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Is Russia A Possible Threat?

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Therefor I'd like to let you answer this simple question what involves communism so that is related to the very topic:
What shall the world be like if the whole world is communist? Did we had the computer? The mobile phone. Wc3? Or do we live in huts then?
 
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I read The Giver in third grade. I never heard anything about it being banned....in my opinion, no book should be banned, even if it is not appropriate, because if it is banned because it's innapropriate, then there is someone who is deciding what is appropriate and what is not. And unless it was done by some kind of voting prosces, that would be a slippery slope.
 
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You guys sure think alot theres not really a point in thinking about that.( People that is ) communisim was a great idea , it was basically everything was fair nobody was rich or poor fixing billing problems but theres always some jerk who bends the rules and ruins it for everybody else : /
 
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You guys sure think alot theres not really a point in thinking about that.( People that is ) communisim was a great idea , it was basically everything was fair nobody was rich or poor fixing billing problems but theres always some jerk who bends the rules and ruins it for everybody else : /
You fail to see beyond what looks good and what looks bad. Even if communism works, to live in a communist world is to live without any color in your life. To have everything you need handed to you, nothing more, nothing less. The pursuit of happiness makes life a journey, and not a destination.
 
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You fail to see beyond what looks good and what looks bad. Even if communism works, to live in a communist world is to live without any color in your life. To have everything you need handed to you, nothing more, nothing less. The pursuit of happiness makes life a journey, and not a destination.

Everyones different, we're lucky your not thinking broad enough for you to give up peace for everyone just for a more meaning to something is cruel. I really dont see the point in it anyway.Besides to live without color in your life , people who are color blind have to live like that but mabye im taking it too literal. I'd rather have everyone bored then suffering, but a utopia is impossible anyway. Im hungry :hohum:
 
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Everyones different, we're lucky your not thinking broad enough for you to give up peace for everyone just for a more meaning to something is cruel. I really dont see the point in it anyway.Besides to live without color in your life , people who are color blind have to live like that but mabye im taking it too literal. I'd rather have everyone bored then suffering, but a utopia is impossible anyway. Im hungry :hohum:
Yes, "color" is a metaphor.

If you'd rather live in a secure black and white world than live in a world where pain coincides with freedom, then life would be better off not existing at all. Nothingness is the true utopia.
 
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Yes, "color" is a metaphor.

If you'd rather live in a secure black and white world than live in a world where pain coincides with freedom, then life would be better off not existing at all. Nothingness is the true utopia.

With nothingness there is nothing good having everything perfect is a utopia with nothing there cannot be bad so their isnt a good therefor a true ideal of a utopia cannot exist.

Black and white seem simple but in reality they can be complex
 
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But killing is wrong isnt it therefor by killing " bad " people you create more bad people and people will never be happy or content with what they have people will always want more or envy someone else which leads to crime therefor it can never truly be obtained unless someone has absolute power but then it is still unfair
 
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With nothingness there is nothing good having everything perfect is a utopia with nothing there cannot be bad so their isnt a good therefor a true ideal of a utopia cannot exist.

Black and white seem simple but in reality they can be complex
Perfection is merely a state of flawlessness. You can't have any flaws if nothing exists, can you?
 
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In my opinion, Russia is no threat whatsoever, they can't even run their own damn country for christ sake! Their army is pretty much... destroyed. They have the 6th biggest army, which isn't saying much at all. USA has the 2nd biggest army, second to China, which, I know personally because I've lived there, is as big of a threat as Russia.
 
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In my opinion, Russia is no threat whatsoever, they can't even run their own damn country for christ sake! Their army is pretty much... destroyed. They have the 6th biggest army, which isn't saying much at all. USA has the 2nd biggest army, second to China, which, I know personally because I've lived there, is as big of a threat as Russia.

I feel myself insulted -.-
Btw Russian army is really fucked up and corrupted. Nobody want's to go there, everyone tries to avoid it at any cost. Because if you go to army you will come back with broken head or missing some parts of body >_>
 
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Flaws cant exist if nothing exists but then again flawlessness cant exist without flaws therefor it wouldnt be perfection it'd , merely be nothing.
The perfection paradox wouldn't work if you consider perfection to be but a state of flawlessness. But if you consider it to be the pinnacle of all that is good, it would work.
 
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.....Does any one else think this is slighty reminiscent of the "Wolf or Dog" thread?

Perfection is an odd thing....someone can easily be perfectly evil, God is perfectly good, circles are perfectly circular, infinity is perfectly infinate, linear equations are perfectly straight....ect, ect....

Flawless'ness is different from perfection. (in my opinion) And many people have different perspectives on perfection.

What I deem to be the perfect cupcake, might be considered utterly disqusting by another, IE MSBB (he likes muffins)....and that is one reason utopias are not mortally possible. (although I have my beliefs in Heaven and all that, but thats not the issue right now...)

But a flawless diamond, is pretty much flawless. And all that kind of stuff.

Essentially, a man-made utopia is impossible.....because man has different opinions on what a utopia is. And that goes for perfection as well.
 
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The perfection paradox wouldn't work if you consider perfection to be but a state of flawlessness. But if you consider it to be the pinnacle of all that is good, it would work.

It is the same thing there cannot be good if theres no evil its all the same answer if thats all you can think of.
 
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There is nothing on this which I can say without repeating someone else. Shall this be considered an end to the topic, and to this thread? Or is there something out there that has not been considered from every angle imaginable in the 1st through 5th dimensions, for good measure?
 
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Capitalizing the common wealth

"Capitalism" is a free-market economic engine based primarily on Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" theory that the common wealth (i.e., the combined wealth of a nation) is best produced by each individual pursuing his (or her) own interests. This theory was disproved in 1949 by Nobel Prize winner John Forbes Nash, who showed mathematically that the common wealth is best produced by each individual pursuing what is in his own best interest and what is in the common interest ~ that is, that Ayn Rand-style unrestrained "free enterprise" is not the "magic formula" for the creation of wealth. Nash's theories have been applied by the US government and large corporations to tremendous profit, but insufficiently to eliminate poverty in America, as could easily be done were the primary "producers of wealth" to actually include "the common interest" (or "the public interest" or "everyone's interests") in their "capitalism." This means that Adam Smith's theories continue to be primarily influential in America's economy, and in every other national economy including those that have "socialized" many subsistence functions (welfare, medical care, etc).

Karl Marx, in his "Das Kapital," analyzed Adam Smith's "Capitalism" and showed that market forces would cause periodic disruptions ~ today called "inflation" and "depression" ~ that would dispossess wage slaves, reduce the middle class, and lead to serious "contradictions" between the haves and the have-nots. He theorized that this would polarize society between the owners of capital ("capitalists" and "petit bourgeois" ~ small business owners) and the workers ("the working class"), leading to dispossession of the owners and a socialist society in which "from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs" would form true communism. This was the basic theory, to which Lenin and Trotsky added "activism" ~ organization of the laboring classes to accelerate the downfall of capitalism ~ and the theory of "permanent revolution" ~ that as each ruling elite, after overthrowing its predecessor on the road to true communism, it would become a new "owner class" and would need to be overthrown in its turn by the "have-not" classes.

But human nature shows us that people strive to acquire what they want, and that desires and ambitions ~ as well as abilities ~ differ. This is what creates the "haves" of any society ~ people who devote their efforts to their wants and desires, who produce more than they need to "get by." And as they succeed, they enrich not only themselves but also others. This is the way human beings are built: to "produce, proliferate, and partake as you please." We produce more than we consume, we reproduce faster than we kill each other off, and we do what we want. This is why "communism" is not in harmony with human nature.

But neither is unrestrained free market capitalism, as Marx showed in his analysis ~ although his "resolution" of capitalism's "contradictions" was erroneous.

When we produce more than we consume ~ individually and collectively ~ we call the excess fruits of our labors "profit." Some of it goes into comforts beyond the necessities of life, some of it goes into increasing production, or "capital." It is this excess "profit" that increases the "common wealth," and it is unique to humanity ~ we are the only creature able to provide the necessities of life for each and every member of our species, through our cooperative enterprise.

But in human history, these "profits" have not become the "common" wealth, but have been kept ~ not unreasonably ~ by those more capable of producing profits. This is what drives the "free market" economy of "capitalism," that profit motive is what makes it successful. People work to reach prosperity, and produce prosperity.

But prosperity also produces poverty. This happens in two ways:

First, not everyone has the same capacity for production, we are not all the same. And as industrial production came into being, with factories produced by the investment of "capital," the means of production changed ~ labor became, instead of the primary source of wealth, a "factor of production" that the owners of factories purchased from the workers ~ their time and labor. (It was the "ownership of the means of production" (i.e., the capital that built factories) that was the focus of Marxist theory.) Poverty was created by the fact that the ways in which an individual could produce the necessities of life for his family became fewer and fewer, with "jobs" ~ selling labor ~ becoming predominant. Since "labor" required a buyer, and "capitalists" needed to buy as little as possible as cheaply as possible in order to make a profit, the number of "jobs" available never did match the number of people trying to sell their labor, which drove down the price of labor. And because the "profits" of industrial production were the property of the business owners, those without either jobs or some other means of production were left behind as the owners and workers moved toward prosperity.

Second, as those "haves" gained in prosperity, prices rose, and the cost of living along with them, and some of those who had jobs could not keep up.

Invariably, when a society increases in prosperity, there are those "left behind" through no fault whatever of their own, it is just the way the free market economy works.

But continued prosperity requires growth, which means new businesses, new production, more people joining the prosperous classes, and new "entrepreneurs" ~ people who have ambitions and desires and the capacity to produce goods or services at a profit. Obviously, people below "the poverty line" do not have the capacity to catch up, let alone lead.

This is the meat of the economic theory of John Forbes Nash, who said that the common wealth is best advanced by people pursuing their own interests and the common interest. Poverty, which is produced by prosperity, also destroys it.

The solution that has worked in human history is to recirculate capital to the bottom of the economic order. This has been done by collecting a small percentage of fixed capital ~ the capital that produces wealth, like agricultural real estate, factories and their tools and machines, forests and lumber mills, the things that people or corporations own that are the means of production ~ and using it to raise people out of poverty by capitalizing new businesses, providing people with new jobs, funding their schooling or medical care or even their subsistence, in order that they might be able to become productive. In history, this worked to completely eliminate poverty in a federation of nations across the Eastern Hemisphere in about the Ninth or Tenth Century (when Europe was in the so-called "Dark Ages"), so that when the funds were collected across the continents, there was no one who was poor enough to qualify to receive them. Instead, those funds were used to establish the world's first teaching hospitals, pharmaceutical sciences, and other medical advancements that we are still using today.

Today, what we have is taxation of individual incomes (income taxes), of individual homes (real estate taxes), of market transactions (sales taxes), of the cars we need to drive to work (vehicles licensing and gasoline taxes), and just about everything that moves or stands still, if it can be measured and recorded. When America was founded, there were import taxes ~ the Constitution forbade taxation of individuals ~ and the federal government had a budget surplus until the turn of the Twentieth Century. Since the institution of the income tax, the federal government has had an increasing "national debt" and income taxes go to pay the interest on it. This is the result of Adam Smith's theories of "capitalism" and a failure of American business ~ the most powerful and wealthy on the planet ~ to pay the dues of prosperity, which is to distribute the common wealth sufficiently to eliminate poverty.

Communism is not the solution, and neither is unrestrained free market capitalism ~ the wealth that moves invariably to the top of the economic pyramid must also move to the bottom, or the pyramid's foundation will erode like sand in the tide.

That's the premise underlying America's "welfare" programs ~ without customers, businesses will fold up and close their doors. So following the economic theories of John Maynard Keynes, the "New Deal" that brought America out of the Depression included "transfer payments" to poverty-stricken and suddenly unemployed populations across the country, so they could "prime the pump" and get the economy moving again.

It was enough then, but it never went far enough ~ and it's too little today. The dollar is losing value, jobs are being shipped overseas, the middle class is shrinking as fast as the glaciers if not faster, and the disparity between the "haves" and the "have-nots" is increasing daily.

But the system of recirculating capital can operate at the local level, in individual communities, small towns, church communities ~ anywhere that people decide to "take care of their own" and set out to do it together. It works.

Capitalism and communism don't work.

That's a considerable difference.
 
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Low man on the totem pole

If you had access to Medivh's tower, this would definitely fit in there.

Not enough points or posts, and no sponsor, so I'm waiting to see whether I post enough ~ which will depend largely on whether there are conversations where my writing might be helpful, which is in turn indicated by those odd "points." I don't mind being low man on the totem pole, I'm not inclined to climb.

And anyone in Medivh's Tower can post it there, I write things for people to read, not for me to "own." I already have the knowledge, giving it away doesn't cost me anything.
 
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Well, nonexistence wouldn't exist if nothing existed. That's sort of a paradox, isn't it?

I'd call it an illustration of the limitations of the human intellect.
 
i am so confused. this is exactly the argument i have with my brother.
i say "0 is nothing" and he says "nothing cant be nothing so 0 is something"

Any ways its not a flaw
eg.
"the letter "Z" is nonexistant in the sentence "My cat is blue""
that aint a flaw.
of course the argument "nonexistence does not exist when nothing exists" is not true
the state of nonexistance is the absence of something.
when nothing exists, everything is absent so when nothing exists it is nonexistant

anyways all the nuclear weapons and weapon program should have been destroyed, as in all the technology to make them, on the end of USSR which funnily enough is the day when i was born LOL.
Anyways why do those bastards keep on making weapons. Dont they have leftovers. they did make a lot of nukes
Especially Russia. just becos now they can doesnt mean they have to make nukes.
At least we have to be grateful they are not f-ed up enough in the head, not yet anyway, to make biological bombs, nerve gas bombs or dirty bombs, bombs which cause more fallouts than explosion.
I thinks nukes ,the explosion part, are nothing compare to concentrated radiation poisoning, designer virus or super nerve gas.
If they do make them i have a feeling the market value on Gas masks are gonna go way up.
 
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By saying that something is "nothing," you are calling it something and therefore identifying it as "something." Which, by the way, is different from nonexistence versus existence.

Nobody is stupid enough to make biological weapons, because of the high likelihood that once identified, the enemy could use the exact same biological weapons against the creators in the exact same way they were originally used. Also, any sort of vaccine created by the country of origin would be idiotic, because of how fast the weapon would spread within that country; the target country would have a much better idea of how the biological weapon works and is spread. By the definition of what dirty bombs do, a nuclear weapon is a dirty bomb that is also highly destructive.
 
see but there is 3 categories(that i know) of nuclear weapon
first is the normal nuclear bomb which is just designed to blow stuff up not concerning radioactiveness
then there is the "clean" nuke,which i think people are trying to develop, which uses all of it fission material there by creating minimal, if perfectly done, no radioactive waste.
the Dirty bomb i was refering was a method which you basically get a lot of used radioactive waste and blow it with another nuclear reaction or a conventional bomb, like a dynamite or TNT. You do this preferably high up in the sky
then all the radioactive waste is spread into the atmosphere,fallingin tiny particles like rain thus poisoning a large area of land or sea, way larger than any explosion radius of a nuke blast. of course any amount of radiation poisoning is mostly fatal no matter how small. even worse it effectively poisons the air, water and the soil pretty permenently

edit at 2007/12/24 8:15 : i am sorry. youre right Teh_Ephy
i should have made it more clear. that minute amount i was refering to is 0.01 gram, approximately, of uranium. and unlike radiation given by sun light, the scenario i was talking about requires contamination of the body by the radioactive materials and they stay in the body.
i should have been more specific. thanks for the correction

ps. i have the same problem with the pages as you have Teh_Ephy so its not just your computer
 
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That's slightly inaccurate; the sun gives you minute amounts of radiation poisoning every single day. Is the sun fatal?

Also, there's potentially something wrong with this thread. My computer shows that there are 24 pages, but whenever I click on the 24 to go to that 24th page, it takes me to this page.
 
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Yeah, I have it set on 15 a page. I'm still having the problem where the link to page 24 sends me to this page (23).
 
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Well, at fifteen posts a page, the post I'm making right now should create page 24, which I'm aware shouldn't exist until I actually make this post.

The idea of a clean nuke is absolutely ridiculous. Radioactive fallout is one of the main reasons that nukes aren't used in contemporary warfare; without it, it's just a bigass bomb. Also, clean fission would be an ideal power source.
 
I am sorry. wrong bomb. i think i was talkng about fusion bombs which they havent developed yet along with fusion energy.

but dirty bomb,the one i was refering to, is for real and it seems really easy to manufacture. (this means you dont go making them. i swear to god, if you make them, i will personally kill you becos people who make them dont deserve the air they breath in)

there is this korean movie, yep i am korean, called Typhoon where this guy just gets concentrated nuke waste, like in little soup can sized cans, attach a remote bomb on it and float it up in to the eye of a storm using weather ballons, i think, so when he detonates it, its going to be raining nuclear waste and kill everone.
 
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What was that American movie called again where some Americans have to save the world since the sun is dying? -.- And they are using a American spaceship with a nuke? -.-

God, typical Americans, they always use nukes to solve problems up, what they going to do next? Bomb the northpole to stop global warming? o_O

Nukes are baaaaaaaaaaaad :(
 
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