Is Russia A Possible Threat?

[brad.dude03]

Yes, because normal Islam does not require you to kill yourself and take 20 others with you in order to get all of the infinite pleasures of the afterlife.

 

[PurplePoot]

This is turned into a religious debate, how did I see that coming?

Anyhow, brad, your user title fails -.- (Just noticed, yes I know...)

 

[brad.dude03]

Nay > Eh.

That's just the way it is.

 

[Gilles]

I'm confused right now, who did what and why and when and where? I'm confused...

I'm with you! I'm pretty sure what I have learned is pretty much true. If not, my text books were wrong, which I doubt.

Luckly I'm Dutch and at our nation it isn't fucked up. Deaths by guns: America 10.000+, Netherlands 350. Big difference. And we got weed, come and visit us.

Are you being sarcastic? I would say Netherlands, although a peaceful place, is pretty fucked up. Weed helping that cause. Although this is from a Christian point of view, and yours I'm sure is different.

 

[Shados]

Get back on topic.


That said, here's something completely different:

Okay okay we didn't need any CnP from wikipedia. We don't even know how to control plasma yet; it's just there. Same goes for Bose-Einstein Matter.

Sure we do. Remotely project and move electromagnetic fields.

-*meow*

 

[Pyritie]

Yes, but is that really a feasible weapon outside of a laboratory?

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Isn't that getting offtopic? It's about Russia not about techno stuff. Wanted to say that.

 

[Elenai]

Yes, but is that really a feasible weapon outside of a laboratory?

No, it isnt. The power requirement for controlling plasma (at this stage) is too large and bulky to be used anywhere but a lab.

Isn't that getting offtopic? It's about Russia not about techno stuff. Wanted to say that.

This coming from Divineboss of whom we know spams just about every thread known to Wolverabid!!!

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I knoooooow! It horrids even me! And now I have to say it agaaain: Elenai back to topic.

BtT: Worlds going to end one day. Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
By global warming or nuclear bombs.

 

[Elenai]

Or Armegeddon....

And we all passed up Russia as a threat a while ago...we concluded that they are not.

So now the thread has moved on to.....doomsday devices.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Ah ok hold on:

THREAD CHANGE:
DOOMSDAY DEVICES

That ok?

 

[Pyritie]

It's a wonder you still have a green gem at all.

 

[Elenai]

[21-11-24] iristle groans
[21-14-22] iristle wipes her mouth, and sucks on pyritie

Offtopic: By the BEARD of Antiquity??!!!

Ontopic: In what way could a nation possibly become such a threat that they could take over the earth's other nations?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Offtopic: By the BEARD of Antiquity??!!!

Her excuse is that she was that she painted Pyritie (who is a candle) with red and white stripes and a strawberry flavoring.

Ontopic: In what way could a nation possibly become such a threat that they could take over the earth's other nations?

A super super weapon? Perhaps some type of new technology that can render nukes obsolete?

 

[Elenai]

Her excuse is that she was that she painted Pyritie (who is a candle) with red and white stripes and a strawberry flavoring.

....an excuse our candle friend was sure to have enjoyed....That gave me a slight shock when I first read it.

But anyways...What kind of technology could deem nuclear weapons obsolete?

 

[TheDivineBoss]

....an excuse our candle friend was sure to have enjoyed....That gave me a slight shock when I first read it.

Did I missed it? Too bad. Wanted to see some good o' action in Chat.

BtT: Alien technology would do the trick but one problem: We didn't find any, yet.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Back to Russia. Is it a threat?

Let's see... they have nukes.

Anyone with nukes is a threat, whether willingly or not.

 

[Landy]

Ye we have nukes.. Many of them
But won't use them anyways.

 

[Hakeem]

Worlds going to end one day. Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
By global warming or nuclear bombs.

Global warming isn't going to destroy the planet, end all life on it, or end all human life on it.
As for nukes, even with the radiation, you're not going to end all human life anyway. Do you have any idea how hard it is to kill everyone?

About the only thing that could "end the world" or at least all human life, is an astronomical event. (And the sun isn't going to burn our planet for a long while yet.)

 

[Shados]

Yes, but is that really a feasible weapon outside of a laboratory?

....When did I mention a weapon =/? I just said we know how to control it.

-*meow*

 

[TheDivineBoss]

A few ways to destroy Earth:

A Site on Google says:

Total existence failure
You will need: nothing

Method: No method. Simply sit back and twiddle your thumbs as, completely by chance, all 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms making up the planet Earth suddenly, simultaneously and spontaneously cease to exist. Note: the odds against this actually ever occurring are considerably greater than a googolplex to one. Failing this, some kind of arcane (read: scientifically laughable) probability-manipulation device may be employed.


Gobbled up by strangelets
You will need: a stable strangelet

Method: Hijack control of the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider in Brookhaven National Laboratory, Long Island, New York. Use the RHIC to create and maintain a stable strangelet. Keep it stable for as long as it takes to absorb the entire Earth into a mass of strange quarks. Keeping the strangelet stable is incredibly difficult once it has absorbed the stabilizing machinery, but creative solutions may be possible.

A while back, there was some media hoo-hah about the possibility of this actually happening at the RHIC, but in actuality the chances of a stable strangelet forming are pretty much zero.

Earth's final resting place: a huge glob of strange matter.


Sucked into a microscopic black hole
You will need: a microscopic black hole. Note that black holes are not eternal, they evaporate due to Hawking radiation. For your average black hole this takes an unimaginable amount of time, but for really small ones it could happen almost instantaneously, as evaporation time is dependent on mass. Therefore you microscopic black hole must have greater than a certain threshold mass, roughly equal to the mass of Mount Everest. Creating a microscopic black hole is tricky, since one needs a reasonable amount of neutronium, but may possibly be achievable by jamming large numbers of atomic nuclei together until they stick. This is left as an exercise to the reader.

Method: simply place your black hole on the surface of the Earth and wait. Black holes are of such high density that they pass through ordinary matter like a stone through the air. The black hole will plummet through the ground, eating its way to the center of the Earth and all the way through to the other side: then, it'll oscillate back, over and over like a matter-absorbing pendulum. Eventually it will come to rest at the core, having absorbed enough matter to slow it down. Then you just need to wait, while it sits and consumes matter until the whole Earth is gone.

Highly, highly unlikely. But not impossible.

Earth's final resting place: a singularity of almost zero size, which will then proceed to happily orbit the Sun as normal.

Source: "The Dark Side Of The Sun," by Terry Pratchett. It is true that the microscopic black hole idea is an age-old science fiction mainstay which predates Pratchett by a long time, he was my original source for the idea, so that's what I'm putting.


Blown up by matter/antimatter reaction
You will need: 2,500,000,000,000 tons of antimatter

Antimatter - the most explosive substance possible - can be manufactured in small quantities using any large particle accelerator, but this will take some considerable time to produce the required amounts. If you can create the appropriate machinery, it may be possible - and much easier - simply to "flip" 2.5 trillion tons of matter through a fourth dimension, turning it all to antimatter at once.

Method: This method involves detonating a bomb so big that it blasts the Earth to pieces.

How hard is that?

The gravitational binding energy of a planet of mass M and radius R is - if you do the lengthy calculations - given by the formula E=(3/5)GM^2/R. For Earth, that works out to roughly 224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules. The Sun takes nearly a WEEK to output that much energy. Think about THAT.

To liberate that much energy requires the complete annihilation of around 2,500,000,000,000 tonnes of antimatter. That's assuming zero energy loss to heat and radiation, which is unlikely to be the case in reality: You'll probably need to up the dose by at least a factor of ten. Once you've generated your antimatter, probably in space, just launch it en masse towards Earth. The resulting release of energy (obeying Einstein's famous mass-energy equation, E=mc^2) should be sufficient to split the Earth into a thousand pieces.

Earth's final resting place: A second asteroid belt around the Sun.

Earliest feasible completion date: AD 2500. Of course, if it does prove possible to manufacture antimatter in the sufficiently large quantities you require - which is not necessarily the case - then smaller antimatter bombs will be around long before then.


Destroyed by vacuum energy detonation
You will need: a light bulb

Method: This is a fun one. Contemporary scientific theories tell us that what we may see as vacuum is only vacuum on average, and actually thriving with vast amounts of particles and antiparticles constantly appearing and then annihilating each other. It also suggests that the volume of space enclosed by a light bulb contains enough vacuum energy to boil every ocean in the world. Therefore, vacuum energy could prove to be the most abundant energy source of any kind. Which is where you come in. All you need to do is figure out how to extract this energy and harness it in some kind of power plant - this can easily be done without arousing too much suspicion - then surreptitiously allow the reaction to run out of control. The resulting release of energy would easily be enough to annihilate all of planet Earth and probably the Sun too.

Slightly possible.

Earth's final resting place: a rapidly expanding cloud of particles of varying size.

Earliest feasible completion date: 2060 or so.

Source: "3001: The Final Odyssey," by Arthur C. Clarke


Sucked into a giant black hole
You will need: a black hole, extremely powerful rocket engines, and, optionally, a large rocky planetary body. The nearest black hole to our planet is 1600 light years from Earth in the direction of Sagittarius, orbiting V4641.

Method: after locating your black hole, you need get it and the Earth together. This is likely to be the most time-consuming part of this plan. There are two methods, moving Earth or moving the black hole, though for best results you'd most likely move both at once.

Very difficult, but definitely possible.

Earth's final resting place: part of the mass of the black hole.

Earliest feasible completion date: I do not expect the necessary technology to be available until AD 3000, and add at least 800 years for travel time. (That's in an external observer's frame of reference and assuming you move both the Earth and the black hole at the same time.)

Sources: "The Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy," by Douglas Adams; SPACE


Meticulously and systematically deconstructed
You will need: a powerful mass driver, or ideally lots of them; ready access to roughly 2*10^32J

Method: Basically, what we're going to do here is dig up the Earth, a big chunk at a time, and boost the whole lot of it into orbit. Yes. All six sextillion tons of it. A mass driver is a sort of oversized electromagnetic railgun, which was once proposed as a way of getting mined materials back from the Moon to Earth - basically, you just load it into the driver and fire it upwards in roughly the right direction. We'd use a particularly powerful model - big enough to hit escape velocity of 11 kilometers per second even after atmospheric considerations - and launch it all into the Sun or randomly into space.

Alternate methods for boosting the material into space include loading the extracted material into space shuttles or taking it up via space elevator. All these methods, however, require a - let me emphasize this - titanic quantity of energy to carry out. Building a Dyson sphere ain't gonna cut it here. (Note: Actually, it would. But if you have the technology to build a Dyson sphere, why are you reading this?) See No. 6 for a possible solution.

If we wanted to and were willing to devote resources to it, we could start this process RIGHT NOW. Indeed, what with all the gunk left in orbit, on the Moon and heading out into space, we already have done.

Earth's final resting place: Many tiny pieces, some dropped into the Sun, the remainder scattered across the rest of the Solar System.

Earliest feasible completion date: Ah. Yes. At a billion tons of mass driven out of the Earth's gravity well per second: 189,000,000 years.

Source: this method arose when Joe Baldwin and I knocked our heads together by accident.


Pulverized by impact with blunt instrument
You will need: a big heavy rock, something with a bit of a swing to it... perhaps Mars

Method: Essentially, anything can be destroyed if you hit it hard enough. ANYTHING. The concept is simple: find a really, really big asteroid or planet, accelerate it up to some dazzling speed, and smash it into Earth, preferably head-on but whatever you can manage. The result: an absolutely spectacular collision, resulting hopefully in Earth (and, most likely, our "cue ball" too) being pulverized out of existence - smashed into any number of large pieces which if the collision is hard enough should have enough energy to overcome their mutual gravity and drift away forever, never to coagulate back into a planet again.

A brief analysis of the size of the object required can be found here. Falling at the minimal impact velocity of 11 kilometers per second and assuming zero energy loss to heat and other energy forms, the cue ball would have to have roughly 60% of the mass of the Earth. Mars, the next planet out, "weighs" in at about 11% of Earth's mass, while Venus, the next planet in and also the nearest to Earth, has about 81%. Assuming that we would fire our cue ball into Earth at much greater than 11km/s (I'm thinking more like 50km/s), either of these would make great possibilities.

Obviously a smaller rock would do the job, you just need to fire it faster. A 10,000,000,000,000-tonne asteroid at 90% of light speed would do just as well. See the Guide to moving Earth for useful information on maneuvering big hunks of rock across interplanetary distances.

Pretty plausible.

Earth's final resting place: a variety of roughly Moon-sized chunks of rock, scattered haphazardly across the greater Solar System.

Earliest feasible completion date: AD 2500, maybe?

Source: This method suggested by Andy Kirkpatrick


Eaten by von Neumann machines
You will need: a single von Neumann machine

Method: A von Neumann machine is any device that is capable of creating an exact copy of itself given nothing but the necessary raw materials. Create one of these that subsists almost entirely on iron, magnesium, aluminum and silicon, the major elements found in Earth's mantle and core. It doesn't matter how big it is as long as it can reproduce itself exactly in any period of time. Release it into the ground under the Earth's crust and allow it to fend for itself. Watch and wait as it creates a second von Neumann machine, then they create two more, then they create four more. As the population of machines doubles repeatedly, the planet Earth will, terrifyingly soon, be entirely eaten up and turned into a swarm of potentially sextillions of machines. Technically your objective would now be complete - no more Earth - but if you want to be thorough then you can command your VNMs to hurl themselves, along with any remaining trace elements, into the Sun. This hurling would have to be achieved using rocket propulsion of some sort, so be sure to include this in your design.

So crazy it might just work.

Earth's final resting place: the bodies of the VNMs themselves, then a small lump of iron sinking into the Sun.

Earliest feasible completion date: Potentially 2045-2050, or even earlier.

Source: "2010: Odyssey Two," by Arthur C. Clarke


Hurled into the Sun
You will need: Earthmoving equipment

Method: Hurl the Earth into the Sun. Sending Earth on a collision course with the Sun is not as easy as one might think; even though you don't actually have to literally hit the Sun (send the Earth near enough to the Sun (within the Roche limit), and tidal forces will tear it apart), it's surprisingly easy to end up with Earth in a loopy elliptical orbit which merely roasts it for four months in every eight. But careful planning can avoid this.

This is impossible at our current technological level, but will be possible one day, I'm certain. In the meantime, may happen by freak accident if something comes out of nowhere and randomly knocks Earth in precisely the right direction. Earth's final resting place: a small globule of vaporized iron sinking slowly into the heart of the Sun.

Earliest feasible completion date: Via act of God: 25 years' time. Any earlier and we'd have already spotted the asteroid in question. Via human intervention: given the current level of expansion of space technology, 2250 at best.

Source: "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers," by Grant Naylor

 

[Mecheon]

A few ways to destroy Earth:

Yes, and this has exactly WHAT to do with the topic?

How's about you use the godsdamned tags to hide that mess before we give you a little more than your infraction?

Get back to the bloody topic people

 

[Pyritie]

We've already tried. If you've read the thread we've concluded that no, russia itself isn't that much of a threat.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Or do we need to repeat the whole 227 posts again?! Hope not.

 

[Elenai]

....The way to destroy everyone....A massive plague, and then to create a second plague that will kill the immune survivors.

Russia is not a threat.......(this way I am still technically on topic when I say "Russia is not a threat")

 

[Hakeem]

You forget that you must spread the second plague, but there are fewer humans, so it cannot spread as fast, or at all depending on how big the first plague was.

 

[Elenai]

With an automated system you can spread them at seperate time rates. Depending on certain variables set into the system to set off the activation.

(Russia is not a threat)

 

[ankaboot]

Gilles: I thought violence was in their Koran? I posted previously about this.

What you posted was about defense against actual aggression and was entirely out of context and twisted. That's mostly what you will find on sites like that one.

You may be right, but regardless, they don't do anything to stop the extremists. Why don't Muslims protest what other ones are doing?

They do. You don't hear about it because it doesn't suit the agenda of the owners of the western media.

 

[ankaboot]

Teh_Ephy: That better not lead to anybody saying that the US shouldn't have used the nukes against Japan in WWII.

The Soviet armies were staged in Manchuria, ready to invade Japan from the east while the US forces invaded from the west, so that Japan could be partitioned like Germany had been divided, the Americans controlling one sector and the Soviets controlling another. Had Truman not dropped the bombs, the Soviets would have had half the country of Japan. There was no other reason to drop the bombs other than to prevent the Soviets from gaining half of Japan.

Japan was already defeated, Japanese forces had been obliterated all over the Pacific and everywhere else outside Japan itself, and there were no supplies able to reach Japan because of land and naval blockades. There were very few Japanese left in Japan who were capable of bearing arms, and there was almost no ammunition ~ invading forces would have been opposed with pitchforks, bows and arrows, and rocks. By the time the Soviets were ready to get on the ships to invade from the east, the war was over, it was simply a mopping-up exercise. At that point, Truman sent the bombs.

So you decide whether America should or should not have dropped the bombs.

 

[Landy]

There's no idea why Russia should attack USA.. That's stupid. Just wait, USA will collapse on it's own weight

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

You don't hear about it because it doesn't suit the agenda of the owners of the western media.

AKA FAUX News. And don't double post.

 

[Hakeem]

There's no idea why Russia should attack USA.. That's stupid. Just wait, USA will collapse on it's own weight

So you can tell who the next president is going to be?

 

[Elenai]

We are collapsing...And when we go...the world will be dragged down with us. (because we are connected to the world economically and ect)

 

[Gilles]

There's no idea why Russia should attack USA.. That's stupid. Just wait, USA will collapse on it's own weight

Yes it will. The reason? Birth rate. Already most of Europe is sliding along with Canada. The US are holding on though. Bush has helped there, being pro-life.

This is old, but whatever.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/27/world/main546441.shtml

 

[Hakeem]

We are collapsing...And when we go...the world will be dragged down with us. (because we are connected to the world economically and ect)

If we continue to elect idiots that ignore the real problems then we will.

 

[brad.dude03]

Pro-Life, yeah whatever. Bullshit if you ask me.

Canada's birthrate is doing fine if you ask me...

And anyway, who gives if Europe is tasteful and has less kids? WE've got China and India for baby-making.

 

[ankaboot]

Gilles: Then why the hell would "Kill the Infidel" be in their Koran?

There is no such thing in the Qur'an. The word "infidel" is a Christian term and there is no corresponding word in the Arabic Qur'an.

How did Muhammad spread his religion? By the sword.

That's entirely, 100% false. He was invited to come to Madinah from Makkah, and was chosen by the people of Madinah to be their political authority. After that, the leaders of Makkah attacked the muslims at Madinah, and the muslims defended themselves not once, not twice, but three times in just a few years, and the attackers were defeated. Then there was a treaty between the muslims and the Makkans, which was broken by the leaders of Makkah. And just as the Bible says, "He came from Paran with ten thousand saints, a fiery law in his hand," and Makkah ~ from which the muslims had been driven out from their ancestral homes ~ was defeated without bloodshed. Then, a couple of years later, Muhammad died.

So what you have said is completely false.

 

[Gilles]

Pro-Life, yeah whatever. Bullshit if you ask me.

Canada's birthrate is doing fine if you ask me...

And anyway, who gives if Europe is tasteful and has less kids? WE've got China and India for baby-making.

For now it's "fine". It's going steadily downward.

Yeah that's true, that's why Canada continues to grow, through immigration. Although eventually there won't be much/any whites in Canada.

@ankaboot: We better get on-topic. You are correct, Infidel is not in the Qur'an, it uses a different word, obviously it can't perfectly be translated. I also better read more on Muhammad, but I've heard/read different than what you said.

 

[ankaboot]

Gilles: Oh and I'll read up on Mohammad, but I'm still pretty sure he went to Mecca and killed the people that kicked him out.

No. At the time of the conquest of Makkah there were twelve people who had been sentenced to death because of their crimes against muslims. None of them were killed, and most of them were pardoned. On that day, the people knew that the muslims were returning to Makkah, and they stayed behind their doors at home. There was no bloodshed, and Makkah since that day has been a muslim city.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, Gilles, you're hearing a heavily biased view of things, as the Q'uran contains nothing about violence.

The extremists all act on their own, believing they will recieve "40 virgins" in the afterlife for their dasterdly deeds.

Therev are 5 pillars of Islam, the principles of how to live your life. The extremists created this 6th Pillar called Jihad, and it contains all of their extreme notions. Notice that this 6th pillar is competely fictional and is not part of Islam, but they use it as a means to justify their ends, at leats in their eyes, as no one else buys it.

 

[ankaboot]

Elenai: The use of strict muslim law is what they use to the control the populations my friend..and yes they also ignore crucial parts of Islam to further their goals.

"Strict muslim law" does not allow anyone to control anyone else against their will, period. What they use is secular law, which predicates that even though I have no right to exercise any control over you whatsoever, I can "delegate" that "right" (that I don't have to delegate) to someone else, so that they can control you.

You know something about Pauline Christianity. You know very little about Islam. You should stick with what you know.

 

[Landy]

o.0 Birth rate? What's wrong with birth rate?

And btw.. where did this stupid joke come from? Something like *in soviet russia cat burns you* or *in soviet russia gun shoots you*.. Wtf? o.0

 

[Pyritie]

And btw.. where did this stupid joke come from? Something like *in soviet russia cat burns you* or *in soviet russia gun shoots you*.. Wtf? o.0

I'm guessing 4chan... all the wtf jokes of the internet come from there.

And ankaboot, could you use

tags or use the Quote button? It makes it easier to read.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

In soviet Russia, bomb makes YOU!!

In Soviet Russia, bomb is father of YOU!

You know, it's funny, as I continue to read this, all of our countries seem to have similar problems and don't seem to be all that different after all.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I made the ''In Soviet Russia, guns shoot YOU!!'' one
Always start with ''In America,..'' too.
Here's a classic example:

In America, you always can find a party.
In Soviet Russia, the Party finds YOU!!

And someone said here that there will be a war of a unknown vast size in 2050. I'm agreeding with that. Battle about resources soon people and someone is going to throw the nukes.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

And someone said here that there will be a war of a unknown vast size in 2050. I'm agreeding with that. Battle about resources soon people and someone is going to throw the nukes.

Not if our generation takes action and begins a new revolution of grass roots and peaceful politics. If we don't let maturing into adults corrupt our sense of righteousness, then we can make a difference in each of the places in which we live. That way, by 2050, power-hungry and war-steadfast politicians will be out of office. However, I do not think that war is capable of being eradicated. There will always be war, whether it turns into subtle wars of economic suffocation or into a nuclear age, it will always exist.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

But eventually we (our generation) will screw up this generation so the next generation have to catch up our faults and etc. We WILL destroy Earth one a certain date with a certain reason and a certain way. Nukes or global warming.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

But eventually we (our generation) will screw up this generation so the next generation have to catch up our faults and etc. We WILL destroy Earth one a certain date with a certain reason and a certain way. Nukes or global warming.

Pessimistic Armageddonist!

haha, no really. You very well could be right. Lets TRY though and be optimistic that human perfectibility has some (.001%) fighting chance of lasting until the Earth is no longer capable of providing a safe habitat

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Let's immigrate to that planet where I can't remind the name off but the planet is almost the same as Earth!

Start the I-Destroyed-Earth-By-Immigration sequence!

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

haha what are you talking about?! You must be smoking something. Oh wait, you are! I see it in your signature.