Oh wow, just goes to show how short-sighted I can be... I figured this was a given. Yeah, I totally agree; make a freakin' race in the freakin' game, guys. None of this "undersea Elves!" or "flying elephant-people" races.~Void~ said:I honestly think that without theme restrictions we will get loaded with stupid entries. How about Warcraft theme, at least?
I honestly don't see why you can't be open to the possibility of even discussing it. I know all mods are different, but take Gilles for example; even if he goes with Full-Races, I know he has read and understands my side of it, and has discussed it with me. You, on the other hand, have almost completely ignored me with little support.~Void~ said:I honestly don't see the point in this argument. It won't be mini-races.
>_> I'm not sure I get that... But I agree withGilles said:In the campaign, there are set enemies, and the computers are controlled a certain way.
Gilles said:The Naga are not comparable with the other races.
Hmm. I agree that with Mini-Races you can't really compare with the others. I just think Balance isn't as important as Design, in this case.Kyrbi0, I really don't like the idea of no balancing, and I don't think you can compare them with the other races.
I meant that the Naga race was only balanced for the campaign. It wouldn't be any good for a melee game.>_> I'm not sure I get that
I just prefer to have balancing, and I can't really explain why. I guess for one thing, I don't want to see a race where each unit has over the top amazing abilities.Hmm. I agree that with Mini-Races you can't really compare with the others. I just think Balance isn't as important as Design, in this case.
Balance to me is something you take a stab at (i.e. "this ability deals damage and stuns, but for less damage/duration than Thunder Clap, so it should have a slightly lower cooldown and mana cost"), then playtest to get right.
However, if the creator has put a lot of thought into the race, to make it really cool, interesting and unique, I definitely think that should rank higher in this case.
Well yeah. I don't mean epic-amazing spells; I mean, like, interesting or creative spells. For example, a Possession-like ability that instead works on mechs and Towers (like "Hijack") isn't game-ending, but it's creative and has some strategy to it, I would think.Gilles said:I just prefer to have balancing, and I can't really explain why. I guess for one thing, I don't want to see a race where each unit has over the top amazing abilities.
Yeah. We could sit and argue forever; I don't really care to. I say make it a poll.Gilles said:It's just your opinion on mine, and as long as we're the only ones in this discussion, my opinion trumps yours.![]()
A simple misunderstanding from my side then, my apologizes, mr Arena Mod.I said as long as it was just myself and Kyrbi0 debating. I don't think I've ever actually gone against the publics opinion on any contest.
Let me modify this list a bit...I thought I could post a list with pros and cons I could think of when it comes to mini vs full races for people who don't care to read trough entire pages to find arguments for and against.
I agree with this.Well if you think about it, you only need like 5 entries to make this competition good. Any others are a bonus. I say 5 because there are 3 winners + atleast 2 others so that ppl actually have to work to win, its not just a guarentee due to lack of contestants.
I disagree. I think I will only enter if it's "Mini-Race" (especially because Wc3C might be hosting a similar contest soon..., and I could then do one race for both contests). I argued because I want to see things succeed here.Chaos said:I myself am confirming my entry(as long as i can do my draenei race, And if were doing creeps or open theme then i can). Also LordDz just said that he would enter. and if you guys dont enter then it would be very odd considering that you have spent so much time debating here. And im sure that others will join this contest to. So i think that even if we get less entries with full races, there would still be enough of us to make this a good contest. So it should be full tech.
That makes no sense whatsoever. It's not a matter of AI's or something like that. It's all about balance. You can play the 4 races and have them balanced against one another; but with the Naga you can't, because they are very different (also, they are pretty overpowered, IMO).Chaos said:You cant do naga because they dont have AI so someone would have to make AI for them in order for us to compare it to.
We could. But we don't have to. Poll?Well to tell you the truth we all could sit here and argue this all day
O RLY? ~Void~ is pro-Full races, but all Gilles has said is that he prefers Balancing. He has made no decision either way.Chaos said:but the point is that the majority want full tech including gilles and void so that is what its probably going to be.
-_- Good luck.
Sorry, but I don't break my word.Oh God, accidentally voted in "Theme" and "Race" thinking that this options enable the votes, damn! It's the first time that this happens to me... Always read everything before posting, always read everything before posting, always read everything before posting