor AI functions?

Other things the AI could improve on: it does not seem to buy items for its heroes, which would make them much stronger. Also, their units suffer from the usual AI behavior where, if one unit starts taking heavy damage, they all go into full retreat mode, even if most of them are still at full HP, especially the heroes. That could be improved so they stay more aggressive and do not retreat just because a few units get damaged or killed quickly.

Anyway, here is the replay if you want to watch it. I had a blast playing this map. It is hardcore, but when you manage to win, it feels amazing haha. Enjoy the replay:

Thank you for playing! And I really enjoyed watching the replay.
I also find it frustrating when the AI runs away without even putting up a proper fight. Sometimes, it’s actually advantageous to keep fighting even after all your units have been killed. This is an issue that arises when using the default AI Editor.
The AI hero using skills before reaching the base is likely something that only happens in the very early game. In the absolute early stages, the heroes’ attacks are 100% trigger-based, and at this point, skill activation is also handled via triggers. Any movements after that are controlled by the AI Editor. It seems to be a feature built into the default AI.
In the replay, the Human player used a Gryphon all-in strategy. I’ve also seen the AI Human player use this strategy a few times during my test runs, but honestly, I didn’t feel it was particularly threatening compared to the Night Elf’s Chimera all-in. It definitely seems like it needs some tweaking.