Siberian Wilderness

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[Knecht]

Hey there, looks good, I like the simplicity of the terrain. The easter egg is hilarious

The layout is nice, open. There were only two things that bugged me. First, the Goblin Labs are way too far to be worth it. Second, you put most of the stuff too deep into the trees - bases, expos, creep camps... the merc camps don't have much space in between the trees to maneuver. Also, the trees have free space between them (press P for viewing pathing).

Some creep camps have item drops that might be too strong for their level (looking at the level 4 drops). The dragons at the base creep camps are different. Each color of dragons has different stats - armor type, attack type etc., the differences are minor but still might be imbalanced. Same goes for bears (hp), not sure about furbolgs.

The water around the tavern is a nice thing. Breaks the "farm/wisp at the tavern" meta. There's some neat concepts on this map. The red camp placement is interesting too (mostly for HU players ), as it is the nearest camp to the base.

 

[SWAGSCALIBUR]

Hey there Knecht,


thanks for your feedback. I am quite happy that you have left some kind words concerning my map.


Now to the two disturbing factors of yours: Actually those were the two things which were the only thorns in my flesh as well.

Having those large tree lines, which also make the travelling distances further I thought about cutting of 1/3 of those off multiple times. This could also help with the other big issue: the quite distant Goblin Laboratories.

I thought of deleting the bridges and putting the laboratories between the two gold mines for example. Another idea was to swap the red camp next to the bases with the goblin lab camps.

As I was not completely satisfied with those approaches I did not implement any of these yet.


I agree that the level 4 item drops might be a bit strong regarding those two creep camps. I think they are still more or less balanced and I also tried to avoid having too many level 3 drops so that there is some variety in the item drops.


As far as the spaces between the trees are concerned, I actually chose to have some spaces between those here and there as I thought it would look better and more “natural” than having them neatly arranged. But there might be an issue besides visual appeal which I did not consider.


Having creeps which are not completely interchangeable (dragons and bears) I thought that it would not be that imbalanced so that I would have to scrap the idea. As those two are the strongest creep camps I suppose that it would not be noticeable that much as you would need an army in fighting shape anyway to clear the camps. Furthermore, the different dragon types have also been used in a map which is called “Nomad Isles”. This one has been played competitively in minor tournaments so I guessed that a small amount of imbalance would not be that much of an issue when even pros consider it acceptable.


I would be grateful if other members could provide me with some feedback regarding the map itself and the ideas mentioned above as I am still an absolute beginner in creating melee maps. Any other kind of reply will be welcomed and also a big shoutout to Knecht for expressing his thoughts.

 

[Knecht]

Well, for a "beginner" it's a very solid map. You could gladly join the 2v2 contest that's going on right now (though you'd have to team up or be put on the waiting list) Melee Mapping Contest #4 - 2v2

I guess the minor differences in creeps aren't too much of a deal. And the item drops are probably ok after a closer look. Btw, here are some pretty good guides for melee if you wonder about something:
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps

 

[SWAGSCALIBUR]

Thanks, I will definitively check out those two guides. They surely can provide some insight into aspects which I did not consider yet.

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Avoid sharp terrain parts over which units can walk over. It looks weird and they might obstruct visibility during battle when units are on them. Use the smoothing terrain tool. Most of the map has these weird formations. Read the terraining guides bellow.
   
2. Serves no purpose to get past the bridges (at the back of the Goblin Laboratories). At least a green camp there?
3. Avoid using non-neutral units as neutral passive, especially those with attack capability.

Awaiting Update.

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[SWAGSCALIBUR]

Thanks for the feedback, deepstrasz.

1. I will work on the terrain to have it leveled. I did not know that some visual issues could occur during fights.
2. As I used pretty much any of the item sets with the present creep camps, I decided to not add another creep camp with an item set which is already used. I might just remove the islands completely as the island creep camps would also be very distant.
3. This was an easter egg I decided to implement. If there are no game afflicting issues, I would rather keep it in the map because Arthas and Jaina are my two favourite characters of the Warcraft lore.

A reply or any other kind of feedback will be appreciated.

 

[Nudl9]

The minimap looks nice.
I think the terrain just needs more stuff, it's kinda plain.

 

[deepstrasz]

Some changes made,
Approved.

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