Twilight of the Gods (Edited)

[deepstrasz]

While some addons like the Chimaera are nice and might not break the balance with edits on the enemy's side, it's just an edit of original work.

Simple.

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[Loken Ironwolf]

While some addons like the Chimaera are nice and might not break the balance with edits on the enemy's side, it's just an edit of original work.

Simple.

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Guilty as charged

 

[Banaconaconut]

either remove the Green Dragons (I mean the Green Dragon Green Dragon, you can keep the drakes and whelps). their problem is;
1. I killed Archimonde with it...... sure you can buff Archi more but that'd be counter productive.
2. Having Green Dragon Dragons would make building other units... useless.

one I can suggest so you can keep the Green Dragon Dragon for your lore, just give them to the Ai. or just give the player 1 dragon.
point is, too much dragons on the map would wreck the demons.

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

either remove the Green Dragons (I mean the Green Dragon Green Dragon, you can keep the drakes and whelps). their problem is;
1. I killed Archimonde with it...... sure you can buff Archi more but that'd be counter productive.
2. Having Green Dragon Dragons would make building other units... useless.

one I can suggest so you can keep the Green Dragon Dragon for your lore, just give them to the Ai. or just give the player 1 dragon.
point is, too much dragons on the map would wreck the demons.

Yeah, good point, guess i didn't count on Green Dragon doomstack that makes other units irrelevant.

Ill figure out a workaround for them and then ill update here, thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Lang]

Manage to kill Archimonde, when it's only him and just basic attack at Orc base, with his base destroyed and without summon, he is killable.

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

Manage to kill Archimonde, when it's only him and just basic attack at Orc base, with his base destroyed and without summon, he is killable.

Did you do that with Green Dragon doomstack? Or you managed to kill him after the update?

 

[Lang]

Did you do that with Green Dragon doomstack? Or you managed to kill him after the update?

Actually at first i could do it even without the Green Dragon, using the chaos damage on Illidan attack, with Archimonde base could be destroyed and he didn't even using summon at Orc base, he is killable.

I haven't tried the updated one yet. i will try it again later.

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

Actually at first i could do it even without the Green Dragon, using the chaos damage on Illidan attack, with Archimonde base could be destroyed and he didn't even using summon at Orc base, he is killable.

I haven't tried the updated one yet. i will try it again later.

Hmm, guess ill have to script Archimonde better, cause my goal was to make him an unstoppable force that will power through anything, but apparently he can be bullied with Illidan and Green Dragons

Did you use Chimaera's corrosive breath to snipe the buildings in Archimonde's base?

 

[Banaconaconut]

Hmm, guess ill have to script Archimonde better, cause my goal was to make him an unstoppable force that will power through anything, but apparently he can be bullied with Illidan and Green Dragons

Did you use Chimaera's corrosive breath to snipe the buildings in Archimonde's base?

If your gonna make Archimonde stronger, I recommend buffing him up in his spells(don't make the spell damage to large that'll it would oneshot even bears, just enough to make it very scary) and make him even more tanky if you don't want him to die..
It'll give a sense of actually "fighting him" to hold him off, than just "oh no, he touched me, I'm dead." because just increasing his Basic Attack damage is lame and boring to fight with (even if fighting is unwinnable).

As for dealing with magic immune units, I suggest, just give him something like a 10% mini bash(like 1 sec) that deals huge damage. It'll still make fighting possible without your Main Combat Hero easily killed by spells or stuns, but not for long (cause I doubt anything can survive long being hit by a 1k dmg bash, even if its proc chances are low).

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

If your gonna make Archimonde stronger, I recommend buffing him up in his spells(don't make the spell damage to large that'll it would oneshot even bears, just enough to make it very scary) and make him even more tanky if you don't want him to die..
It'll give a sense of actually "fighting him" to hold him off, than just "oh no, he touched me, I'm dead." because just increasing his Basic Attack damage is lame and boring to fight with (even if fighting is unwinnable).

As for dealing with magic immune units, I suggest, just give him something like a 10% mini bash(like 1 sec) that deals huge damage. It'll still make fighting possible without your Main Combat Hero easily killed by spells or stuns, but not for long (cause I doubt anything can survive long being hit by a 1k dmg bash, even if its proc chances are low).

Yeah, that's kinda the idea that i had to buff him up, its much more dramatic that he is an unrbeakable wall than One punch man basically. I plan to keep him as a summoner unit that he is, but ill see that i tweak Finger of Death and maybe add another damage spell to his name.

That's actually a great idea for mini bash, low chance to stun, but does big dmg. Thanks for the suggestions

 

[Lang]

Did you use Chimaera's corrosive breath to snipe the buildings in Archimonde's base?

Yes indeed. Chimaera stack with no upkeep, definitely enough to trade with his buildings even with some unit loss.

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

Yes indeed. Chimaera stack with no upkeep, definitely enough to trade with his buildings even with some unit loss.

And this is exactly why we don't have Chimaeras in the final mission to begin with lol

Oh well, guess ill have to remove the Corrosive Breath upgrade too. Thanks for being honest tho

 

[Lang]

And this is exactly why we don't have Chimaeras in the final mission to begin with lol

Oh well, guess ill have to remove the Corrosive Breath upgrade too. Thanks for being honest tho

Some other version remake that ever work, is giving the Black Citadel with Invulnerability armor. This way player sure hardly to rush into Archimonde's base. Even i didn't think this is should be done to this chapter.

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

Some other version remake that ever work, is giving the Black Citadel with Invulnerability armor. This way player sure hardly to rush into Archimonde's base. Even i didn't think this is should be done to this chapter.

The problem with that is that Black Citadel is immune to Acolyte's Unsummon ability too when invulnerable, so that's not really an option. I think i might go with the alternative of adding Divine Armor to every undead building, so that way only Acolytes with Unsummon can get rid of them.

 

[Lang]

Well, Dragon strategy off, but as people says, "There is a way if human use their brain", or maybe it's just another problem to be solved.

I still manage to delay Archimonde even still at Jaina Base. And again, he is lonely as sad demon.

Some maybe makes bug that he not even march toward by reacting to owl scout, i barely knew this after a few try.

Chimaera still takes big role for some attempt, though i don't think could kill Archimonde with total HP bar more than 300k with Divine Armor and no Chaos Damage.

Orc base feels need more buff, their base easily overwhelm even with no Archimonde march. Adding more Beastiary maybe could be better since they train Wind Rider.

The item on Goblin Merchant quite expensive, the main item only Grimoire of Soul and Celestial Orb which important for durability.

Certainly feel the buff on Archimonde, more impactful when he march toward, but maybe still holdable if he only alone.

Overall still do able to hold Archimonde by some tricks, maybe it as you say need building with Divine Armor to prevent Archimonde to be lonely.

I assume he will idling until the timer runs out.

 

[Loken Ironwolf]

Well, Dragon strategy off, but as people says, "There is a way if human use their brain", or maybe it's just another problem to be solved.

I still manage to delay Archimonde even still at Jaina Base. And again, he is lonely as sad demon.

Some maybe makes bug that he not even march toward by reacting to owl scout, i barely knew this after a few try.

Chimaera still takes big role for some attempt, though i don't think could kill Archimonde with total HP bar more than 300k with Divine Armor and no Chaos Damage.

Orc base feels need more buff, their base easily overwhelm even with no Archimonde march. Adding more Beastiary maybe could be better since they train Wind Rider.

The item on Goblin Merchant quite expensive, the main item only Grimoire of Soul and Celestial Orb which important for durability.

Certainly feel the buff on Archimonde, more impactful when he march toward, but maybe still holdable if he only alone.

Overall still do able to hold Archimonde by some tricks, maybe it as you say need building with Divine Armor to prevent Archimonde to be lonely.

I assume he will idling until the timer runs out.

That quote means i have another map problem to solve, that's for sure. And my brain is certainly not developed enough to properly use the trigger editor

I can see that from the picture lol

The owl bug is kinda weird, ill play test again and check it out myself. If it's causing bugs to Archimonde, ill just switch her Owl ability to something else to make her more useful, literally the only use Tyrande has anyway is Starfall spam.

I should hope so, the major oversight from my part was that you could kill him with Green Dragon doomstack with chaos damage. Besides, chimaeras are useless against Archimonde cause they have magic damage and Archi is magic immune.

Yeah, might as well, i buffed Jaina's base so might as well do Thrall's base too.

It should be, the items aren't exactly standard items like Claws of Attack, so they need to have an adequate price.

Glad i made Archimonde as intended, and thanks for letting me know, ill fix these issues and update the map again when i can