Music Contest #1 - Races

[Panda]

WIP 2
Added some bass and rhythmic beats, extended the song.
Maybe now it will be easier to guess what race I'm thinking of...
(Hint: Some dont even classify them as "creatures".)

Awesome work, and yes it seems like something fairy like.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

yeah, i was thinking elementals.

And about the bass, i just can't seem to make piano... i don't know, louder, so it is the primary melody.

And at some points the guitar is supposed to be leading, but i can't calibrate it for when it's only background.

Well it really depends on what program your using. For anything, you could adjust the EQ to lower the Bass parts and increase the High and Medium parts then adjust the volumes of the individual tracks accordingly (Like increasing the volume of the Bass where it needs to be).

 

[Drenferalis]

Thanks for the reviews, wont be adding any updates tonight, I will be working on my new map: The Endless War

 

[Fanny.Shaver]

3rd of March is pretty long in my opinion, I might as well forget about the contest soon...

 

[DudeSpirit]

The date is just fine for me..
I'm about halfway on my track, trying to record the acoustic stuff.

 

[light bolt30]

Woot goodluck to all the contestants, hope you come up with something epic!

 

[Joss]

Hmmm...

I was wondering if I could use an online music synthisizer (noteflight.com) as it is much more convenient for me while I'm on the go, and is much easier to use. The learning curve is minimal and access to it is completely free. Instead of a file, I could simply paste the URL in my submission post.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Hmmm...

I was wondering if I could use an online music synthisizer (noteflight.com) as it is much more convenient for me while I'm on the go, and is much easier to use. The learning curve is minimal and access to it is completely free. Instead of a file, I could simply paste the URL in my submission post.

Is there anyway you could convert it to a file? Posting the url might be fine (I'll have to think about this) as long as you don't have to join the site to view it. Using the synth is fine though

 

[zzSilentiumzz]

Yeah, finaly a Music Contest I wanna join too :}

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Yeah, finaly a Music Contest I wanna join too :}

Everyone is free to join - if you don't already have a music creation program, check the first post to see some suggestions. Make sure to read the rules so you don't miss anything

 

[Kuhneghetz]

FFFFFUUUUU....Hiveworkshop's attachment system doesn't accept OGG files directly.

Anyway, here's my silly attempt of joining this contest, which is in a very early progess.
I'm not sure what race would fit with this song though.

Tool used: FamiTracker

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Nice old school sound - I'll add famitracker to the list of suggested programs, free and old school sound makes it a great tool for people aiming at that style.

 

[Drenferalis]

FFFFFUUUUU....Hiveworkshop's attachment system doesn't accept OGG files directly.

Anyway, here's my silly attempt of joining this contest, which is in a very early progess.
I'm not sure what race would fit with this song though.

Tool used: FamiTracker

Not bad, see ya at the finish line

 

[JetFangInferno]

after a bit of reading some warcraft lore to find a suitable race, i remembered elementals (which were in the recomended list to begin with, i just didn't notice them ). So I think water elementals are the best race to fit.

Also, since it sounds kinda skyish, i think harpies are a good choice too, even though i prefer water elementals.

Hmm the piano part is nice but the rest sounds fit for a "Glowstick elemental"

 

[NearbyHermit]

Hmmm,I've looked over the race list and most of them share the same theme :

A small help

Human
Dwarves
Blood Elf
Night Elf
Draenei
Elemental
Undead

These races are the ''rationalists'' ,sharing human characteristics and as well as knowledge of magic and both honorable combat method !
Tranquil songs or morale boosting songs are fit for these races.

Orc
Troll
Demon/Eredar
Tauren
Centaur
Ogre
Naga
Tuskarr
Satyr

These races share the same ''tribal'' theme,worship of occult magic,savage battle methods and primitive nonetheless !
Speedy (drumming) songs or slow mysterious songs are fit here.My personal favorite

Dragon
Magnataur
Harpy
Quillboar
Gnoll
Murloc
Furbolg
Kobold
Nerubian

This is the ''wildlife'' of Warcraft !
These races conclude of plain savagery and less magical enhanchments !
From the mighty dragons,the wicked harpy,the thieving gnolls to the silent nerubians !
Songs simply vary from slow to fast,the way I see it.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Human
Dwarves
Blood Elf
Night Elf
Draenei
Elemental
Undead

Well yes but there should definately be a huge difference between the overall Urban Humans and the more rural Night Elf. Also you must agree that a instrument choice is going to vary between races, though a Pan Flute would fit well for Night Elf, it would not fit in with Humans. Just because they share a certain common thing (though I wouldn't exactly call the Undead and Elementals rationalists) doesn't mean their music should sound the same.

Also Nerubian are pretty civilized.

 

[Drenferalis]

Well yes but there should definately be a huge difference between the overall Urban Humans and the more rural Night Elf. Also you must agree that a instrument choice is going to vary between races, though a Pan Flute would fit well for Night Elf, it would not fit in with Humans. Just because they share a certain common thing (though I wouldn't exactly call the Undead and Elementals rationalists) doesn't mean their music should sound the same.

Also Nerubian are pretty civilized.

And elementals don't fit in very well here, the elementals are more of a "chaotic" race, never before have I seen elementals well organized. They are more indistinct and their organizations are in groups of their own separate types. (Fire, Earth, Water, etc.) They can barely take on the standard body format (like humans, elves, etc.) let alone build a city. (They use naturally formed locations such as reefs and volcanic regions.)

Elementals are more of a theme of their own.

 

[Deolrin]

Drenferalis, Elementals are the creations of the Old Gods and they are their lieutenants. Considering they were created from such powerful being and serve them well, I'd say they are at least well organized when going to war. For example, the Fire Lord in WC3, or Ragnaros in WoW. They can talk and according to lore they are generals of Fire Elemental armies(at least Ragnaros is). I'd say they are quite organized, however you're right about not able to build buildings and such.

 

[AIagremm]

Actually elementals dont serve the Old Gods anymore, but if one was freed, he would probably summon some.

Plus elementals are in war with each other usually, each Elemental Lord has his own ways(for example, Neptulon is just evil, but Therazane the Stone Mother is lawful neutral).

Elementals are well organized when they are lead by Old Gods or Elemental Lords, however usually they're pretty chaotic.

Plus it is known that they are able to build - great fortress Sulfuras in Elemental Plane of Fire is home of Ragnaros.

 

[CoBrA b]

1st Draft: 2 Versions

Okay. The first draft of my entry is done. The problem is that I have two versions, which are basically the same, but end at different points.
Version 1, lasting 7 minutes and 33 seconds, brings back the old, soft theme, ending on a long, soft, warm note.
Version 2, lasting 5 minutes and 27 seconds, ends on a triumphant theme, with a bang from the drums.

Anyway, I can't decide which of the two I like more. On the one hand, I like how V1 goes back to softness, while I do find it a bit long. V2, on the other hand, ends with a bang, and seems to be of a pretty good length to me.

Anyway, both versions are located in the attached .zip file. I would like to know, what you, my fellow contestants, and followers of this contest, think. After that, I'll edit the version I choose (hopefully with some of your comments & criticisms in mind) until it sounds as good as I can get it, and make a final submission post.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the first draft of Songs of the Earth Mother!

 

[anarchianbedlam]

:/ i am extremely disappointing in everyone. Hell, ill admit that i dont make music myself, and i "cant possibly imagine how hard it is" but all the same. I am very displeased. ALL IM HEARING IS TECHNO!! I would understand if i were in a nightclub or something, but i for one would never play a game if i had to listen to the bumchickabumchicka thump, of techno-crap every time i try to complete a mission or level in a video game. ESPECIALLY a video game like WC3. The music has to fit the story, the lore, the characters. People often think of video games and movies as moving pictures with dialogue, but without music, there would be no feeling, no emotion.

If you actually LISTEN to the ingame music... NONE of it is techno, no synthesized-sounding notes. No electric keyboard or distorted notes. With the exception of "BishopofDoom's" entry, everything here is very disappointing. Some might be good songs in their own right (at a techno-bar or nightclub) but don't have any business as theme songs for the sort of primitive, magical, medieval, and sometimes bestial races that blizzard has created.

As for BishopofDoom's entry.... i like the violin, but debode was right, the background noises sound terrible, they make me cringe each time i hear the clank of a hammer on an anvil, they are out of sync with the music and much too obtrusive. But when you take away the background noise... you are left with a very simple sounding violin solo. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE the violin, but the violin works better with some backup, violin is like chocolate on deserts, you can add chocolate violin to a lot of deserts and make it better, like cookie bass or milk piano etc. but on its own.. it is just a lump of chocolate violin. Boring.

..... anywho, good luck to the contestants, i cant wait to see more entries...

AND REMEMBER: Dont just try to win this contest.... try to make beautiful music

 

[anarchianbedlam]

Okay, so I had to do it :/

This is far from final, but it's getting there. Since I won't have free time for a week now, so yea...

Work from Qubase+FL, using East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold bundle.

Guess my theme.

her "teaser" song is in the post > http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1446472-post61.html

HEY! IS YOUR THEME BY ANY CHANCE SOMETHING CALLED.... SADLERSONGS?

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/222488

god fucking damnit, i knew it sounded familiar.... i hate to be such a cynical person.... but i sure hope there's an damn good explanation for this... because this song was submitted to newgrounds at "03/20/2009 | 10:31AM EDT" while your post with the song FRAGMENT "teaser" as you call it was submitted MUCH LATER.... " 01-18-2010, 08:09 PM "

...... your day of reckoning has come

i am disapointed in you
( 'ಠ_ಠ)

 

[Fanny.Shaver]

:/ i am extremely disappointing in everyone. Hell, ill admit that i dont make music myself, and i "cant possibly imagine how hard it is" but all the same. I am very displeased. ALL IM HEARING IS TECHNO!! I would understand if i were in a nightclub or something, but i for one would never play a game if i had to listen to the bumchickabumchicka thump, of techno-crap every time i try to complete a mission or level in a video game. ESPECIALLY a video game like WC3. The music has to fit the story, the lore, the characters. People often think of video games and movies as moving pictures with dialogue, but without music, there would be no feeling, no emotion.

If you actually LISTEN to the ingame music... NONE of it is techno, no synthesized-sounding notes. No electric keyboard or distorted notes. With the exception of "BishopofDoom's" entry, everything here is very disappointing. Some might be good songs in their own right (at a techno-bar or nightclub) but don't have any business as theme songs for the sort of primitive, magical, medieval, and sometimes bestial races that blizzard has created.

As for BishopofDoom's entry.... i like the violin, but debode was right, the background noises sound terrible, they make me cringe each time i hear the clank of a hammer on an anvil, they are out of sync with the music and much too obtrusive. But when you take away the background noise... you are left with a very simple sounding violin solo. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE the violin, but the violin works better with some backup, violin is like chocolate on deserts, you can add chocolate violin to a lot of deserts and make it better, like cookie bass or milk piano etc. but on its own.. it is just a lump of chocolate violin. Boring.

..... anywho, good luck to the contestants, i cant wait to see more entries...

AND REMEMBER: Dont just try to win this contest.... try to make beautiful music

@up

You suck. You don't even know what techno is. You and many more retards overthere, you speak of things having no idea about techno and you believe techno is the same as electronic music. Right, here's a little information for you, perhaps you will learn a bit, as you should of before you are posting such a bullshit. Electronic music is the biggest Music catergory. Trance, Techno, Electro, HipHop, Hardstyle etc etc are just it's Genres. For this contest we actually make called ambient sounds (wiki this). You are probably one of those people, who believe that anything done or synthesised on the computer or SSL is "techno". Right, I tell you what, your rock, metal (I assume this is what you listen to Goth) is only recorded on real instruments, rest: Filtering, gating, prompting and Eq is done electronically, so well, wait a second, rock is a techno? I am styding Sound Production and working as a Studio Assistant and I am actually paid for fixing this, what Goths are breaking in their own (completely no electronical as they say) music. According to this what you say, yes, rock is a techno. Use your brain next time before posting bullshit. Also, all the sounds in wc3 were made electronicaly (read for you retard = techno) and sound production will always stay that way. No matter which sound you export from wc3, they are all synthesised, made electronically and aren't techno. To see the difference... Go there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPH-QAkSUzA Sephiroth - Ambient, done electronically (for u techno)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPylM2o6okQ One Night in Hackney - Techno.

I shall tell you a bit more about techno. It's a sub category of Electronic music, with stead rythym of 130-150bmp which can still be extended. Mostly played in steady metrum 4/4. Techno itself uses mostly reversed sounds with nyqiust prompt accord. Nobody posted techno here, sorry.

 

[Azsure]

@up

You suck. You don't even know what techno is. You and many more retards overthere, you speak of things having no idea about techno and you believe techno is the same as electronic music. Right, here's a little information for you, perhaps you will learn a bit, as you should of before you are posting such a bullshit. Electronic music is the biggest Music catergory. Trance, Techno, Electro, HipHop, Hardstyle etc etc are just it's Genres. For this contest we actually make called ambient sounds (wiki this). You are probably one of those people, who believe that anything done or synthesised on the computer or SSL is "techno". Right, I tell you what, your rock, metal (I assume this is what you listen to Goth) is only recorded on real instruments, rest: Filtering, gating, prompting and Eq is done electronically, so well, wait a second, rock is a techno? I am styding Sound Production and working as a Studio Assistant and I am actually paid for fixing this, what Goths are breaking in their own (completely no electronical as they say) music. According to this what you say, yes, rock is a techno. Use your brain next time before posting bullshit. Also, all the sounds in wc3 were made electronicaly (read for you retard = techno) and sound production will always stay that way. No matter which sound you export from wc3, they are all synthesised, made electronically and aren't techno. To see the difference... Go there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPH-QAkSUzA Sephiroth - Ambient, done electronically (for u techno)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPylM2o6okQ One Night in Hackney - Techno.

I shall tell you a bit more about techno. It's a sub category of Electronic music, with stead rythym of 130-150bmp which can still be extended. Mostly played in steady metrum 4/4. Techno itself uses mostly reversed sounds with nyqiust prompt accord. Nobody posted techno here, sorry.

What anarchianbedlam wanted to say is that he want to see more medieval musics than the ones wich sounds like futurist, it wasn't nesessary for you to explain all that stuffs about techno, this was more short and quick.

And stop spaming people! I warn you!

 

[Sephalo]

:/ i am extremely disappointing in everyone. Hell, ill admit that i dont make music myself, and i "cant possibly imagine how hard it is" but all the same. I am very displeased. ALL IM HEARING IS TECHNO!! I would understand if i were in a nightclub or something, but i for one would never play a game if i had to listen to the bumchickabumchicka thump, of techno-crap every time i try to complete a mission or level in a video game. ESPECIALLY a video game like WC3. The music has to fit the story, the lore, the characters. People often think of video games and movies as moving pictures with dialogue, but without music, there would be no feeling, no emotion.

If you actually LISTEN to the ingame music... NONE of it is techno, no synthesized-sounding notes. No electric keyboard or distorted notes. With the exception of "BishopofDoom's" entry, everything here is very disappointing. Some might be good songs in their own right (at a techno-bar or nightclub) but don't have any business as theme songs for the sort of primitive, magical, medieval, and sometimes bestial races that blizzard has created.

As for BishopofDoom's entry.... i like the violin, but debode was right, the background noises sound terrible, they make me cringe each time i hear the clank of a hammer on an anvil, they are out of sync with the music and much too obtrusive. But when you take away the background noise... you are left with a very simple sounding violin solo. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE the violin, but the violin works better with some backup, violin is like chocolate on deserts, you can add chocolate violin to a lot of deserts and make it better, like cookie bass or milk piano etc. but on its own.. it is just a lump of chocolate violin. Boring.

..... anywho, good luck to the contestants, i cant wait to see more entries...

AND REMEMBER: Dont just try to win this contest.... try to make beautiful music

You are so right about that.
I'm in my first grade of one of holland's conservatories and music is my life and the thing spent alot of time on during the day. I'm currently working on a few songs for this contest but I'm too much of a perfectionist to post them here. In my eyes as a musician they suck donkeyballs. I recorded them live on the keyboard with a Cubase soundmodule with good sounds for violins or other instruments. I think this is ofc the best way to compose stuff, however I can imagine people on this site don't have such programs and have to work with 'fake programs' like frutty loops or whatever it is called.
I might come up with something I honestly like soon, but maybe not. I don't want to post something I'm not proud of.

 

[Fanny.Shaver]

@up

Don't say abour Cuebase, he will tell you that you're making techno in a minute.

 

[SeleKinz]

Wow nice idea for the contest...it's brilliant! I would love to be a judge for this contest!

 

[Sephalo]

@up

Don't say abour Cuebase, he will tell you that you're making techno in a minute.

You can make techno in a minute. If you got a littlebit rythm feeling and basic knowledge of a program you can make techno in a minute. It's a common fact. Never wondered why there are no techno educative schools? Because they can't fill 4 year with teaching how to make techno. Not even 1 year possibly.'

The thing with techno is. You're not playing anything, you're copying and pasting other people's work. Means you're not a creater, just a copying other people.

 

[CoBrA b]

:/ i am extremely disappointing in everyone. Hell, ill admit that i dont make music myself, and i "cant possibly imagine how hard it is" but all the same. I am very displeased. ALL IM HEARING IS TECHNO!! I would understand if i were in a nightclub or something, but i for one would never play a game if i had to listen to the bumchickabumchicka thump, of techno-crap every time i try to complete a mission or level in a video game. ESPECIALLY a video game like WC3. The music has to fit the story, the lore, the characters. People often think of video games and movies as moving pictures with dialogue, but without music, there would be no feeling, no emotion.

If you actually LISTEN to the ingame music... NONE of it is techno, no synthesized-sounding notes. No electric keyboard or distorted notes. With the exception of "BishopofDoom's" entry, everything here is very disappointing. Some might be good songs in their own right (at a techno-bar or nightclub) but don't have any business as theme songs for the sort of primitive, magical, medieval, and sometimes bestial races that blizzard has created.

As for BishopofDoom's entry.... i like the violin, but debode was right, the background noises sound terrible, they make me cringe each time i hear the clank of a hammer on an anvil, they are out of sync with the music and much too obtrusive. But when you take away the background noise... you are left with a very simple sounding violin solo. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE the violin, but the violin works better with some backup, violin is like chocolate on deserts, you can add chocolate violin to a lot of deserts and make it better, like cookie bass or milk piano etc. but on its own.. it is just a lump of chocolate violin. Boring.

..... anywho, good luck to the contestants, i cant wait to see more entries...

AND REMEMBER: Dont just try to win this contest.... try to make beautiful music

...Is my song so amazingly boring that you don't even count it as an entry, or is it down with the stuff which is "very disappointing"? If you're going to go on a long, rather insulting rant, I'd suggest you at least address every piece other than BishopofDoom's entry, and why it sucks, individually. There aren't that many. Also, I would like it if you didn't generalize about all the entries. Everything is techno? Okay, I'll admit that lots of the entries so far do have a techno feel to them, but certainly not all of them are techno. I mean, I personally, find that the techno submissions so far are pretty catchy, and, while I'm not really sure if they correspond well to the Warcraft Universe, every piece is open to interpretation. Meanwhile, I on the other hand, have done everything you thought that a contestant in this contest should do. I composed my song with my race (the tauren) in mind, instead of what most people seem to do, which is come up with something, and see which race it most closely fits, but there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Also, I have, as you said, not been trying not to win this contest, but to make beautiful music, and I, personally, thought I did an okay job. But when I ask for critique, when I specifically ask for comments, because I am torn between two versions of my piece, I first get no reply, and then you come in and say that every piece sucks except one which still needs tons of work. Acceptable? Hardly. Now I don't care if you think my piece is the lamest thing ever written for symphonic orchestra. I don't care if you have no experience with classical style, and can't really comment on the nuances of it. I don't care if you think I should start all over from scratch, just SOMEBODY COMMENT ON MY MUSIC!

Now, in order to set a good example, I will be commenting on whatever entries I can find. I will edit my post, to contain my comments, critiques and current ratings. Even though I don't know much about modern-style music, I still know what sounds right to my ear, and what I think a piece should do. I hope that all of you will follow in my example, and individually critique pieces, instead of just skimming through a few, generalizing about them, and saying that they all suck. Also, anarchianbedlam, I'm really sorry if I seemed pissed off. I have great respect for you, and I don't wish to make you mad. I was just really disappointed after I worked, day and night, for several weeks, to finish my first draft, and then all that happens is that I get completely ignored and shoved down to the bottom of the pile.

Review I: Dan van Ohlllus:
Comments: Pretty good so far. I'm not that fond of that particular style of music, but what you did with it was pretty good. I'm eager to see where you take this. If you could add another layer, have it build up a bit, and then quickly release all the built up energy, leading into a soft quiet bit, which leads back into the main theme, ending on that, I think you'd have a pretty damn good composition. I'm not sure about how it fits with WC3. As you said, I'm not sure which race it goes with, but since you haven't specified one, yet, I'm not gonna really downgrade you on that.
The piece: 61/100
How it fits the race: 50/100

Review II: EMPerror
Comments: I like this. It's fun, energetic, and quite catchy. However, I do find it a bit repetitive, and, because of that, a bit on the long side. If it were a less interesting theme, I would find it utterly boring, but you did a great job coming up with a catchy theme. Also, there isn't much development. Of course, you add layers, and they sound pretty good, but still find that the music doesn't really go far enough from its original starting place as I would like. If possible, maybe you could tone down the intro, build up, and them peter off into a quiet, soft interlude which leads back into a loud, explosive rendition of the main them. I'm not sure how this would work, but I think it might add a lot of depth to your piece. As for theme, I'm not really sure how well it fits water elementals. To me this music sounds fast, speedy, and electric, like surfing through the universe on a beam of light. In terms of theme, I might think of this song when I hear someone talking about water elementals, but I probably would not think of water elementals if I heard this song without knowing what it was about.
The piece: 76/100
Theme: 45/100

Thank you for your attention.

 

[Kercyn]

@up

You suck. You don't even know what techno is. You and many more retards overthere, you speak of things having no idea about techno and you believe techno is the same as electronic music. Right, here's a little information for you, perhaps you will learn a bit, as you should of before you are posting such a bullshit. Electronic music is the biggest Music catergory. Trance, Techno, Electro, HipHop, Hardstyle etc etc are just it's Genres. For this contest we actually make called ambient sounds (wiki this). You are probably one of those people, who believe that anything done or synthesised on the computer or SSL is "techno". Right, I tell you what, your rock, metal (I assume this is what you listen to Goth) is only recorded on real instruments, rest: Filtering, gating, prompting and Eq is done electronically, so well, wait a second, rock is a techno? I am styding Sound Production and working as a Studio Assistant and I am actually paid for fixing this, what Goths are breaking in their own (completely no electronical as they say) music. According to this what you say, yes, rock is a techno. Use your brain next time before posting bullshit. Also, all the sounds in wc3 were made electronicaly (read for you retard = techno) and sound production will always stay that way. No matter which sound you export from wc3, they are all synthesised, made electronically and aren't techno. To see the difference... Go there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPH-QAkSUzA Sephiroth - Ambient, done electronically (for u techno)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPylM2o6okQ One Night in Hackney - Techno.

I shall tell you a bit more about techno. It's a sub category of Electronic music, with stead rythym of 130-150bmp which can still be extended. Mostly played in steady metrum 4/4. Techno itself uses mostly reversed sounds with nyqiust prompt accord. Nobody posted techno here, sorry.

I see a red gem coming your way. Even if you don't agree with somebody's opinion, express your arguments in a polite and civilised way. anarchianbedlam's point is that people should focus more on traditional musical instruments, like violin or harp or flute, and not ready-made samples that are used for electronic songs.

 

[Fanny.Shaver]

@Teuncreemers

Everyone can make a rubbish. Make a techno track which will be listened by hundreds of thousands. To earn real money on it. To make something simple you need nothing. I can make RPG map myself in 2 minutes. I can play a guitar like shit, still 2 minutes...

Still, no schools? It's probably because most top Electronic producers have an equivalent of higher degree in symphony music, read:

Ron van den Beuken, Showtek, Headhunterz, Tiésto, Armin van Buuren, The Prophet, Lady Dana, DJ Pavo, Kai Tracid... I could go like this for pretty long, wiki them, see... In absolutely everything you need nothing to make a rubbish, need a skill, education etc to do something outstanding...

@up

Ain't gonna be polite towards people who insult me calling this what I make a techno...
+ I don't use samples, I use VST's with my productions.

 

[Deolrin]

Fanny.Shaver, if you're not going to be polite, you're going to be punished, simple as that. You are not allowed to use insulting\swearing words against other members. Please read the rules.

@CoBrA b, the second one in my opinion. It sounds more organized and it lasts for as long as a piece like that should last, in my opinion. It's not too long nor too short. In addition, it sounds like it develops from quite music, like in times of peace, like standing in a field of grass and listening to the wind and birds, to loud and beating music, like in the middle of a battle(or, in your case, a hunt).

Also, your music is my favorite one out of the current entires or W.I.P's posted in this contest.

 

[CoBrA b]

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@CoBrA b, the second one in my opinion. It sounds more organized and it lasts for as long as a piece like that should last, in my opinion. It's not too long nor too short. In addition, it sounds like it develops from quite music, like in times of peace, like standing in a field of grass and listening to the wind and birds, to loud and beating music, like in the middle of a battle(or, in your case, a hunt).

Also, your music is my favorite one out of the current entires or W.I.P's posted in this contest.

Thanks! I'll wait to see what other people say, but I think I agree with you as to which version I like more.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

christ people, some of you sure are quick to throw shitstorms. TO CLEARIFY for those of you who dont speak english as a first language.

i said that the music was fine "in its own right" meaning that the 'electronic/techno whatever it is music' IS GOOD. but not for wc3. You dont hear ANY synthesizer in wc3 music, you dont hear any electric sounds. and there are MANY programs out there that can generate realistic instrument sounds. violins, pianos, bass, trumpets, drums, etc etc etc. so there is no excuse

 

[Sephalo]

@Teuncreemers

Everyone can make a rubbish. Make a techno track which will be listened by hundreds of thousands. To earn real money on it. To make something simple you need nothing. I can make RPG map myself in 2 minutes. I can play a guitar like shit, still 2 minutes...

Still, no schools? It's probably because most top Electronic producers have an equivalent of higher degree in symphony music, read:

Ron van den Beuken, Showtek, Headhunterz, Tiésto, Armin van Buuren, The Prophet, Lady Dana, DJ Pavo, Kai Tracid... I could go like this for pretty long, wiki them, see... In absolutely everything you need nothing to make a rubbish, need a skill, education etc to do something outstanding...

@up

Ain't gonna be polite towards people who insult me calling this what I make a techno...
+ I don't use samples, I use VST's with my productions.

Everyone has his own feelings about different kinds of music.
I'm just saying even when techno is different then other kinds of music, it requires less dedication and skills then music like classical music or jazz or something. A real musician is someone that keeps practising and becoming better and better even when they're old. I can't imagine a techno-maker being in that picture. But well. We can discuss this for ages but taht won't make sence anyway. We both got other opinions.

 

[SeleKinz]

Everyone has his own feelings about different kinds of music.
I'm just saying even when techno is different then other kinds of music, it requires less dedication and skills then music like classical music or jazz or something. A real musician is someone that keeps practising and becoming better and better even when they're old. I can't imagine a techno-maker being in that picture. But well. We can discuss this for ages but taht won't make sence anyway. We both got other opinions.

Sorry but i'm a dj...and it takes time to become good and lots of practice or else your mix won't be as good. Making rythme is not a simple thing my friend...trust me. Music is everythin with instruments. Sorry but your definition of a real musician is false. Anything or i should say anyone that plays somekind of instrument is considered a musician. You don't need to play the real instrument...or don't need to have THAT instrument in YOUR hands to make music. Most people that make techno beats need to understand the bases of piano or even guitar...cauz you have to use the keys or else your song wont be sounding like a song

And to answer to one of your older comments...they do have schools for dj's out there in the world. And they do take time!!

The world of music is changing and we are now at the time where we can create the same sounds with the instruments on our computers...WAIT THERE! I'm not saying we should STOP PLAYING REAL INSTRUMENTS! I'm just saying music is constantly changing.

Before we first saw drums, then we came up with piano, then guitar, then some rock, pop, rap, techno...name them all. But i am sure if you would ask our little friend Mozart who ever you want too, they would define it as music! Who knows...if Mozart would've been at this age...maybe he would've create his own songs on FL Studio!

Finally i'm just saying your wrong...your just talking about ONE TYPE of music...when theres hundred and hundred of them!

 

[Sephalo]

Sorry but i'm a dj...and it takes time to become good and lots of practice or else your mix won't be as good. Making rythme is not a simple thing my friend...trust me. Music is everythin with instruments. Sorry but your definition of a real musician is false. Anything or i should say anyone that plays somekind of instrument is considered a musician. You don't need to play the real instrument...or don't need to have THAT instrument in YOUR hands to make music. Most people that make techno beats need to understand the bases of piano or even guitar...cauz you have to use the keys or else your song wont be sounding like a song

And to answer to one of your older comments...they do have schools for dj's out there in the world. And they do take time!!

The world of music is changing and we are now at the time where we can create the same sounds with the instruments on our computers...WAIT THERE! I'm not saying we should STOP PLAYING REAL INSTRUMENTS! I'm just saying music is constantly changing.

Before we first saw drums, then we came up with piano, then guitar, then some rock, pop, rap, techno...name them all. But i am sure if you would ask our little friend Mozart who ever you want too, they would define it as music! Who knows...if Mozart would've been at this age...maybe he would've create his own songs on FL Studio!

Finally i'm just saying your wrong...your just talking about ONE TYPE of music...when theres hundred and hundred of them!

2 different worlds, 2 different opinions.
Oh and computers can't sound like real instruments yet. Atleast they can look like it, but well I agree with you for a littlebit if they would be able to completely sound like the real instruments. Oh well. Let's stop about this, because my opinion will never change anyway and probably yours either. It's more a matter of taste I suppose.

 

[SeleKinz]

2 different worlds, 2 different opinions.
Oh and computers can't sound like real instruments yet. Atleast they can look like it, but well I agree with you for a littlebit if they would be able to completely sound like the real instruments. Oh well. Let's stop about this, because my opinion will never change anyway and probably yours either. It's more a matter of taste I suppose.

Lol ya i guess your right...but im my case i like instrumental songs as well...but i'm more with the techno bases. But it's true most programs don't sound like real instruments...but it can depend on the program you use...FL Studio is awfull...but is free!

You can get real good programs for like 200-500$ and there the sound is way much better. But your right let's drop this discussion...it's been going on for too long lol!

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

OH MY GOD, so much flaming in one single page - I look away for a minute and THIS happens.

If you actually LISTEN to the ingame music... NONE of it is techno, no synthesized-sounding notes. No electric keyboard or distorted notes. With the exception of "BishopofDoom's" entry, everything here is very disappointing. Some might be good songs in their own right (at a techno-bar or nightclub) but don't have any business as theme songs for the sort of primitive, magical, medieval, and sometimes bestial races that blizzard has created.

If you paid any attention you would know that this is not a contest to make Warcraft Music, but to make music that fits into the theme - which is of a race from warcraft lore (doesn't mean it has to fit the Warcraft 3 music, which of course is written to enhance the experience but stay out of the way)

I actually wanted to hear a large variation in musical styles, looking through the music forums here it's all orchestration, pretty much all of it's orchestra music. So far this Contest has succeeded in bringing out many more musicians and music styles that have long eluded this site

So let there be Techno, let there be Metal, let there be club music, let there be orchestra music, heck let pop exist. If it's your style then let us hear it. Don't get stuck in a rut.

 

[ShrEad-ER]

Is it too late to join ^^"?
(Yaa, me can haz muzic too man!)

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

You can join at any time during the contest as long as you post a WiP before the deadline and your piece was created during the duration of the contest (you can't put something up you started before the contest).

 

[anarchianbedlam]

.... if the point is to make music for a race in wc3.... why would it not sound like it comes from wc3? That is like asking someone to make a cookie that tastes nothing like a cookie.

 

[CoBrA b]

.... if the point is to make music for a race in wc3.... why would it not sound like it comes from wc3? That is like asking someone to make a cookie that tastes nothing like a cookie.

If you honestly believe that, then you are more narrow-minded than I thought you were. I'll admit that I sometimes have my own reverse-prejudice against rock, pop, hip-hop, techno, and what not, but never have I been so closed-minded. A song can still represent a race, and yet be incongruous with the style of music in WC3. You could just as easily claim that certain genres cannot represent certain emotions, and yet they do. If we were all trying to copy WC3 music, all our pieces would sound very unoriginal, unvaried, and, in all, boring. Do you want to ten variations of Sad Mystery or Orc Theme? Also, as Wherewolf said, the point of this contest is not to make background music, but rather a stand-alone piece. WC3 music was composed specifically for the purpose of serving as background music. The pieces we are composing are for listening only. You simply cannot compare the two. It's like trying to compare a book and its movie adaptation. Both formats, book and movie, have completely different rules that apply to them in terms of length, style, and composition. So trying to determine the quality of the one based on the other is utterly pointless.

Now, I suggest you stop carrying on about this, and enjoy the music.

Again, no offense meant. I'm simply sticking up for my fellow contestants so that they can compose without a flame war in the background.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

i enjoy the music, but i do not see how the pings and warbles of synths can convey the earthy and ancient tones of tauren or the mystic ways of elves etc... unless they were robot tauren or something.

And they may be original songs but they all sound similar. no one is really branching out to any other genre besides electronic.....

i suppose i shall wait until the contest is over. Reflecting, i came off strong in the first comment, but it was discouraging that i did not see any truly revolutionary or ambitious songs. Electronic music is rather safe when you think about it, you only need to worry about the beat, where as most other songs have to take other things into account, like which instruments to use etc.

 

[HappyTauren]

DJs might have lots of knowledge... but for what? Most of the music they do make is low quality (classical music will always be the highest quality music, and electronic music will always be the least quality music). And stop spewing shit about "DJs haz knwoledge liek symphonic artists!" because they don't. They don't have a basic understanding of music, they don't feel music, yet they know most of the other things... technically. I consider most of them to be commercial shitheads anyway.
Any your comeback at this comment is inferior, cause I don't give a shit about anybody being a sound producer if they think that "DJs are sorta like symphonic artists/composers". They are not. Most usually they're just guys who are inferior at playing piano so they make electronic music, or play no instruments and then think "Hell, it'd be awesome to do everything on the computer, less hassle, and I don't have to play anything." And I don't consider turntables to be a musical instrument. Hell, I don't even consider KEYBOARDS to be musical instruments, they are just a necessary evil because most people can't/don't want to afford symphonic orchestra, or can't get a piano on stage. I am forced to use it, but I'd rather watch a symphonic orchestra playing my parts.

 

[Panda]

Ok, Teuncreemers, azsure, and anarchianbedlam, stop arguing about this and get back to the contest. Thanks.

 

[Pyritie]

her "teaser" song is in the post > http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1446472-post61.html

HEY! IS YOUR THEME BY ANY CHANCE SOMETHING CALLED.... SADLERSONGS?

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/222488

god fucking damnit, i knew it sounded familiar.... i hate to be such a cynical person.... but i sure hope there's an damn good explanation for this... because this song was submitted to newgrounds at "03/20/2009 | 10:31AM EDT" while your post with the song FRAGMENT "teaser" as you call it was submitted MUCH LATER.... " 01-18-2010, 08:09 PM "

...... your day of reckoning has come

i am disapointed in you
( 'ಠ_ಠ)

Syleona has been disqualified from this contest.

Please just continue with this contest and the solo mapping one as usual. I will handle the investigation.

If you cause any sort of argument or whatever about this then you will get negrep. We will handle it.

 

[Fanny.Shaver]

DJs might have lots of knowledge... but for what? Most of the music they do make is low quality (classical music will always be the highest quality music, and electronic music will always be the least quality music). And stop spewing shit about "DJs haz knwoledge liek symphonic artists!" because they don't. They don't have a basic understanding of music, they don't feel music, yet they know most of the other things... technically.

...Ron Van den Beuken attended the Conservatorium Maastricht...

...Matt Darey is a keen piano player, has been playing it since age of six, been performing at Symphony Hall in West Midlands, started his Dj career in the age of 24...

...Armin van Buuren was born in musical family, his father, conductor and mother, pianist, where he developed his love for the music. For eleven years was a very successful violin player, and finally attented to Symphony Convesvatory in Amsterdam which finished with highest grades...

...Tijs Vervest (Tiesto) as a child expressed his love for classical music. In the age of ten he was awarded a youth piano artist and his own concert at Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam, his Dj career began in the age of sixteen as a resident Dj...

...Headhunterz in his early age developed his love for music. Attended to choir school and playing a piano in the age of thirteen performed at NY Metro Area in Amsterdam...

Surely, they know nothing about classical and symphony... Want me to paste more?

 

[CoBrA b]

i enjoy the music, but i do not see how the pings and warbles of synths can convey the earthy and ancient tones of tauren or the mystic ways of elves etc... unless they were robot tauren or something.

And they may be original songs but they all sound similar. no one is really branching out to any other genre besides electronic.....

i suppose i shall wait until the contest is over. Reflecting, i came off strong in the first comment, but it was discouraging that i did not see any truly revolutionary or ambitious songs. Electronic music is rather safe when you think about it, you only need to worry about the beat, where as most other songs have to take other things into account, like which instruments to use etc.

Okay. I feel like this is coming to a nice close. However, there's one question I still want to ask you, as, while I doubt it, your comments did put a slight worry in my mind. I assumed that your example with pings and warbles of synths representing tauren was just an example, and not directed at my composition. However, if your comment was directed at me, and you also thought my composition was also a techno composition, I can only see two possibilities. I wrote a full orchestral composition, so either:
a) my low-quality soundfonts sounded too electronic to you.
b) your computer can't handle soundfonts. I wouldn't know what would happen in this case, as this has never happened to me. I always assumed it would just not play it, but maybe it replaced my strings, woodwinds, brass, and percussion with electronic sounds.

So I just want to know, were you able to properly hear my composition as an orchestral composition?

 

[HappyTauren]

...Ron Van den Beuken attended the Conservatorium Maastricht...

...Matt Darey is a keen piano player, has been playing it since age of six, been performing at Symphony Hall in West Midlands, started his Dj career in the age of 24...

...Armin van Buuren was born in musical family, his father, conductor and mother, pianist, where he developed his love for the music. For eleven years was a very successful violin player, and finally attented to Symphony Convesvatory in Amsterdam which finished with highest grades...

...Tijs Vervest (Tiesto) as a child expressed his love for classical music. In the age of ten he was awarded a youth piano artist and his own concert at Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam, his Dj career began in the age of sixteen as a resident Dj...

...Headhunterz in his early age developed his love for music. Attended to choir school and playing a piano in the age of thirteen performed at NY Metro Area in Amsterdam...

Surely, they know nothing about classical and symphony... Want me to paste more?

I am talking about DJs who started off as djs without any previous knowledge of music. That's what I hate most when it comes to electronic music.