Is Russia A Possible Threat?

[Jacek]

according to thread title

my opinion:

USA is a way greater threat than Russia. How to defeat a country you don't like? Tell USA that some country has oil, YAY MARINES GOGO ATTACK

 

[Hakeem]

Then why the hell would "Kill the Infidel" be in their Koran?

In what context?

Read history. How did Muhammad spread his religion? By the sword. How did Jesus? Love.

No.
No.
No.
Simply not true.
He did not force anyone to become Muslim.
No.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I wonder what politic subjet hasn't been compared with religion. Except atheist ones...

 

[Elenai]

No.
No.
No.
Simply not true.
He did not force anyone to become Muslim.
No.

It is true that both Christianity and Islam are peaceful in majority, and their are extremists in both that are utterly ignorant.

But to clear up some things.

Muhammed was not only a religous leader but a political one, and so he may have "MAY" have used the sword to bring Mecca to Islam...But I am not for certain. Islam is a peaceful religion in the right hands. As is Christianity.

Christ did not use violence to bring people to eternal salvation. So like Islam, Christianity is peaceful in the right hands. An example of this was the Arabs after Muhammed spreading Islam when they conquered the Arab areas in the Middle ages. An example of this is also the Christian way being spread when Europe imperialized. And it was not for God or in the name of Christ or in the name of spreading Christ that they spread it when they conquered. It was in the name of material possessions and land that they really did it. Just as any empire does. When they spread their religion went with them.

It was in the hands of certain groups after these leaders, combined with greed, and other carnal things. That they were able to use these religions for violence.

I wonder what politic subjet hasn't been compared with religion. Except atheist ones...

If you mean "political structure" then Scocialism/Communism is usually compared to Atheism.

But back on topic....Russia, is not a threat.

 

[brad.dude03]

Actually Muhammed used the religion of Islam to unite the warring Arabs, ceasing fighting that had been going on for ages.

 

[PurplePoot]

Read history. How did Muhammad spread his religion? By the sword. How did Jesus? Love.

One of the real religions Christianity/Roman Catholicism became popular was because of it being forced on the Romans by one or two Catholic emperors that got into power (then the rest of the following emperors were Catholic as a result)

"By the sword"

So even if Muhammad did, Catholicism didn't do any better.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

It's all allways just a ''Do it or experience the consequences''-thing. Don't want to tire my hands by typing long examples.

 

[Elenai]

One of the real religions Christianity/Roman Catholicism became popular was because of it being forced on the Romans by one or two Catholic emperors that got into power (then the rest of the following emperors were Catholic as a result)

"By the sword"

So even if Muhammad did, Catholicism didn't do any better.

Dont forget to mention the Christian suffering under the pagan Emperors.

And yes while Islam did use the sword, Catholicism did'nt do any better. BUT!!! As said before the majority was peaceful. A minority used it as a weapon. And the people being devout were also used through the minority.

Similar to how today terrorist minorities are able to radicalize peaceful or moderates into evil action.

 

[Gilles]

Huh, I was reading some stuff on the net. I read that infidel is not isn't even in the Koran at all. There are some common misunderstandings along those lines, but this is only one compared to the many things I've read saying the opposite. But, I may be persuaded yet.

Oh and I'll read up on Mohammad, but I'm still pretty sure he went to Mecca and killed the people that kicked him out.

 

[Kjiverx]

Russia is no longer a threat, at least for the time being. they had no economy in 1990 and they have no economy now. but they could easily become dangerous:

Do they have nukes? yes

Do they have missiles? yes

Do they have a reason to kill everyone? no, and you don't need a reason to start nuclear holocaust.

Are they dumbass pacifists like most Americans? no

will they be around once America collapses in ~about 30 years? Hell Yes!


I know this is from the first page, but i wanted to address it.

War is a relic of the past, we need to stop it.

Guess where the internet came from? DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

guess where the jet engine came from? DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

Guess where the first computer was used? BRITISH CODEBREAKERS during WW2

guess where the rocket was developed? GERMANY during WW2

war is where technology comes from. pacifists are where being conquered comes from.

 

[brad.dude03]

Pacifism ftw. War solves nothing.

Sure, we got rockets, but 6.5 million Jews died for it.

Not a fair price if you ask me.

 

[Hakeem]

Did you forget the other most important field?
Health.
A lot of advancement comes from medical technology too.
Weapons and medicine get most of the budget.
Don't think that we need war in order to advanced.

 

[Elenai]

War is the great selector....It gives and it takes.

We advance in certain ways through war...but we die in the process.

War will always be around, you cannot get rid of it. We can only make it less likley. Thus, defense budgets, and military advancement will always be needed. But it must be balanced with the issues of peace.

Because just as war will always be until the end of time...so will peace.

 

[Infinitynexus]

In Soviet Russia, Your Father Is The Bomb!

 

[Pyritie]

I always thought the internet was made by universities wanting to share data easily. Either that or by a bunch of various countries. Not solely the US.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I give you one simple question for you to answer: Why do we have war?
Please post a 5 line answer.

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5 lines

 

[seruk]

Read history. How did Muhammad spread his religion? By the sword. How did Jesus? Love

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No.

No.

No.

NO.

And BTW sala al din only fought the christians because they made very MANY sins... and the turks killed people for political reasons....

Yeah and he took Jerusalem and booted everyone that wasn't muslim right? No wait. God damn it man play your AoE 2.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I'm confused right now, who did what and why and when and where? I'm confused...

 

[brad.dude03]

Pyritie, I think you're right.

Perhaps the underlying foundations for the internet were established then, but I think Oxford was sending information to other universities, and that was it's primary usage back in the day.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

In Soviet Russia, the wanted terrorist on the top of the list is YOU!!

Edit: Got something for ya.

In America, you catch a cold.
In Soviet Russia, cold catches you!

In America, you can always find a party.
In Soviet Russia, the Party finds you!

 

[brad.dude03]

The second one was far better than the first.

None the less, it is useless spam as it has nothing at all to do with the topic, besides the fact that they are jokes about Russia. Remain on topic or I will be forced to give you MORE negative rep.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I give you one simple question for you to answer: Why do we have war?
Please post a 5 line answer.

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5 lines

Conflict
Competition
Collaboration

It only took three.

 

[Shados]

guess where the jet engine came from? DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

guess where the rocket was developed? GERMANY during WW2

China, in the 11th century, actually.

war is where technology comes from. pacifists are where being conquered comes from.

And guess what? War's major advances were made for civilian use originally, for instance: gunpowder was used for fireworks by the Chinese, and nuclear bombs developed out of previously peaceful research into radioactivity.

-*meow*

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I wonder what the world would be like when there's no:
-War
-Religion
-Divided countries so the whole world is one nation
-Bush or Terrorists
-Greenpeace
-No oil
-No Anti-Greenpeace

Some examples.

 

[robot-dude]

^ wrong ! No Religion would mean "Peace on Earth"

Religious's Belives cause mainly wars.

So remove the "Religion's" Then "Bush & Terroist" then "Power Hungry Men" Then "Gypse's" then "Red Necks" Then the world would be a better place.

 

[DrSick]

war sucks

did u knew that any second a nuke can be launched . even if it is a false alarm
those suckers are holdin their finger from the launcher bar and just wait to launch a nuke

 

[robot-dude]

Too behonest Russia aint a threat, and the most threat would be

Iran/Iraq (Will just blow up their selfs too kill of a few parts of countrys)
Amerika (Will cause the end of the world)
Japan (Crazy little people)
Chinse (Death Clouds - Caused by Polution)

 

[Pyritie]

I seriously doubt that. And remember that the nuke has a computer in it so they can divert it somewhere if need be.

And don't forget about anti-ballistic missles.

 

[robot-dude]

Yes but as the years past science is being used to improve the Weapons, and if russia are creating "plasma Weapon" the Americans must be at least creating a Stealth Nuke or a satalite that can't be detected by any system which can be used to destroy any place with the right cords.

So either any rich countrys would be a threat yes that major means "England" but our goverment is rapidly being corrupted by the "Iran" Goverment because our goverment have to do what ever the iran goverment says to keep them help so we can have peace.

And in "Iran" women still have no Right to Vote, and Which still shouldent happen in this time and stage of life.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Do you even know what plasma is?

 

[robot-dude]

In physics and chemistry, a plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. "Ionized" refers to presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.

Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds (e.g. stars) or charged ion beams, but may also include dust and grains (called dusty plasmas).[1] They are typically formed by heating and ionizing a gas, stripping electrons away from atoms, thereby enabling the positive and negative charges to move more freely.

 

[Pyritie]

Okay okay we didn't need any CnP from wikipedia. We don't even know how to control plasma yet; it's just there. Same goes for Bose-Einstein Matter.

 

[robot-dude]

I knew what plasma was but i really couldent be bothed to type it my self as i can take as less type by typing the word "Plasma" into my address bar and getting the info within 30secs.

 

[Pyritie]

Yes, but do you understand what it is?

 

[robot-dude]

Its like a Magnet but react's differently too a Magnet.

Its Basic 101 Science.

 

[brad.dude03]

Anyway, nukes will never be used. Ever. Why? It'll screw over the whole world and spell the end of civilization and possibly life as we know it. Everyone will get dragged in, and fire nukes at eachother, and then boom, everyone get's screwed. It's just not feasable.

 

[robot-dude]

Yes but when "Human's" Kill each other or die the next Evolution will begin, and the world will have time too regrow resources.

So either way if we keep this planet alive till we all die. This planet will be fine for future evolution.

 

[Elenai]

Religious's Belives cause mainly wars.

Just for the record. Religous beliefs DONOT cause wars. They can be/are used as tools and excuses in wars that are caused by other things like greed or other political purposes. Anything can be used as a tool or excuse, even religion. But they do not cause war. ALL war is politics.

So please. Stop saying that if religion was abolished that the world would be "O' so utterly perfect and better" Because I highly take offense at that because it is not only completely false, but it is derogotory towards religous beliefs. Thankyou for your time and patience.

Now then. Nuclear weapons will never be used as a means of winning wars, just as WILL said. Nuclear weapons are pretty much just there so that other nations will not use them against you in fear of retaliation. The only people that would ever consider it, is terrorist groups, and even then only the major nut cases even by terrorist standards.

And also, even if evolution was true (I personally dont believe in it) It would take millions upon millions of years even without a highly mutated radioactive environment (radiation causes negative mutation in most cases like the problems caused after Hiroshima and Nagasaki) for it to even rebuild the very basic rudementary lifeforms needed to sustain a working ecosystem.

 

[robot-dude]

Now a days its greed, Power Hungry, and yes i agree with the main fact now its not religious but back when it was

Romanen TimeZone
Medieval TimeZone

Wars was because of religious now its too get rid of it, and for power.

 

[Elenai]

Nah...Even the crusades were not "religous"...infact religion was simply used to get the people behind it, and it was used as an excuse. A big reason was the spice routes. After Europe won a few crusades...the first thing was to open the roads to the east, and to the lucrative spice trade. Also the east was full of treasures that the Arabs had.

The wars now are still about power. Islamic terrorists want power. And they are using strict Islam as a tool to gain and keep power in the east.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Greed, religion and power and weapons is equal to global warfare.

 

[robot-dude]

Iran/Iraq goverment is highly corrupted, and they are starting too corrupt the "British Goverment" soon we will be as corrupted as "American's Goverment"

And i agreee

Americans + Religious People + Weapons + Greed + Power = World Domination

 

[Elenai]

Religion is not equal to global warfare. It never was.

Greed is the scource. A lust for power, a lust for wealth.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Luckly I'm Dutch and at our nation it isn't fucked up. Deaths by guns: America 10.000+, Netherlands 350. Big difference. And we got weed, come and visit us.

 

[Elenai]

...of course the Netherlands could fit about 3000 of itself inside the United States.

 

[robot-dude]

We only have like 2 deaths by guns like every month or year.

Because we are not like americans we fight with out fists not with weapons...

And I also agree but if you do get the religious people behind you, and you will be most powerful because if you know how many religious people are in 1 country you will know how strong your force will be.

 

[Elenai]

What better way to use the people, than to through their spirit.

It just depends on who is using them. They can be used for a good cause, or an evil one...

For example...

A man could use Christianity to raise up a people against an oppressive government, or to free a nation, or to aid a starving ethnic group in Africa...

But a man could also use Christianity to radicalize a group to create a bloody war...and in the process defile the religion he used to radicalize the people.

The same can be said of any other religion.

 

[robot-dude]

An evil one, you could use the Religious population too take over the "Goverment" or Clean the streets rid of "Gangsta's/Chav's/Wigers/Plats" then you could then march them into battle saying that the other country said their "Religious beliefs" are all fake and other stuff.

 

[Hakeem]

The wars now are still about power. Islamic terrorists want power. And they are using strict Islam as a tool to gain and keep power in the east.

No, strict Islam would prevent any suicide.
They ignore very important parts of Islam to become terrorists.

 

[Elenai]

The use of strict muslim law is what they use to the control the populations my friend..and yes they also ignore crucial parts of Islam to further their goals.