Beyond the Dark Portal (1p/2p)

[tulee]

Edit: I am going to be posting maps 1-12 within the week.
I am only taking this out of the map development forum because I am currently using 1.28 to make this map series so that the people below 1.28 can play it, but I myself cannot test it below 1.28 because
A) Version switcher has in the past created huge problems for my warcraft 3 and;
B) I have no friends to play it with me below 1.28, and the key is to test it with 2 players.

So if you are using a patch below 1.28 (especially 1.27), please feel free to play it with a friend and report any possible issues. I am willing to spend time fixing any potential crashes for players on a warcraft 3 version lower than 1.28. As time goes on, however, I am more and more reluctant to make any big changes to the system that might correct any potential pre-1.28 errors, since all the maps are separate, which is why I want to know sooner rather than later any potential issues.

Basically editing these maps on 1.28 is an annoyance, so I want to make sure that the reason I am not making it on 1.29 ( for compatibility for players on older versions of warcraft 3 ) is justified. Alternatively, if it is impossible to fix any potential crashes that occur for pre-1.28 users, I also want to know this, because then I can just forget 1.28 and move completely to 1.29 if that is the case.

Edit1: Please do not take my lack of responding to people as rudeness; life/work ensures that I rarely check my alerts with the exception of inbox.

Edit2: Using a placeholder ("Bootybay") for map8 due to an issue, will replace it later.

Edit3: Posting the codes for the former broken save system on post #75. Will be removing them after 1 month.

 

[MrStormyZ]

Very interesting
Please do update it with the Makemehost bots

going to give it a try very soon

 

[manless man]

guys can somebody provide me with a warcraft 3 frozen throne version 1.27 ? cause i don't know how

 

[Lenneth]

hi, I've tried with patch 1.29 and this doesn't work
The first playable map seems to be the third one: i can see the mini map and the icon of the heroes but the main screen stays black and I can't do anything

 

[tulee]

hi, I've tried with patch 1.29 and this doesn't work
The first playable map seems to be the third one: i can see the mini map and the icon of the heroes but the main screen stays black and I can't do anything

I am surprised that you cannot play the map even though I made a specific guide on how to play it. When I said it might not work, I was referring to 1.27, which is why I want help from people on 1.27 to see if it works so I can fix compatibility issues. Of course it works on 1.28 and 1.29 +, I made it on 1.28 and tested on 1.29.


Go into the map.

Type -new 2 times, which the prompts specifically instruct you to do if you do not have a load code. Then choose difficulty, I suggest -easy

Then it begins the opening cinematic.
I am going to sleep soon so I hope you can follow these instructions.

Screenshots

Edit1: I did not mean to be rude. Sorry. Hope the screenshots help.

 

[Lenneth]

thank you for your enlightment
i'm not very familiar with custom maps and I guess I didn't pay attention to your instructions
I'll give you some feedbacks later
have a good night

 

[tulee]

thank you for your enlightment
i'm not very familiar with custom maps and I guess I didn't pay attention to your instructions
I'll give you some feedbacks later
have a good night

It is not your fault-- I was/am in a grumpy mood.

 

[Lenneth]

I played map 3 on normal and once you get used to the orcs models and your heroes abilities it isn't too challenging, I only struggled to defeat the final boss.

I'll share here my gameplay experience:
- Overall I think siege weapons are too OP, it's very easy to push into ennemies bases mostly when the AI isn't online.
- Also, if ennemies bases are already destroyed there's a bunch of peons who spawn and start rebuilding when the timer runs out; I found that pointless as most of the players will take the goldmine and can easily prevent them to do it.
- Speaking of the goldmine, they don't appear on the minimap (ie there's no yellow point)
- The map terrain was OK but not great
- It was nice adding some voices and building models from the extension of WCII
- I liked the custom health bars
- The purpose of some items remains unknown (I collected 2 items to make fire and nothing happened or I didn't figure it out) but maybe they will be useful later.

Anyway this campaign looks promising and I'll continue my playthrough when there will be a full release.

 

[Thunder1]

i cant see the ending cinematic when i playend on insane mode

 

[lichao001486]

I can not find Beyond the Dark Portal 08. Is it not be uploaded?

 

[cleavinghammer]

I'm missing map 8.
You should put "Narrator" instead of the author's names.
Maybe break up the infodump cutscenes, it makes it easier to remember what's going on.

Map 1:
The part with the Mok'Nathal is kind of awkward since he wasn't anywhere near the warlocks yelling at him. Maybe make the warlocks move faster?
Reforged Alliance is an orc player.
No skybox.

Map 2:
complatency -> complacency
One of the stags ends up on the lower level at the end of the scene.
The black mask is on-camera in some panning shots.
Turalyon's pause should be marked with "...", otherwise it looks like a line wasn't written in.
encourging -> encouraging
No skybox.

Fracticious -> fractious
mourne -> mourn
"over Draenor" -> "of Draenor"
"surveillance incompetence" -> "incompetent surveillance"
"have possession of" -> "possess"
"the the Horde"
... Oh come on, Rexxar wasn't the false flag type, was he? Also, his aura is weaker than Endurance Aura's boosts.

 

[tulee]

I'm missing map 8.
You should put "Narrator" instead of the author's names.
Maybe break up the infodump cutscenes, it makes it easier to remember what's going on.

Map 1:
The part with the Mok'Nathal is kind of awkward since he wasn't anywhere near the warlocks yelling at him. Maybe make the warlocks move faster?
Reforged Alliance is an orc player.
No skybox.

Map 2:
complatency -> complacency
One of the stags ends up on the lower level at the end of the scene.
The black mask is on-camera in some panning shots.
Turalyon's pause should be marked with "...", otherwise it looks like a line wasn't written in.
encourging -> encouraging
No skybox.

Fracticious -> fractious
mourne -> mourn
"over Draenor" -> "of Draenor"
"surveillance incompetence" -> "incompetent surveillance"
"have possession of" -> "possess"
"the the Horde"
... Oh come on, Rexxar wasn't the false flag type, was he? Also, his aura is weaker than Endurance Aura's boosts.

Excellent feedback! I played these missions so many times and missed much of what you caught on your first try.

Map1
The part where rexxar was far in front was less about him blocking the warlocks, and more about them just disliking "halfbreeds", so they just wanted him to move aside despite him not being in their way.
Will fix reforged alliance being an orc.
By skybox you mean for the 2nd part on the seashore? I was trying to make it "night time" on purpose so as to emphasise the lantern doodads and the bonfire doodad at the orc camp.

Map2
Never knew that was the spelling of complacency. Will fix.
I will block the stag from moving.
Will add the "..." to Turalyon's non speaking line
Will fix encouraging.
For the skybox, I do not think it even shows the sky for the first scene, for the second scene it is inside the cathedral and it cannot have a skybox, for the final scene I didn't want a skybox to negate the effect of the leaves falling- the black background emphasised the leaves.

Quick question- Where did you see black mask? Just wanted to ask while it is still in your memory, if it is for the final scene it is less important since i suppose the black background means it is nighttime anyway.

Map3
Will fix fractious and mourn spelling.
Need to open editor to check what "of draenor" was referring to.
Will fix the order of "incompetent surveillance".
Have possession of doesn't seem wrong to me, just a more wordy way of saying it.

Will fix "the the horde"

I needed rexxar to say what he did because I couldn't have them just casually agreeing to take on the entire bone chewer clan without emphasis on how they could easily be wiped out.

 

[cleavinghammer]

The mask is towards the end of the Nethergarde meeting as the camera is panning around, it's the same effect as zooming too far out in the editor. While I'm at it, the fortress looks kinda empty. Maybe have a bunch of units patrolling, workers building things if it's still under construction...

Map 3: I only just started, but it looks to me like Rexxar is planning to murder the chieftain's brother and make it look like the Bonechewers did it. Hence false flag.

So is map 8 not being included a bug or not?

 

[tulee]

The mask is towards the end of the Nethergarde meeting as the camera is panning around, it's the same effect as zooming too far out in the editor. While I'm at it, the fortress looks kinda empty. Maybe have a bunch of units patrolling, workers building things if it's still under construction...

Map 3: I only just started, but it looks to me like Rexxar is planning to murder the chieftain's brother and make it look like the Bonechewers did it. Hence false flag.

So is map 8 not being included a bug or not?

Oh that is what you meant by false flag. Also, you are particularly clever to catch on to that fact without even completing that side mission.

Ahh, it was the zooming out scene. That is my fault, I will fix it.

It is empty because storywise they just completed building it, and the leaders were meeting to examine what their taxes had gone to paying. In mission 11, you play in it with it being filled with units/buildings since by then enough time has passed since its construction to justify having stuff in it.

Map 8 I intentionally put a place holder since there is an issue with the ending cinematic. I will upload it back, along with map 12 as soon as possible. But map 08 is a bonus mission, and you can skip it for now. You will find in mission 6 how to unlock it once it is uploaded.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Well yeah, but... The Warsong is supposedly being beaten because they alone refuse to use underhanded tactics, and Rexxar joined them because of that attitude, and then... this. If the brother is shown to be an asshole or something, but Rexxar, Mr. champion-of-the-good-guys-horde, murdering a defenseless and sick orc and putting the blame on someone else?
Not that it matters, because the sidequest is unfinished: the area marked as the third bonechewer's location is unreachable, and revealing the map shows no one there (there are a few tauren hanging around for some reason though).

The Thunderlords try to attack Grom on sight.
When using Rexxar's axethrow on 50/80 food, the upkeep message dings. Maybe make the illusion Rexxar cost 0 food.
There should a message saying X base is aware of your presence once their timer runs out (and maybe an insult/threat from that base's hero).
On single player, gold from Grom's kills should be given to the player.
Graphic bug:
* If Grom dies during his charge ability, his body stays there for a short while before playing the normal dying animation.
* The ramp west of the ogres has two black bands on either side.
Gold mines don't shop up on the minimap.
The Waygate at the south of the base leads to the same place.

Bow made of stone wouldn't work at all, maybe use Hunting Bows as the upgrade name.

 

[tulee]

Well yeah, but... The Warsong is supposedly being beaten because they alone refuse to use underhanded tactics, and Rexxar joined them because of that attitude, and then... this. If the brother is shown to be an asshole or something, but Rexxar, Mr. champion-of-the-good-guys-horde, murdering a defenseless and sick orc and putting the blame on someone else?
Not that it matters, because the sidequest is unfinished: the area marked as the third bonechewer's location is unreachable, and revealing the map shows no one there (there are a few tauren hanging around for some reason though).

The Thunderlords try to attack Grom on sight.
When using Rexxar's axethrow on 50/80 food, the upkeep message dings. Maybe make the illusion Rexxar cost 0 food.
There should a message saying X base is aware of your presence once their timer runs out (and maybe an insult/threat from that base's hero).
On single player, gold from Grom's kills should be given to the player.
Graphic bug:
* If Grom dies during his charge ability, his body stays there for a short while before playing the normal dying animation.
* The ramp west of the ogres has two black bands on either side.
Gold mines don't shop up on the minimap.
The Waygate at the south of the base leads to the same place.

What do you mean the area marked as the third is unreachable? There are only 2 warlords you need to kill for the armour/weapon. You can reach them via the invis potions (hint also reminds of this). I will remove the tauren lol.

I forgot that grom might go near the thunderlord's before the quest is completed. Will fix

Rexxar's spell is actually very complicated and I have tried looking into it before *regarding the food ding*.
I was considering making it make a message once the timer runs out, but I thought they would instantly attack so players would know.

Grom's graphic bug if dying during charge is really hard to fix because of the spell code.

I did not think gold mines needed to be shown on minimap, I will look into it.

The waygate in the south needs you to complete the puzzle to activate it,

Not sure what you mean by "two black bands", I will look over that area, but do you mean units or some kind of graphical error?


Rexxar is not a nice guy.
Edit: I just realized what you said about the Warsong being weak because not using underhanded tactics. I just realized how silly that is of me to use Rexxar doing that ha-ha.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Lieutenants: The area north of the western Bonechewer is revealed in the fog, I thought that meant there was another one there.
The Bonechewer items should use their own models instead of the generic treasure chest, and Bortok's corpse should remain undecomposed until Fenris gets there.
Wow. And now the dude who needs summoned beasts to survive is looking down on those who need help. Look, Im'ma call this guy Raxxer from now on or my brain will snap.

Water Lord? That's a... weird name, but OK.

Bases: The bases send an attack wave, but you're not immediately aware of it. Plus it's always motivating to kill them when they insult you.

Waygate: Not sure what the puzzle is, I found flint, tinder and fire but they don't do anything when brought to the gate.

Ramp: As in, the ramp has black bands on either side instead of the terrain texture.

Second goblin cutscene (there was another one but it went by too fast):
tight demand -> high demand
fullproof -> foolproof

 

[tulee]

The puzzle for the items are south of the Arakkoa base. You can complete the puzzle on easy/normal, but when you do it will give a warning that only playing mode will allow you to use the waygate itself.

I will add lines for when the bases become active.

Waterlord is because of his spell set.

I will check the fog area you mentioned.

I will check for the third problem in the second goblin cutscene.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Map 4:
Loading screen: nubulous -> nebulous
Intro cutscene:
dalaran -> Dalaran
Maybe add more troops to the humans and kill one off every so often during the cutscene, it gets ridiculous to see 5 footmen holding against the attack during a very long conversation.
Terrain is kind of flat and some areas have big chunks of the same tile.

 

[tulee]

That is very upsetting that I spelled nebulous wrong. Fixing the loading screens is complicated since I import them in 4 pieces, but i will fix it.
Will fix "dalaran" to capitals.

I can make the terrain less flat and add different tiles--- I did not initially since it was not a playable area, but I will go back and change it.
The human troops thing is complicated, since the exact number of them + their positions keep the red AI orcs in place. Yea, I know it looks stupid when 4 footmen are holding off the entire horde + grom/rexxar ha-ha.
As to your point about "endurance aura" being weaker than normal, I minimized it since grom becomes too powerful with his artifact items (lifesteal/critical strike) in combination with his agility boost.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Maybe play the sounds of the humans (and an orc) dying during the cutscene, even if you don't see them.

 

[tulee]

Good idea! I will implement that.

Edit1/ 11th August: I made all of the relevant changes you listed cleave for maps 1-3. My net is having issues right now, I will upload the revisions as soon as internet is stable.

Edit2: Maps1-3 revisions uploaded.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Map 4:

Thorny Creepling needs a better name, since they don't look thorny (and I'm not sure what you mean by Creepling). And need either shorter range or a visible projectile attack.
Side Quest: Hinderance -> Hindrance
Fungovor -> Fungivore maybe?
Needs more healing runes.
Troll cutscene: encampent -> encampment
Danath's strength bonus should be in green, so you can tell how much is left.
Storm Pulse doesn't hit everything in the AoE.
You changed the troll hero's name, not the list of names (so he shows up as Zul'rajas the level 1 Jo Jo Headshrinker).

As a general note: you should really break up cutscenes into smaller parts, especially the ones with large amounts of text where the scene suddenly moves with no relation to the text.

 

[tulee]

Map 4:

Thorny Creepling needs a better name, since they don't look thorny (and I'm not sure what you mean by Creepling). And need either shorter range or a visible projectile attack.
Side Quest: Hinderance -> Hindrance
Fungovor -> Fungivore maybe?
Needs more healing runes.
Troll cutscene: encampent -> encampment
Danath's strength bonus should be in green, so you can tell how much is left.
Storm Pulse doesn't hit everything in the AoE.
You changed the troll hero's name, not the list of names (so he shows up as Zul'rajas the level 1 Jo Jo Headshrinker).

As a general note: you should really break up cutscenes into smaller parts, especially the ones with large amounts of text where the scene suddenly moves with no relation to the text.

Will fix hinderance spelling.
Fungovor was used as homage to the creator of the model since that was the name he gave. Though fungivore sounds fun also.
Regarding healing runes, can I ask which difficulty you are playing?
Will fix "emcampament"
If I play with Danath's strength spell, the spell might just stop working- once I get better at World editor I can look into it.
Stormpulse can only hit a maxdimum of 3 units. Also the thorny creepers might be immune to his spell.
I will change the name of the troll.
Cutscenes are the entirety of my campaign- it was originally supossed to just be 5 hour + cinematic. It is hard to change the layout of the cutscenes---each map has approx 17 mins of cinematics, so splitting them up would be really hard. In later missions, I manage it better, these first two (map03 and 04) were my first playable ones, they were not planned well. I do however give huge reading time for reading cinematics, so hopefully it is ok.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Normal Difficulty. It gets a bit easier after Danath gets his second level, but most of the time both heroes are in the yellow or red. Speaking of which, your cast list up there lists Danath as Falric.

Cutscenes: Maybe not split them into smaller cutscenes if it's that hard (although the Rexxar infodump could be better), but have some more camera motion. Once you've read the text there's nothing to do but wait.

 

[tulee]

Danath's passive is the key - it allows you to take life, but not pay for it (if you rest while it is dropping in str).

The start part is the hardest, after the orc base it is better.

Fixing "Falric" now.

The Rexxar info at start was a big mistake in hindsight- it never happens again in the future. The issue with camera is that in some of the maps where the terrain/map is very compact, if I move it too much it will accidentally show other parts of the map I don't want seen. But in future versions a lot of those issues are lessened since I knew more about cinematics in playable missions.

Also cleave- can you screenshot your hero's experience after before game ends? They are supposed to hit the mission level cap - level 5 - but I realized I calculated the insane boss into that. It would help a lot if I knew at approximately how much XP the heroes are away from level 5 so I can change the XP rate.

 

[closedboudy]

i dont know about if anybody said this but whenever i host the game to play it says "map too big to use choose another map" v1.6 btw
also maybe name 1 and 2 cinematic 1/cinematic 2 just in case somebody knows the story and only wants the gameplay

 

[closedboudy]

nvm just looked up how to use version switcher and it worked now i can play

 

[Daffa]

Wait what? Booty Bay?

 

[deepstrasz]

Wait what? Booty Bay?

It's a placeholder. I think he mentioned about it in the first/reserved post. I hate it when people do that. Why not use the actual map description. That's what people should read in the first place.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Map 4:

Jo Jo's home is called Furbolg Hut.
Infiltration: It's creative (I was expecting something involving sneaking around bushes and moving when guards had their backs turned), but a lot of it makes no sense.
Also, why doesn't Kurdran get an inventory slot? It's also not much of a two-player section.
* How did they free the goblin as frogs, and how does he know it's them in the first place?
* How did they use the pick on the column as frogs (and what's a support column doing not supporting anything)?
* Why is someone's lunch behind a forcefield?
* How does Lokka smell her lunch from where she is?
* How do the guards see the fight from halfway across the camp? They also don't actually break up the fight.
The part just north of the cave entrance has an invisible wall, leaving a tiny "NAGA SHIP" visible.
Awww, who's a cute widdle gangster leader.
The ship is visibly smaller than the frogs.
The cutscene text length kind of destroys any drama. I mean, they start running and the gangsters just sit there watching them before going "get them!"
There's no music playing during Sky'ree's running jump.
After the cutscene, the ship is named "NAGA SHIP NUM 3".
Danath doesn't reply anything to Kurdran.
Gate breaks instead of opening.
Stepping on the CoP near the rolling stone door does nothing, not even an "Insane difficulty only" message. I never got the tree to do anything, if it's part of the puzzle.

Bandit cutscene:
* pityfully -> pitifully
* gyphon -> gryphon
* Liutenant -> Lieutenant
* Swindler isn't a good name for a combat unit.
Oh goody, the anarchist is an aristocrat.
Unethical Bastion is not a good name for a building. Same for Shaft Shooter (especially when the model is clearly using cannons).
Terrain bug on the ramp leading to the arena.
Again, have some of the humans and orcs die during the battle.
Both heroes at level 5 and 1429 experience at the end of the level.

 

[tulee]

Map 4:

Jo Jo's home is called Furbolg Hut.
Infiltration: It's creative (I was expecting something involving sneaking around bushes and moving when guards had their backs turned), but a lot of it makes no sense.
Also, why doesn't Kurdran get an inventory slot? It's also not much of a two-player section.
* How did they free the goblin as frogs, and how does he know it's them in the first place?
* How did they use the pick on the column as frogs (and what's a support column doing not supporting anything)?
* Why is someone's lunch behind a forcefield?
* How does Lokka smell her lunch from where she is?
* How do the guards see the fight from halfway across the camp? They also don't actually break up the fight.
The part just north of the cave entrance has an invisible wall, leaving a tiny "NAGA SHIP" visible.
Awww, who's a cute widdle gangster leader.
The ship is visibly smaller than the frogs.
The cutscene text length kind of destroys any drama. I mean, they start running and the gangsters just sit there watching them before going "get them!"
There's no music playing during Sky'ree's running jump.
After the cutscene, the ship is named "NAGA SHIP NUM 3".
Danath doesn't reply anything to Kurdran.
Gate breaks instead of opening.
Stepping on the CoP near the rolling stone door does nothing, not even an "Insane difficulty only" message. I never got the tree to do anything, if it's part of the puzzle.

Bandit cutscene:
* pityfully -> pitifully
* gyphon -> gryphon
* Liutenant -> Lieutenant
* Swindler isn't a good name for a combat unit.
Oh goody, the anarchist is an aristocrat.
Unethical Bastion is not a good name for a building. Same for Shaft Shooter (especially when the model is clearly using cannons).
Terrain bug on the ramp leading to the arena.
Again, have some of the humans and orcs die during the battle.
Both heroes at level 5 and 1429 experience at the end of the level.

Will change furbolg hut to troll hut.
Goblins have the special ability to know frogs are not real frogs. Ha-ha.
It was a tiny pick so the frogs could use it.
Forcefield is needed to stop other orcs from stealing it, she knew the lunch was taken because it is within seeing distance---the frog's slow movement speed makes the area seem bigger than it is.
Guards don't break up the fight, they just run over to watch and see who dies
Will fix all the names of the boats.
Cutscene length is standardised across every single mission and the same length sentences all have their own exact time which I chose before even making the maps, so it will probably stay even if it makes dramatic moments seem silly.
Music is an issue for maps 03 and 04, I based triggers on the exact lengths of cinematic and cannot really change those, from 06 onwards, all playable maps do not change music when a cinematic begins/ends---rather, each "zone" has its own music so it doesn't have these issues of stopping during cinematics.
Dante not meant to reply- kurdran is warning him.
I will change gate breaking to opening.
The puzzle for this mission starts with the destroyer (timmy).
Will fix "pitifully", "gryphon" and "lieutenant".
Swindler is not a terrible name in my opinion, unethical bastion is not too bad either--- they are non playable races ( only as allies or enemies ), so the standard is lower.
Shaft shooter is based on the arrow tower, but I can check it.
Terrain shouldn't matter on the ramp, since it cannot be accessed anyway, only seen during cutscene (unless you mean there is a bug during the cinematic).
Good to know they both have level 5.

 

[cleavinghammer]

If the guards aren't going to break up the fight they shouldn't be saying "break it up". Taking bets maybe.

No, the hole in the terrain is visible after the cutscene, even if there's no reason to go there.

A swindler is a con artist who tricks you out of your money, rather than attacking you for it. Unethical Bastion is saying the building itself is unethical, which is like saying that a table is grumpy or a road is honest.

 

[tulee]

If the guards aren't going to break up the fight they shouldn't be saying "break it up". Taking bets maybe.

No, the hole in the terrain is visible after the cutscene, even if there's no reason to go there.

A swindler is a con artist who tricks you out of your money, rather than attacking you for it. Unethical Bastion is saying the building itself is unethical, which is like saying that a table is grumpy or a road is honest.

Ok I will have a look at the hole.
I don't want to focus too much on what the orcs do after the fight starts since the frogs are meant to go into the cave and not watch them fight to the death.

All the bandit names were based on a thesaurus entry for the word "sneaky" I think, so some might not be good, but the issue is unless there is something glaringly wrong, I would rather not change object data since I would need to do it for every map with them, and for the bandits especially they are the most important non-playable race in the campaign.

Also all the bandit upgrades have "unethical XXX" like "unethical swords, unethical gunpowder etc, so I would rather keep the unethical bastion's name (I see your point about describing an inanimate object with emotions is incorrect, but I have gotten so use to the names while testing the maps that over time I guess they all seem normal/perfect to me).

 

[cleavinghammer]

Map 4:
Teron is invisible in the first part of the cinematic.
Fighter is called Warrior.
throw in disarray -> thrown in disarray
in one year ago -> a year ago
in Draenor -> on Draenor
wrestle -> wrest
the the Dark Portal -> the Dark Portal
Why no water in the miniature map part?

 

[tulee]

Map 4:
Teron is invisible in the first part of the cinematic.
Fighter is called Warrior.
throw in disarray -> thrown in disarray
in one year ago -> a year ago
in Draenor -> on Draenor
wrestle -> wrest
the the Dark Portal -> the Dark Portal
Why no water in the miniature map part?

Map05*
I apologise for the invisible Teron at the start--- I was told his model was bugging in terms of his entire scarf turning red in the latest versions, so I changed the models in all the maps for him before uploading to Ujimasa Hojo's 1.29 updated model. I forgot in this map I use 3 heroes for Teron. Will fix.
Will change to "fighter".
I think it should be "throw into disarray" but I will check.
Will change to "a year ago/ one year ago"
I don't remember where "wrestle" was, but I think wrestle seems fine (I think it was to wrestle with something, like the past) But I will check it again.
Will remove double "the".
The lack of water was me being too new to tile sets--- I set it to 'Outland', and there is no water for outland tile set, and I didn't want to change the entire tile sets back and have to redo the terrain. Hope it was not too big of an issue.

Anyway, this map is probably my favourite of all the cinematic simple because of how much it foreshadows the future/the general atmosphere of the horde.

I also added you to the special thanks tab on the map description.
Also cleave, if you do get up to map 11 can you not play it? I have made a decision to unlock all cinematic that are only accessible to players on insane mode regarding the optional bosses for missions since I want everyone to be able to see all cinematic regardless of difficulty. I can send you a revised version of map 11 so you don't miss a cinematic that in previous versions was only accessible to insane-difficulty players.

 

[cleavinghammer]

The phrase was "wrest control of".
It just looks odd to have islands in infinite blackness. Maybe you could use the water doodad.
I thought this one was well-done too (although the part where Grom attacks a plant for no reason was weird), I found myself rooting for Teron because of the way he's planning this heist. Someone should write a fic where the Horde actually asks the Alliance to use their artifacts so the Horde can move to a different world and leave the humans alone.

I was considering going back to the first two and doing them on insane (I've already started the Stormwind one on insane).

 

[tulee]

Ok I will check for the phrase through the log and change it (wrest).

Water doodad is an issue, not only because how many I would need, but because the black area is actually empty, so the "ships" are all flying units, and the doodads cannot be placed over "nothing" regions (I could be wrong).

Him attacking gate flower was out of surprise ha-ha.

Cleave, none of the past missions have cinematics specially for insane. The only ones that had them was where the "insane optional boss" was somehow connected to the plot, so I needed a cinematic for it. I changed it for map10 before I posted them (though I changed the order so everyone can fight the "optional boss" for that mission, its just that they won't get artefact items. But for map11 I did not change it due to it being heavily connected to the story, but I decided I didn't want the campaign to be exclusive /unfair towards easy/normal difficulty players outside of the artefact items.
The only reason to go back is that you might need to start playing on easy mode later if you do not have artefact items because I base the difficulty on everyone having acquired them.

Teron / Dentarg are the most developed heroes in the campaign, I think you will enjoy their storylines + as the main horde characters they get the most playable missions.

 

[cleavinghammer]

So my computer decided to eat the notepad where I kept all my observations about the 6th mission, so here's some I remember (not yet finished):

Intro cutscene:
* news. Benson? -> news, Benson?
* that all city guards -> that city guards
* Both guards keep drinking during the scene.
Dentarg's class should be Shadowmoon Archmage (Archmagi is the plural).
Dentarg doesn't have enough mana to cast his healing glyph at level 1.
Witch cutscene:
* learnt -> learned
* are no stranger to me -> are no strangers to me
Places with invisible walls should have a message saying why you can't go there yet. For example, "Wait, Glenda's in there and we don't have the ingredients for the potion yet".
Ahhh, love. Was that in the book? If you ever get around to redoing the cutscenes, might I suggest inserting Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet and the Banshee's dying sound as appropriate.
* The dog has a blank text box.
The selection circles for Mounted Bandits and Spear Throwers are too small.
The Worker's infodump triggers when a unit enters the region with the Tricksters just before (and why is the guy, an elf of all things, just volunteering information to orcs without threat of torture or being killed and having the answer ripped from his reanimated body?).
Similarly, the gambling hint triggers when fighting some mounted bandits before the actual gambling area.
Gambling minigame:
* The game should use a less clunky interface (dialogue menu, moving a unit on a CoP, killing a lever...).
* In the final round, entering the wrong color option doesn't do anything.
* Shouldn't it be "shut your lying mouths"?
Crocodile should belong to Wild Animals.
Shaft Shooter model has cannons, it should have its name and projectiles match that.

 

[tulee]

Will fix ", Benson" "that city guards.
Drinking is just a stand animation, it is random.
Did not know Archmagi was plural, will look into it.
I know about the healing spell mana, I need to keep it high because late game the heroes become ridiculously strong.
Will change "learned" " are no strangers to me"
There was a message to bring the items to the circle of power, so that should indicate you cannot go through that area.
I can definitely add the banshee sound, Romeo and Juliet might be harder. That was not in the book ha-ha.
Will change dog blank text
Mounted bandits circle is something I can check, but i don't think it is too small, + it is never a controllable unit.
Spear thrower is meant to be a tiny unit, like a peon.
Worker's info dump being too soon is to prevent the player from walking into the gambling place too soon with the trigger still talking about crocodiles.
Gambling hint is meant to be before the actual gambling place.
Yes i know it is clunky, but cannot do dialogue as it needs to be show to 2 players, and it was easier as text. I added the commands into the f9 incase people missed the command/forgot it.
Final round- you are not allowed to choose the "right answer" or the cinematic makes no sense.
"shut your lying mouths" that is clever, will change.
Crocodile is domesticated.
I know it had cannons, I made a mistake when choosing the model. But the Orc tech tree already had a cannon type tower, I really don;t want the bandits one to get changed to a cannon. Plus, most people will not even see those cannons, they will see the guard tower model and assume its a guard tower.

 

[deepstrasz]

Did not know Archmagi was plural, will look into it.

Magi is the plural of magus, not mage (for the latter it's mages).

 

[cleavinghammer]

Isn't there a way to limit what animation plays though? I mean, imagine "Hear the news? We're forbidden from *glugglugglug* drinking on duty now!"
I put a unit there before getting the items and didn't get a message, just the guy standing in place.
Yeah, but there should be a less obvious way of rigging it. Like, if you put actually type [winning color], you get an extra message like: "You're betting on [winning color], Teron? Seriously? We'll bet on [losing color]. It's obvious who's going to win, [winner] doesn't stand a chance." -> battle plays out, "There, see, Teron? The item is as good as ours once [winner] gets ki-" -> play cutscene as-is.
About the quest: it says -roundXcolor, does -round2color or -round4color work?

 

[tulee]

Magi is the plural of magus, not mage (for the latter it's mages).

Ah, I see.

Isn't there a way to limit what animation plays though? I mean, imagine "Hear the news? We're forbidden from *glugglugglug* drinking on duty now!"
I put a unit there before getting the items and didn't get a message, just the guy standing in place.
Yeah, but there should be a less obvious way of rigging it. Like, if you put actually type [winning color], you get an extra message like: "You're betting on [winning color], Teron? Seriously? We'll bet on [losing color]. It's obvious who's going to win, [winner] doesn't stand a chance." -> battle plays out, "There, see, Teron? The item is as good as ours once [winner] gets ki-" -> play cutscene as-is.
About the quest: it says -roundXcolor, does -round2color or -round4color work?

There probably is, but it might need custom script to control stand animations.
The message i think was either a hint or in the quest log, but I can check.
The way I rigged it was the easiest way possible ha-ha. -roundxcolour won't work, you need replace the word "colour" with the actual colour (yellow/oj).

 

[cleavinghammer]

No, I mean do numbers work or do you actually have to type one, three, six...

 

[tulee]

Not numbers, need to type the full words "one, two" etc.

 

[cleavinghammer]

You might want to change the way it's written in the quest.

 

[tulee]

I will have a look, its been a while since I have looked over map06, so I might have forgotten some of the stuff I did.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Map 6:
Quest: Eradicate the Protectors
Not sure about the whole thesaurus-naming thing you're doing here. Really, Lumber Mill is just as good a name as Timber Processor. Similarly, Sanctorium -> Sanctum, Repository -> Storehouse, and presumably the human town hall is meant to be Manor and not Manner. Also, why is the teal base undefended?
Cutscene: himself/herself -> himself. Unless ogres have other body parts that come in pairs, and that is a thought I truly to not want to dwell on.
Ending cutscene: Perenholde -> Perenolde
Lot of empty space in this map.

I have to say, thus far I'm really not seeing the point of making these maps two-player. If the RTS sections had two bases to control or the dungeon sections needed simultaneous action on the parts of the heroes, maybe, but so far all the extra triggers needed to save and load heroes just seem to vastly complicate things compared to a regular campaign.

 

[tulee]

Map 6:
Quest: Eradicate the Protectors
Not sure about the whole thesaurus-naming thing you're doing here. Really, Lumber Mill is just as good a name as Timber Processor. Similarly, Sanctorium -> Sanctum, Repository -> Storehouse, and presumably the human town hall is meant to be Manor and not Manner. Also, why is the teal base undefended?
Cutscene: himself/herself -> himself. Unless ogres have other body parts that come in pairs, and that is a thought I truly to not want to dwell on.
Ending cutscene: Perenholde -> Perenolde
Lot of empty space in this map.

I have to say, thus far I'm really not seeing the point of making these maps two-player. If the RTS sections had two bases to control or the dungeon sections needed simultaneous action on the parts of the heroes, maybe, but so far all the extra triggers needed to save and load heroes just seem to vastly complicate things compared to a regular campaign.

Will change "Eradicate the Protectors"
"Manor"
Teal's base is just to show you what is to come.
I use himself/hehrself to because it is a general thing, I cannot just limit it to males, and its not talking about dentarg himself.
"Perenolde"
I couldn't reduce the size because it needs to be proportional by 8.
I made it 2p so friends could play it!