WoW's Scarlet Enclave - Template

[deepstrasz]

Is it playable or to be used for other projects? You marked it as template.

 

[Warcraft Sandbox]

Is it playable or to be used for other projects? You marked it as template.

For now it's only a template with some preplaced units.

 

[deepstrasz]

For now it's only a template with some preplaced units.

I see. Well, it will be moved to Templates. Please upload such maps there in the future: Warcraft 3 Map Templates

 

[Retera]

I tried this map a little bit, but I think it would be nice if you add a way to press some hotkey like maybe ESCAPE key, and then have the game switch to a WoW player with WoW ui like this:

Do you think you would ever add something like that to this map or something?

Also, as we can see in my test video, in many places up close the map seemed to have some holes between the trees and the ground, and sometimes decals like the birds in the air were frozen in place hovering instead of orbiting. Is that something you think you would ever fix?

 

[Warcraft Sandbox]

I tried this map a little bit, but I think it would be nice if you add a way to press some hotkey like maybe ESCAPE key, and then have the game switch to a WoW player with WoW ui like this:

Do you think you would ever add something like that to this map or something?

Also, as we can see in my test video, in many places up close the map seemed to have some holes between the trees and the ground, and sometimes decals like the birds in the air were frozen in place hovering instead of orbiting. Is that something you think you would ever fix?

Impressive your camera addition. Is it retail WC3 or Warsmash? I tried to create some toy first person camera system before, but never as smooth as yours.

About the birds, they are imperfections that for now the map developer needs to clean up after generating the map. Though I will try my best to heuristically detect dynamic effect models and exclude them. It can be a open-source-like community-owned repository of custom rules for generation. By rules I mean like e.g. these for determine model's FilterMode: Warcraft3/wow-converter/config.ts at 5c48091c138bcd4e312c5cb748bee528a8426246 · pqhuy98/Warcraft3

About the hole between tree and terrain, I just almost finish on a fix for this bug with doodad's height, will update the map soon.

 

[Retera]

Is it retail WC3 or Warsmash?

It's 100% Warsmash. I don't know how to do this on the latest WC3 versions. Some people tried to get close, but for me it never felt quite the same.

Although, even the Warsmash felt "better" in a previous version when the character there was not a "unit" and so it moved at 60FPS perfectly. Now that it's a "unit" there is some weird interpolating sometimes.

 

[Warcraft Sandbox]

@Retera
Your code for collision detection does it require multithreading? I am thinking about generating bounding box data for all objects, output them into a big array inside a code file, with some function to compute Z collision so that retail WC3 modder can build the jumping system like yours.

 

[Retera]

No, my code is not multithreaded. In some cases it is also not very good. I think the WMO files or such things have better bound information when processing large objects, so that they can break the large objects into pieces and process more fluidly. In my video near the end, and also why I walk past Acherus, there are times when there are big frame drops and lags. I am processing the intersection of the character against the 3D world on the same thread as everything else, so if the amount of triangles to intersect with becomes too large, it begins to lag.

I think you are correct that without dumping the MDX triangle data into a lua or jass file, it might be difficult to access that information in map script.

Also, the Warsmash code system in my video was very silly. Only JASS is supported for map script, even though LUA is supported for the WoW UI hacky parsing that only kind of works. So I changed the map to JASS to get the footmen and knights to spawn, even though when I play there are a ton of LUA errors logged from the old WoW alpha scripts that are populating the UI.

 

[Xthreo]

you can use Brilock's camera system: Mouse camera system with WASD

 

[Retera]

Do you know if the Brilock camera system can be adapted to walk around inside of Acherus? Here's an example video for reference:

For example at time 5:44, I do a jump from one ledge to another in a three-dimensional way.

 

[Xthreo]

Yes the Camera System itself follows the unit's Z coordinates. If you want to have walkable interiors then the simplest way would be to edit the model and remove all the geosets that are not part of the floors and re-import this floor as a bridge/ramp. Then all the units in the game will be able to walk in the model. And for the pathing, importing a pathing texture that prevents units to go through walls.

Some issue will still remain though:

• multiple levels won't work and only the highest z will be applied
• Projectiles will go through wall
• vision, etc....

 

[deepstrasz]

For some reason, it looks like this

Spoiler

Also, please adjust height and stuff so it would look proper and ready for use.
Also, if you intend to do more of these, please add them in the same thread as a collection since they are pretty much generated material.

Awaiting Update.

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[Retera]

Doesn't this map use the trigger action to disable terrain, so that ingame there is not Terrain rendered on the ground? Thus, the height difference between the WoW terrain and the Wc3 terrain is not an issue, since the Wc3 terrain doesn't show ingame.

 

[Warcraft Sandbox]

For some reason, it looks like this

Spoiler

View attachment 521827

Also, please adjust height and stuff so it would look proper and ready for use.
Also, if you intend to do more of these, please add them in the same thread as a collection since they are pretty much generated material.

Awaiting Update.

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The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

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• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
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A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

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How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

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Pathing - Everything about it
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Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

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About those purple boxes, you need to press I in the World Editor to hide them. And the terrain will be hidden by trigger while in-game, for World Editor you need to press Ctrl + T to hide it.