Maw of Bedlam

[Havanen]

I will give this map a try. And OMG it's Woodenplank, just wanted to say I used to play your custom map called "The Rift" a lots back in old days, since I very like the setting, the lore and the beautiful terrain of that map.

 

[Woodenplank]

[...] I used to play your custom map called "The Rift" a lots back in old days, since I very like the setting, the lore and the beautiful terrain of that map.

Wait really? I didn't think anyone played that? Like... ever?

Either way, this map is decidedly more "down to earth" and much smaller. The Rift was inspired by large-scale event-based maps like Azeroth Wars or Lordaeron: The Fore/aftermath. This new one is more like... Broken Alliances I want to say?

Either way. Thanks for playing!

 

[deepstrasz]

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This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in use by Tempest of Sorrows Beta 0.1.0a
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Awaiting Update.

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[Woodenplank]

A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in use by Tempest of Sorrows Beta 0.1.0a
You can also upload your map here to generate a list: Asset scanner

Awaiting Update.

My bad, I thought an "in-game" credits list was enough - everyone whose work I've used is listed in Quest info. But I'll update the description, of course!

EDIT: Should be good now!

P.s. Since this is the first public version, I've neglected to create a changelog entry in the description. It'll come along as I upload improved versions.

 

[Yousef]

I thought that map looked familiar! It's Woodenplank!

 

[Woodenplank]

I thought that map looked familiar! It's Woodenplank!

Blast from the past!

Decided to take it up again. A much more casual editing project than all that LTF nonsense!

 

[Yousef]

Blast from the past!

Decided to take it up again. A much more casual editing project than all that LTF nonsense!

It's good to see you back!

 

[deepstrasz]

A nice multiplayer altered melee map masking as a strategy/risk one, however with gameplay extensively based on core game mechanics. There's some custom stuff but it's meager compared to the whole.

Approved.

 

[Scrungus]

Where did you get that snap dragon looking naga unit's model?

 

[Woodenplank]

Approved.

Thanks a lot!
Although this line confuses me a tad:

There's some custom stuff but it's meager compared to the whole.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Where did you get that snap dragon looking naga unit's model?

It used to be here on the Hive, but has apparently been removed. The author was -Grendel (who still has an account, it would seem) and the unit called "Bagnadrana."

 

[deepstrasz]

I'm not sure what you mean.

Like scripted abilities, gameplay mechanics.

 

[Woodenplank]

I've decided to rename the map Maw of Bedlam .

I know that's a rather confusing thing to do, but I never liked "Tempest of Sorrows" much, and it has little to do with the actual map - I just didn't know what else to call it at the time. So I figured better late than never!.
"Maw of Bedlam" at least refers to a feature of the map.

Uploaded a fresh version to celebrate. Also comes with several quality of life and balance changes.

 

[cleavinghammer]

A good start, though it could use some extra features to make it more fun to play.

My main suggestion would be to have computer-controlled spawned units attack-move to a randomly-chosen spawn point (not the same one each time) and buy unit upgrades, even if they don't use heroes.

Unit spawns should attack-move to the rally point of their spawner.

There should be a command to ping quest locations instead of waiting for the hint.

Towers don't give gold on being killed? / You can't rebuild towers?

Played as red, filled out the computer slots, but it gave me a victory on killing the yellow spawner.

Several passive abilities use the same icon, sometimes on the same unit.

Some tooltips are inaccurate: Naga Enchantress tooltip says she buffs allies, but only has debuffs, Deep One says it's good against buildings but has reduced damage, etc.

The deep purple color used on some tooltips (Despair, Quest Reward) is very hard to read.

 

[Woodenplank]

A good start, though it could use some extra features to make it more fun to play.

My main suggestion would be to have computer-controlled spawned units attack-move to a randomly-chosen spawn point (not the same one each time) and buy unit upgrades, even if they don't use heroes.

Unit spawns should attack-move to the rally point of their spawner.

There should be a command to ping quest locations instead of waiting for the hint.

Towers don't give gold on being killed? / You can't rebuild towers?

Played as red, filled out the computer slots, but it gave me a victory on killing the yellow spawner.

Several passive abilities use the same icon, sometimes on the same unit.

Some tooltips are inaccurate: Naga Enchantress tooltip says she buffs allies, but only has debuffs, Deep One says it's good against buildings but has reduced damage, etc.

The deep purple color used on some tooltips (Despair, Quest Reward) is very hard to read.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a few questions though;

• I intentionally left "Computer-allies" inert. In Single-Player testing you can command them yourself, and in multiplayer, being able to control leavers in team games is important.
• Units moving to rally point after spawning is probably a good idea. I'll implement it!
• Towers now give gold (for next patch)! They can't be rebuilt, so as not to drag out games with "turtling" in base.
• The victory condition only counts <Players>. I can probably disable it somehow, when only Computers are filling the game... Will look into it.
• Do you have some examples for these passives?
• I fixed the Enchantress tooltip (thanks) but I don't see anything in Deep One's tooltip about buildings? I just double checked.
• Noted on the color choice, I'll try to update these.

I've also made a "-Quests" command so you can ping the map any time.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Thing with the single player is that you can't really fight the AI players (well, you can, but your units auto-attack theirs and theirs don't auto-attack yours when you control them), or have to constantly take control-unally-take control-unally to get anywhere. Maybe have computer players run attack and upgrade scripts when there's only one human / FFA battles?

Icon: The orc scorpid has the same icon for its critical strike and multiattack, the naga hydra has the same icon for its damage aura as the mercenary gargoyle for its multiattack...

Deep One: My bad, I had it confused with a different unit that does have siege damage.

 

[Woodenplank]

Thing with the single player is that you can't really fight the AI players (well, you can, but your units auto-attack theirs and theirs don't auto-attack yours when you control them), or have to constantly take control-unally-take control-unally to get anywhere. Maybe have computer players run attack and upgrade scripts when there's only one human / FFA battles?

Ah, I see your predicament. Yes, when playing as (1) Red, you can't do it very well.

I was thinking of controlling e.g. Player (6) and matching against (your-control) Player (2), which DOES work (with auto-attacking).
I suppose I could do a rudimentary combat ai, that could be used for singleplayer testing, where you don't want to control the "computer" players yourself.

Icon: The orc scorpid has the same icon for its critical strike and multiattack, the naga hydra has the same icon for its damage aura as the mercenary gargoyle for its multiattack...

I'll swap those out for next version, thanks!

 

[cleavinghammer]

You could make it another test command, where every non-human player sets their spawner's rally point to a different player's spawn point and its units attack-move there on spawn. And also purchase spawn upgrades to make it harder as the game goes on.