Techtree Contest

[Kyrbi0]

we should have a rule that people cannot be allowed to make a model for the contest, only beable to download from the current resources on the hive?

wouldnt be too fair if they could make their own models.

Don't bother; I already tried that angle. :/

An good custom race need good custom resources and hive has a lot of them.

Not true. In fact, you should be able to make a cool race independant of custom resources. If you can, then it's even better with them added.

(However, I tend to agree; I love custom models and stuff. )

 

[HFR]

An good custom race must have good spells, units, upgrades and balance. As you said, custom models are not necessary, but they give an more cooler looking to the race, like have an custom armored murloc instead of an red murloc...

 

[Gilles]

Just remember that there's a reason for everything.

What does that mean?

 

[Ghost765]

i think it means that there are reasons why he's inactive.

 

[Artins the Great]

Can someone answer to my base map question? Almean how big should the base map be? 96x96? 128x128? and are you supposed to make one yourself or use one of the wc melee maps? Is there a certain map you must use to make your techtree out of?

 

[HFR]

I think that you have to use an standard melee map, but Gilles can answer this more accurately.

 

[Gilles]

I'll post a standard map for everyone to use. Please be patient, I'll get this up on the weekend.

 

[Ghost765]

we should be allowed to protect it >.>

 

[Kyrbi0]

No way. How can people learn from our triggering and stuff? Or how the race was built (object editor stuff)?

 

[Ghost765]

we could tell them.

 

[Linaze]

No protected maps on contests, as simple as that, really.

 

[Just_Spectating]

whats the point in protecting it,

scared someone will steal it?

Gilles can just disqualify any cheaters.

 

[Ghost765]

scared noobs will steal all the hard work i put into collecting all the sacred reliques. (yes i know i misspelled that)

 

[Just_Spectating]

relics lol..

who ever posts first will have the title of the map, so if any later submission with the same features will be disqualified unless totally by coincidence...

 

[Ghost765]

no no no, im scared that NOOBS with 0 REP that just want COOL RELIKS like MODELS or SKINS or SPELLS for their LAME MAP.

 

[HFR]

Thats an good point. protected or open source.

Protected:

-Noobs can't steal the "relics"
-Nobody, except the maker can see the triggers, custom units, etc.

Open Source:

-Noobs (and anyone) can steal the precious made-only-for-this-map resources.
-Anyone (and noobs) can learn from the triggers and custom units and spells.

 

[Kwah]

Let's not have this at the same time as War3C's.

 

[Gilles]

That's what I'm starting to think hawk. No one should have told me about that contest.

 

[Kwah]

;(

'cause yeah. We share some of a user base.

 

[Slaydon]

I voted Blood Elf and NO IMPORTS =P, and i dont want to enter...

 

[Levithan01]

I voted daemon and No imports just to make it hard.

 

[syltman]

I voted for Goblin and File size limit.

 

[Levithan01]

Yeah i think they should just give a list of the top 3 voted options and say pick on of these themes for your tech tree.

 

[Ghost765]

well im pretty sure voting now has sorta unofficially ended. If people want to look at my protected techtree, they could just pm me, and i'll determine if they are worthy of being given the sacred relicks of ages past.

 

[Kyrbi0]

You could have it at the same time... If you did Mini-races. That way, the 2 contests could be done concurrently, as the entries to Wc3C could be submitted to the Hive (no extra work).

But yeah, go ahead and do full-races. It shouldn't take that long of a wait...

 

[Linaze]

Well, I don' think many people will join this, TBH. As most "custom racers" are in the wc3c contest at the moment, and a majority of those people wouldn't probably want to do one more race right after they just finished one.

 

[HFR]

Fully agreed with Kirbi0, the contester can submit the same race in both contests.

 

[Gilles]

Meh, if WC3C is having one, I see no point in having this one. You few guys seem to be the only ones interested, and it sounds like you are all joining that one.

 

[Linaze]

Agreed with Gilles, actually.
Perhaps there should be one, but it shouldn't be in the near future, in that case.

 

[Levithan01]

I would do THWs one due to not being on Wc3c

 

[HFR]

If everybody want this contest dead, Finish The Contest!

 

[Ghost765]

hell to the no! this is so...BOOOOOOOM

 

[Paladon]

What a pity.
I'd have joined here.

I am somehow globally ignored at wc3c.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Actually, I disagree. I totally think the Hive should have this contest. (If only for comparison)

I would just submit that, due to the Wc3C contest, if you want many (if any) submissions, you should make it a mini-race contest, with rules at least similar to the Wc3C one (i.e. you can have full-imports, as each user can just make the "one-import" version for Wc3C, then import all these resources for the Hive version.)

 

[Levithan01]

I agree and disagree same contest but no import rules, so it makes it harder for the mapper to change the stuff, therfore showing intiative in there abilties to modify

 

[Gilles]

Making it similar would just make it more pointless.

 

[HFR]

I want this contest here too. But the guys with power don't.

 

[Traxamillion]

Vote creeps FFS, no restrictions.

 

[Ghost765]

what the hell... if this contetst gets hosted, magic race my be the theme 0.o
anyways, didnt u send kyrbi0 to get the techtree contest thingy going at wc3c gilles?

 

[Traxamillion]

Well if its creeps you can do any creep race, even magic using ones.

 

[HFR]

It will be good to have an decent gnoll spellcaster. (Gnoll Warden is... too weak).

 

[Kwah]

Having a theme for this contest seems kinda silly.

Really limit creativity.

 

[Linaze]

To allow imports is to limit creativity.
Anyways, this contest is probably not going to be hosted, not soon, anyways, judging by what Gilles said in his previous (?) post.

 

[Ghost765]

how do imports limit creativity. with imports a whole shitload of possibilities bursts forward.
and anyways, people have already said they wanted no theme but gilles wont listen.

 

[Linaze]

Well, with imports allowed, you can find a model and make up a unit for it, as simple as that. Without imports, which means less options model-wise, it takes much more creativity to come up with a working techtree without using the same model for three units, obviously.
Anyways, I must say that no-imports wouldn't work well at all for a full techtree, which I didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post. No imports works better for mini-race.

 

[Ghost765]

but...but... custom models are so awesome!
although i do see where u are going.

 

[Kyrbi0]

(Huh, there's no 24th page, though it says there is...)

Making it similar would just make it more pointless.

Not really. If the point is to A: make a custom techtree (basically 1: new ideas, 2: building a sense of community and competition, 3: providing raw materials for others to use in their projects), then making a contest here does just that. = Point.
Yes, with rules similar to Wc3C, you will have many entrants who are "double-entering" (as it were), but you will also get some people who are Hive-only, and the feel will be different (no Schulze polls, for one).
I say it's worth a try.

anyways, didnt u send kyrbi0 to get the techtree contest thingy going at wc3c gilles?

Lawl, are you kidding? After all the trouble it's caused him now?
No, I brought it up of my own accord (with some prompting, from a little birdie).

 

[Avator]

Kyrbi0: That's probably because someone posted in the 24th page, but deleted it afterwards.

Anyway: I voted for Magic Based - No Restrictions. No Imports would lead to a lot of uncreative submissions and people submitting the same idea's, which is just ruining the contest. No File Size Limit either, because it would end up the same as No Imports.
Believe it or not, but I've been thinking of modelling a Magic Only race just a few days ago xD It would be nice to make them with a little contest motivation!

 

[Just_Spectating]

someone made a magic race on the other techtree contest that i joined. i think..

like some wisp race.

 

[HFR]

I prefer an race with imports, whitout this, people will use several units with the same recolored model. And, the worst thing in an techtree contest: Use an unit with another model!! Like using an bandit as an dwarf, or an banshee as an sea witch (Blizzard made this, he he). So, I don't want to see these freaks in the contest.