Is Russia A Possible Threat?

[Pyritie]

We're not talking about islam at all. Now we're talking about the armageddon.

TDB, you mean one of Jupiter's moons?

 

[TheDivineBoss]

How do I know. I just read once about a planet which was found recently and has the same attributes as Earth.

 

[Zerpentos]

War is a relic of the past, we need to stop it.

This is very true, but if war is stopped, humanity would become dormant.

Russia is as big of a threat warringly as China is economically. This could be due to both countries being communist. (Unless this has changed, please forgive and correct me.)

Russia could have also built the bomb due to fear of invasion; a reason that inspired Rome to become the greatest empire the world ever knew.

 

[Gilles]

I don't think Russia is "communist" by title, they tried to implement democracy. They pretty much are with Putin in there though.

 

[brad.dude03]

Russia is no longer communist. It may not be 100% democratic, but it certainly isn't communist.

And BTW the joke that Landy is talking about is called the "Russian Reversal" and it was created by a Russian comedian called Yakov Smirnoff, and contrary to the apart belief, it did not originate on 4Chan, but rather it came from a standup set this guy was doing.

It's now a catch-all phrase for how messed up society is.

 

[Hakeem]

And someone said here that there will be a war of a unknown vast size in 2050. I'm agreeding with that. Battle about resources soon people and someone is going to throw the nukes.

Nukes would not be the weapon of choice when fighting for resources, because you kinda want your resources not destroyed or radioactive.
Nukes just aren't useful for war at all.

This is very true, but if war is stopped, humanity would become dormant.

What do you mean "dormant"?

 

[Gilles]

Russia is no longer communist. It may not be 100% democratic, but it certainly isn't communist.

And BTW the joke that Landy is talking about is called the "Russian Reversal" and it was created by a Russian comedian called Yakov Smirnoff, and contrary to the apart belief, it did not originate on 4Chan, but rather it came from a standup set this guy was doing.

It's now a catch-all phrase for how messed up society is.

It's going back to communism. They elected an X KGB, and there has been foreshadowing of Soviet Russia coming back.

 

[PurplePoot]

In Soviet Russia, Ex-KGB elects YOU!!

You had it coming.

Anyways, you never know... communism, or just dictatorship?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Anyways, you never know... communism, or just dictatorship?

It can be both. Communism just means there's no such thing as private property in the place.

 

[Gilles]

In Soviet Russia, Ex-KGB elects YOU!!

You had it coming.

Anyways, you never know... communism, or just dictatorship?

I highly doubt it would just be dictatorship. He was ex-KGB. People often have a hard time changing, people in democratic countries couldn't think of living under Communism, and visa-versa (spelling?). I heard that some royal lady from Russia went to the US and was scared. There was too much freedom, she didn't understand how it didn't collapse. I think some, if not most, Russians prefer Communism.

 

[Landy]

Communism is always better. I want it back =) But it requires really strong leader, and there are no such leaders around at this time
Just these damn dolls. >:E
But Russia will never turn back to Communism, that really sux. They are trying to make some good 'so called' Democracy. That's stupid. Just like in USA. Why say people that they are free and can even influence (Oo is that right word? oO) the goverment. People will never have rights to do anything. Goverments are always too corrupted and they don't care about people. Democracy is the stupidiest thing in the world i think.
T_T

 

[Hakeem]

If the average person has no say in what happens, then decisions made by the government can get much worse.
Any system that gives a group of people too much power inevitably fails.
That's why Americans have the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

One word that binds all nations, communists and capitalists, terrorists and democrats and the one thing that drives us human beings: Money.
Yes people, the green stuff. Greenies, quids, dollars, euros, eutjes, pounds YOU NAME IT. People live with it and people die with it. It consumes us all, even more then WoW!

 

[Pyritie]

Green? The US is like one of the only countries that makes all its notes the same color.

 

[brad.dude03]

It's true, every bill has a different DISTINCT colour here in Canada. Whenever we see US money it all looks the same

And Divine, that's not true, as socialism/communism try to eliminate the need and chokehold that money has on people.

 

[Elenai]

....Even communism cannot wrest mammon from the greedy hearts of man...Fore even communists are subject to the lord of greed.

 

[Pyritie]

It's true, every bill has a different DISTINCT colour here in Canada. Whenever we see US money it all looks the same

Euroes are so colorful... a shame we're still stuck with only 3 (occasionally you see the 4th floating around) notes... £5, £10, and £20...

 

[brad.dude03]

Har, we have 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar bills

 

[Hakeem]

One word that binds all nations, communists and capitalists, terrorists and democrats and the one thing that drives us human beings: Money.
Yes people, the green stuff. Greenies, quids, dollars, euros, eutjes, pounds YOU NAME IT. People live with it and people die with it. It consumes us all, even more then WoW!

Almost. It's not greed either. It's power. Money seems to be where most power comes from, so I can see where you could confuse it.

 

[Elenai]

Power is not the root of evil...It is greed.

Because a lust for power, is greed. A lust for money is also greed. And those who seek wealth, will seek power along with it.

Fore how else can you fulfill your hunger for wealth, unless you have the power to take it?

Anyways.....(to keep myself technically on topic "Russia is'nt a threat")

 

[Hakeem]

Wanting to rule the world would be greed for power, wanting power isn't greed, just as wanting to eat is not greed. Wanting to eat extra, or wanting extra power is greed.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

One word that binds all nations, communists and capitalists, terrorists and democrats and the one thing that drives us human beings: Money.
Yes people, the green stuff. Greenies, quids, dollars, euros, eutjes, pounds YOU NAME IT. People live with it and people die with it. It consumes us all, even more then WoW!

Uh huh... yeah, and you DO know what communism is, right? Didn't think so.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Nope, I don't know what Communism is really about though. But I do know one thing about Communism: They screwed it up.

 

[brad.dude03]

Communism is an impossibly perfect system, it can never work.

 

[Razorbrain]

wait wait wait

so the russians have created something more powerfull than the Fusion Bomb?

EDIT : Communism is a verison of Socialism that tries to acomplish Socialism through revolution

Socialism was originally created when the workers of some factories decided that the owners took too much of the income, so they wanted that the income of the factory should be divided equally through the workers.

 

[brad.dude03]

Actually, no. Communism is just a more extreme form of Socialism.

Where Communism abolishes private business entirely, Socialism leaves room for some.

Basically, Socialism can be accomplished in Democracy, while Communism requires a whole new dictator-centric government.

 

[Razorbrain]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

believe brad

believe

 

[Elenai]

Fusion Bomb.....

Would'nt a fusion bomb...not be a bomb...considering it would'nt explode?

Or am I getting my physics a little screwy? (it has been a while since I have studied it)

 

[Razorbrain]

a fusion bomb is basicly 2 fission bombs put together to create a explosion >1000x more powerfull

 

[Elenai]

.....Would'nt that just be two fission bombs?

 

[brad.dude03]

What am I supposed to believe again?

 

[TheDivineBoss]

That fussion/fission bombs are dangerous and the moral of this threat is that Russia is almost no longer a threat to the remaining society of the rest of the world?

 

[Landy]

Ask pitakebab he knows everything about russia and it's threat.

 

[SimonKurciski]

There seems to be some confusion about what fission/fusion is.

Fission is when you get energy by blasting atomic nuclei apart. Fusion is when you take to atoms and combine them, but there is some left over matter, which turns to energy.

There is no such thing as a fusion bomb....yet. I don't think anyone has built a fusion reacttor that can generate more energy than you have to put into it to combine atoms.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I read once about a 17 year old kid who build in his basement his own fusion reactor and his dad didn't even notice it! How cool is that?! But in the end when he got caught they took it away.

And how do you know all this? Googled/Wikied or just plain smart?

 

[Pyritie]

It's called 8th grade physics.

And did you read that from a chain mail or TV? Uh-huh.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Nope, a newssite called www.nu.nl

 

[Elenai]

Never trust the internet.....

 

[Cheeder]

I'm not trying to be a jerk but shouldn't this thread be in "Medivh's Tower"?

Factoid
E-bombs destroy all electrical circuits (anything with electrcity running though it) while leaving organic material intact and neutron bombs leave all non-organic material intact while disintegrating all organic material.

 

[brad.dude03]

There's not enough reasonable debate (or topic for debate) in this thread for it to be justified for moving. Plus, it will get more activity in here than in the Tower, since no one ever goes there.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Furthermore, while Medivh's tower is specialized for debate, it's not imperative that all debate threads are put there. It's the thread poster's choice to send debate threads to the Medivh's tower should they want a more qualified audience.

 

[Pyritie]

Furthermore, while Medivh's tower is specialized for debate, it's not imperative that all debate threads are put there. It's the thread poster's choice to send debate threads to the Medivh's tower should they want a more qualified audience.

It's more or less "Do you want TheDivineBoss to spam your thread or not".

 

[Razorbrain]

What am I supposed to believe again?

that communism is a verison of Socialism based on making the change with revolution

 

[brad.dude03]

And it's more extremist in every way.

 

[PurplePoot]

If you came to Canada, I think you'd better understand the difference between Socialism and Communism

 

[brad.dude03]

Precisely.

cursedcharacterlimit

 

[SimonKurciski]

Communism, idealy, would be a society with no actual government, where no one owned any property, everyone laboured for the benefit of everyone else, and no one got paid more than anone else.

I do not think that Russia was a real communist society. Under ceratin conditions, I think communism could suceed.

communism

 

[brad.dude03]

No it could not succeed because you wilkl never find an entire population of people willing to work for the good of everyone else, for one thing.

 

[Elenai]

Indeed...People are just too selfish, and too corrupt to share everything. And yet...is sharing everything, not owning anything, having no control over your own property..A good thing?

Will people take sharing for the good too far? Will it be at first, "I will share your house" "Then its, share your belongings" with complete strangers, then its "Share your marraige bed" (surely that would not happen in this situation).....its all share share share...can sharing go so far to where it becomes a thing so horrible that scociety eventually collapses in on itself and becomes so extremely selfish it makes ours looks like a gift passing party?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

One thing that bugs me is, let's say.. well, have you ever read that book, the Giver? Well, I read it when I was little, and it's really a book that heavily contrasts freedom with security. You have a life where there is no freedom at all, and people accept what they are handed and nothing more. It's a life without suffering, but without curiosity as well. If we had a true communist economy, would we really enjoy it? Making our lives entirely secluded to the prison of equality? The pursuit of happiness is what adds color to our lives, so what will happen if we take it all away? It's another reason I would always choose socialism over communism. Communism would ensure no suffering, but it is utterly mundane. You'd have to bleed a little to live a little.