Zangar Marsh

[Nudl9]

Where to start:
-Vine Tile is really ugle and should be used more sparsely
-Theres no reason to have that many gold mines, 1 or 2 is fine.
-The map needs a shop and could really use a lordearon summer merc. camp.
-Fountain of Mana should be removed and placed by a center Tavern.
-There are no trees, where are the trees? Atmosphere or not, this isn't going to work.
-Sending a scout unit towards enemy will draw aggro from creeps.
-Mushrooms growing from deep water looks wierd
-Leaf texture doesn't make sense when there are no trees (only mushrooms)
-I recommend mixing in Northrend Dirt, Felwood Dirt, Lordearon Winter Grass tiles if you want a blue-hue alien like atmosphere.

 

[RFWH]

There's plenty of trees! Who needs to mine trees in the center?

 

[Nudl9]

Keeper of the Grove.

 

[RFWH]

Look Nudl, I know there are certain standards when it comes to melee mapping but you know what? I don't want to make every map with a shop and tavern, if you go back to WC3 and Frozen Throne there are some very bizarre maps that don't either. Anyway, I'll take your suggestions to heart as I'm not fully happy with the map either. Maybe I'll add more trees and get rid of some of the creeps.
Yours-
R

 

[Nudl9]

The mods review melee maps with a certain base level of balance in mind. You can make wierd maps all you like, but theres only so and so much moderators will accept variance from standard melee maps. Keep that in mind if you want your map to get accepted. I'm not a moderator btw.

You should read mafe's 1v1 guide, everyone who makes melee maps should read it because its just that good.

edit:
KOTG and just NE in general need trees to function or your map is simply not gonna fly.
Tavern and shop are basicly required btw.
Mana Fountain is very iffy and generally frowned upon because of balance issues.
MK with a mana fountain is bonkers.
Life Fountain is acceptable in some cases, but still OP for huntress.

 

[Mister_Haudrauf]

Yeah finally a Zangarmarsh map.
- How about different sized Mushrooms. Some bigger some smaller. (Giving more or less resources)
- Where are the Naga, Broken? The most Important thing about Zangarmarsh.
- I do however have to agree: Your Zangarmarsh map could use more Mushrooms. (Google Link)

But so far: Good looking.

Ps. I'm not a guy that is much for balancing. I'm more of a guy that sees how much a Map resembles it's counterpart. Cheers.

 

[RFWH]

I think I put some Broken in... and some Eredars

@Nudl9 Maybe I'll take out the Mana Fountain and put a Marketplace. That would suit the feel of the map too

@Nudl9 Please see attached the updated Version 2.1

 

[deepstrasz]

Filename has no player number between brackets before the map title.

1. There are spaces between trees where small units can pass through. Wisps especially could be used to spy. You could select trees and move them close together with the mouse or arrow keys which also have numbers on them (Num Lock must be on) or fill the spaces with doodads. This applies to most if not all mushroom forests.
   
2. Neutral hostile units don't start with full mana. You have to select them individually and set the mana to full.
3. Although you can send a scouting unit directly to your enemy's base without it being attacked by neutral hostile camps, many camps should be less exposed/out in the open for non-direct type of scouting.
4. Mine guardians should have the longest camp range (eredar) to engage player units from a farther distance so they won't build towers nearby or use cheap strategies.
5. Good that you've placed the fountains far from the main bases. However, they could be close to expansions and because it's not one fountain, players will rarely if at all have any conflict over who's to control the fountain.
6. The position of the mines guarded by Draenei create vulnerability for Acolytes. Push them backward, closer to the trees.
7. Generally, it's not a good idea to have paths with neutral hostile units on them because that leaves less manoeuvrability for the early game.
8. Tomes of Experience on weaker camps like the murlocs near their huts could cause balance problems for early-mid game.

It would be best to re-read the melee mapping guides below.

Awaiting Update.

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[RFWH]

Updated to 2.4. Please update your review and score accordingly. @deepstrasz

 

[deepstrasz]

1. There are still spaces between trees but at least you need to cut some first to get there. The problem is, non-night elf races will have less lumber.
2. Try placing the trees again with the round and smaller to smallest brush.
3. Still neutral hostile units start with low mana. It could be a patch related issue to since you're using 1.21...
4. Try not having any neutral hostile units with the back to the coming enemy; for instance the spiders. A camp should all face towards the front.
   
5. The eredar near the mines still don't have the longest camp range.

So, I'm not sure if I'm being played, defied or ignored.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Zangar Marsh)

 

[RFWH]

You are being defied and I don't understand how you can be so insufferable to your content creators. There's nothing glaringly wrong with it, so why give me so much grief? Why can it not be approved? It's a full map.

Yours

 

[deepstrasz]

You are being defied and I don't understand how you can be so insufferable to your content creators. There's nothing glaringly wrong with it, so why give me so much grief? Why can it not be approved? It's a full map.

Then it means you've not really done any update, which kind of means you've lied.
I'm not approving maps which aren't properly working. When it comes to melee, I'm way more strict since they are not maps you work on that much. Plus, they follow the same rules usually.

If you don't want to improve at all find someone else to review:

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[RFWH]

Comrades I am sorry. My response was unjustified.

I will try my best to improve my maps, while that is true, some concepts, as you have rightly said may just not work as melee maps. Maybe I could come up with the concepts and let someone more qualified help with balance.

I am working on more improved versions of most of my maps but sometimes haven't the time.

Sorry for what I said. I know this is our community and we have to work together.

Please look forward to more finished maps that meet the rules in the near future. Thank you all for your support and comments. Hope we can be friends again

~~~~RFWH