Rpg-Hero-Arena 0.9 Beta

[deepstrasz]

1. Please remove the Campaign tag. This is not such a thing. It's a map. Also, it's not an arena map. It's an RPG.
   
2. You should not be lazy to write the hotkey for each spell in their description:
   Tooltip Tutorial
   Creating Good Descriptions
3. Why is Holy Light named Small Healing after you learn it and the icon is that of Healing Wave!? Even the Paladin has the same spell but named differently, I mean the name's been kept.
   
4. You could change the icon or hue of items which look alike. These can help:
   Button Manager v1.8.2
   BLP Lab v0.5.0
5. Mostly Warcraft III material. Maybe some custom spells? Spells | HIVE
6. Basically what you do is kill units on the map awaiting to be killed. Bosses are only stronger units. There is no interesting mechanic to them. The gameplay is too old school.

As of now, it has not much to show for itself. There are better maps of the same genre than this on the site.

Awaiting Update.

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[McZero]

1. Yeah im new i removed it, didnt know what exactly i should tag. It is a arena map in my opinion. The RPG is just the beside thing. I want people to do open world pvp a lot (thats why the quests lead them to specific spots). You level up your heros by grinding creeps and have a team fight in the arena every 10 minutes. Bounties will appear on players that are on a killing spree so that other players that are a little behind can find and gank them in the open world.
PVP is supposed to be the main theme of my map, maybe it appears not to be so when you dont have many or even no enemy players at all. It is a map you should play with at least 4 players, i rather suggest 8 or even 12 players. I played that on a lan-party with friends and it was extremely cool, thats what it is supposed to be for.

2. I will update it.

3. I will update the holy light tooltip and name.

4. I have a look at it but at the moment i think its fine to me. I like it as it is.

5. Im not the bigest fan of custom spells and i dont think i will import some for this map. I have another map where i created a ability power system and made the spells and the "spell pool" of the heros more interesting than in RPG Hero Arena. Fancy spells are not the thing i wanted to bring into this map. I want some players that dont know the map to be familiar with the game play so that people that are on a lan-party can just download it and have fun. So i decided to stay near to Blizzards spells so that everybody instantly knows what the spells are about.

6. Well i dont think you really played my map then (and i dont want to sound offending by saying so). It takes some time and i admit its a lot of grinding and leveling, but thats what it is supposed to be. The late game bosses have very many mechanics so maybe you have a look at them and not only the "shitty" mini- bosses in the begining that literally are only stonger units.
It is old school because i wanted that map to be old school, but can you say it is bad because of that? I will add that to the map description.

I never played a similar map with a quest line and good boss mechanics. (Well i just played angel arena and stuff that was released like 10-15 years ago, im old school wc3- player and not that much into playing a lot of fun maps)

If you play this map with 2vs2 or 3vs3 people it is a lot of fun. I think you only gave 2/5 because 1st you did not do any late game bosses (or even the middle game bosses) and 2nd played it on your own without any enemy players. Tell me if im wrong but it would be interesting for me to know how you tested it.

As you see i suggest at least 4 players for this map, else it may be a little boring.
I admit it takes like 2-3 hours to get to the real late game and i dont think you did spend nearly that much amount of time testing it.

After all im glad you had a look at it, so tell me more specific what im supposed to do to get this approved and make the map better.
I understand that you might be not willing to spend more than 1 hour for testing a single map but you did not nearly experienced what my map is about in my opinion.
As i said it is supposed to be at least 2vs2 players and 2 hours or more play time. ( I will add that to the description as well)

UPDATE 6. You can have a look at the triggers for my boss-fights if you want. I did not try to reinvent the wheel, but it is movement required and some tactics. For example killing less Healing globes on Thyrael will heal him but prevents him from dealing more damage. Have a look at arthas, illidan and the Arena Keeper as well (those three bosses are the ones which i really and mainly ment to have boss mechanics).

Sauron and the Nazguhl are the first bosses with some little triggered mechanics, mainly ment to do some AOE damage for making it harder fighting them with multiple players at the same time.

 

[deepstrasz]

If you play this map with 2vs2 or 3vs3 people it is a lot of fun. I think you only gave 2/5 because 1st you did not do any late game bosses (or even the middle game bosses) and 2nd played it on your own without any enemy players. Tell me if im wrong but it would be interesting for me to know how you tested it.

I didn't say it won't be fun. I'm saying it's too much based on Warcraft III material and compared to other maps of its kind it's not that special or different. My main gripe are the spells which are basically recycled and not even that differentiated between heroes as some have at least one same spell.

I admit it takes like 2-3 hours to get to the real late game and i dont think you did spend nearly that much amount of time testing it.

I did not because it would mean that much time doing almost the same thing.

Since you know triggering, would it be that problematic to enhance the current spells? Make some combos, something, you know, not leaving them exactly the same or with minor value changes.
And every player hero pretty much looks the same way. I don't know... play some RPGs and Arenas and get more inspiration. You should enhance this map more to get away from the hardcore old school.

 

[McZero]

Well okay i will enhance the spells and change them into something for some combos. But i must say it was kind of on purpose that the spells are so standard.


What i will do for next update:

1. I will do new hero spells and think of different spell combinations for my heroes and stuff. I will keep it kind of old school but try to make it more interesting. This inlcudes new tooltips for the spells with hotkeys and other fixings.
2. I will change the icons of the "Level 10" stacked items. I hope it is ok to keep the "Level 1-9" ones with the same icon as its just the same item but stacked.
3. I will get some different RPG- Models for my heroes, but i think it will still stay close to the villager model. (i think of variants or different skins, most Item models looked bad on other RPG Hero models that i tried to use before)
4. I will integrate another Random Boss in the Level areas in the middle of the map that will appear and be a hot spot for leveling. It will be timed between the arena fights and the strength and rewards for that boss are based on the current game time. I want to give players an additional impulse to have something to fight and do pvp for.

@deepstrasz as it will take some days maybe you can reply on my update- list to tell me if that could be good to get the map approved or if there is something significant missing in your opinion.

 

[deepstrasz]

as it will take some days maybe you can reply on my update- list to tell me if that could be good to get the map approved or if there is something significant missing in your opinion.

Hey, sure. Don't hurry. Make it worthwhile. The spells are the main problem. You don't have to totally overdo them just make the current ones more interesting (combos between one hero's spells, between heroes of different types etc.) and have each hero be unique. Don't make two heroes with the same spell especially when one is just named differently and has another icon.