Is Russia A Possible Threat?

[TheDivineBoss]

Let's head to Antarctics and enslave the animals and people over there and create a snowy world superpower! I call it... The Frostkin Dominion.... Let's fire some missiles at the US and Russia to let them fight eachother and blah blah you get the point.

So back to topic: We'll destroy ourselves one day man. I bet it's gonna happen.

 

[brad.dude03]

Meh, and also Elenai, China will soon surpass the US as the biggest world superpower in a few years.

 

[Elenai]

Actually not a few years...Even with China's extremely excellent growth.

It will not be a super power (that surpasses the US) until at least your grandchildren's generation.

The reason being....

While China is growing rapidly, The majority of the nation is still in extreme poverty.

The population is massive and unstable. (with current child birth policy that number will eventually stagnate and could potentially kill China)

They do not have the ability to project physical power outside its own borders. Economically it can...but if it isnt careful they could slit their economic throats. Because if they are not careful they could potentially repulse their market.

The balance of power for China's favor is still very unstable. The economic factors and ect...will not allow for any nation even China to grow into a superpower within a few years. It will take a few decades minimum.

Unless their is a drastic shift in the unipolar balance, or the collapse of the US economy. The US will remain the only superpower for at least half a century more. And the problem with that is, that if the US balance is destroyed. The global economy, and the global system will collapse with it. The Zone Of Peace, (created by NATO and economic treaties) will also collapse.

And if the US collapses (China's largest market) Then China will have lost its most valuble customer, and if the US collapses Europe will collapse with it (they will last a little longer because of the EU, but they will fall eventually under the strain), and with Europe goes China's second best customer. And with Europe and the US the rest of the global economy will fall, and China will be left without a market.

Thus also killing China.

So China has to be careful even if the US doesnt fall, because if they repulse their market. China will die.

Does any of this make sense? Do you get what I am saying?

 

[Hakeem]

Nukes level the playing field. Nobody is fool enough to use them because they would be destroyed in return.
So since we can't use them to fight, we would need to war using other technologies.
But if a country with nukes is invaded and on the verge of being taken over, then wouldn't they use them?
Nobody can win any war anymore unless their opponent doesn't have nukes.

Elenai, did you know that the US government is in debt?

 

[Gilles]

Let's head to Antarctics and enslave the animals and people over there and create a snowy world superpower! I call it... The Frostkin Dominion.... Let's fire some missiles at the US and Russia to let them fight eachother and blah blah you get the point.

So back to topic: We'll destroy ourselves one day man. I bet it's gonna happen.

Kind of looks like it, but also we may have something else come first. A new world war? Ice age (I really don't support this), or a natural event. ie something like the black plague. Or Jesus, I believe he will "end" the world as w know it. We just don't know when. But please let's stay off the religious topic.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

No one would dare use nukes. Not even simple minded half-wit presidents. Especially not with "OMG NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST" constantly being thrown about. Perhaps a strong country on the verge of destruction, but one would not retaliate with nukes should that be the case, because they would be, in fact, "on the verge of destruction". We can only hope we either come up with
A) WORLD PEACE LOL
or
B) A defense against such bombs
Before the nukes get launched.

 

[Shados]

But if a country with nukes is invaded and on the verge of being taken over, then wouldn't they use them?

Yeah, I'd rather be taken over by a foreign country and have a chance of survival than be nuked and have no chance of survival.

-*meow*

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Nukes are the shit. Let's immigrate to the moon!

 

[DesKaladA]

or just move to canada
or australay

THEY NEVER GET ATTACH
GO KANGROOZO

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Netherlands is a great place, we're small, we live in the middle/west Europe, between France, England and Germany. We're totally chilling here, man.
Even though a flood comes and whips us out, we're still chilling.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

There are some countries that would rather kill everyone than be taken over. Probably lots of countries.

 

[Elenai]

Elenai, did you know that the US government is in debt?

Yes I know that the US is in dept. But we are still the richest country on earth. Japan being second, and it isnt close to our GDP output.

But the problem is not the possibility of countries being invaded...at least our countries being invaded.

The chance of a war between the nations in the Zone of Peace is virtually zero.....the only countries that could possibly be invaded on a wide scale...are the countries in the Middle East, Subsaharan Africa, and parts of the far east.

All outside the Zone of Peace.

And like Teh-Ephy said. These nations are third world, and are unstable, and probably would rather kill than be taken over.

The problem with this is...that the hot zones...is where the life blood of the global economy flows from. Oil.

So it is in our best interest financially and our national security to make sure that these nations stay benign.

PS: Sorry for the rant.....politics and history is my favorite cup of tea.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Elenai the freaking problem with the US is: It's overpopulated, the rich and poor are divided and if you check the average money per head it's way to high since it's to inaccurate. US is like a rodent. You freaking suck out the oil of every country. You got nukes, that's the reason we don't attack. You Americans can't even put out a small little fire. And here's something about the cars and the excausts: You drive with your SUV's your kids to school which is a stonethrow away from house. People SUV's suck. Don't be a freaking pimp when you got a freaking Hummer. Get a NORMAL car. Not a gassucker. America is the most spoiling country on the world. 20% of all global warming stuff comes from YOU GUYS! Down with Bush! Huray for the Democrates! Fuck the Republic! You maybe got clones in Star Wars and America but you shall not take the World! Democrates are greedy people with loads of (...)ing cash and don't give away their money to charity. No, they buy Hummers and SUV's. America is the same as the American Rat. D:
I rest my case. Let's bomb America!

 

[Elenai]

If that post wasnt a joke....or if that post was meant to be a serious opinion of yours..Then I will say this. (If not then disregard the below portion)

Do not insult my nation.

You are wrong, We do not suck oil out of every nation. WE BUY IT!!!! And your country buys oil too. So dont play the holier than thou country game with me.

We are not rats. We have nukes...but do we use them? NO!!! Because we are not stupid. And we regret ever creating them. And the reason you dont attack the US is because you cant. You are incapable of attacking the US. You dont have the power to. It is not our nukes..

And if you are going to call us greedy, then you had better look around and thank us for the freedom you enjoy...Because it was our generosity that saved Europe from iminent defeat by Hitler, and the Soviet Union. If we hadnt given you aid, Nazi Germany would have taken you down, and when WE!!! put them down, if we would have left, Europe would be flying the Sicle and Hammer of Soviet Russia.

Do not call us rats. We are far from it.

And if you really want to talk about the problems America has caused. I can certainly trace back all the problems in the world to Europe. In a heartbeat.

(No offense to Europeans....because I am quite sure that most of you are intelligent and do not have dreams of destroying my nation.)

 

[Guessed]

That post was basically all the most common anti-American talking points garbled together with bits of nonsense and spasms of hate.

 

[brad.dude03]

HAHAHA The Us did absolutely nothing to save Europe from Hitler, that's a total BS lie Elenai.

The ONLY reason the US got involved in WWII was because of Japan. THAT'S IT. The British did all of the hard work against the Nazi's, and the Soviet Union collapsed on it's own thanks, so you guys did absolutely nothing to them either.

I'm not saying America is all bad, but come on, you guys DEFINETLY aren't as innocent as you're trying to make it sound.

And regret creating the nukes? BULLSHIT. The Republicans are making more nukes everyday, the US military budget is 300 billion dollars, gee I wonder where that's going?

 

[Jualin]

TheDivineBoss, that is hardly the way to discuss something with any degree of being serious. Not that this is entirely serious, but at least we aren't proposing a war because of social issues.

I'm not entirely sure, but let me see if I can't summarize: we (the denomination I belong to) are universally a bunch of greedy f**ks that are responsible for the social ills of the world, we lack a fire department, Democrats are b*****ds, yet are laudable for being the alternative to Republicans, we were "The Republic" depicted in George Lucas' Star Wars, SUVs are an overrated pieces of s**t. We plan world domination. Nukes are the only reason we aren't a smoking pile. U.S. is a universal translation for sewer-dwelling rodent. Finally, the above stated is grounds for a war.

And that is the most ignorant rant full of bull I have ever seen. Research, patience, and "an even keel" are what should be brought to debate I find. Not anger, I find.

Also, we similarly do not take to being called greedy f**ks with the same grace as family or friend. That's food for thought, that.

EDIT: But that doesn't mean I can't think of reasons to get angry about the U.S. of A. myself. I find you missed every last one of the reasons on my list. Thus I'm not at all sorry to say I do not sympathize.

 

[Elenai]

It is not a lie.

Well yah it was Japan that drew us into it. But it was the US that liberated Europe...(at least we gave quite abit of help to it.) Without us Mainland Europe would have fallen. And the British did alot of the hard work, but it was the US that gave them money, weapons, and supplies so they could keep their heads above the water (beginning of the war) And we relieved Britain of much of its burden during the middle to end of the war. We did alot to get Hitler out. We did not do nothing. And the Soviet Union collapsed because they were competing with us, and they spent more than they could produce faster than we did. We were also about to collapse, but they did it first, and we were able to recover.

And yes we are not innocent. But we are not rats either.

And yes we do regret making them. And we are not making more!? We are disarming them. The republicans are not incontrol of the nuke making process. The Dept of Energy (paraphrased the name) is the one that deals with that. And they are not under the control of the Republican party.

And the 300 billion dollar budget goes to conventional weapons, and soldier salaries. It takes a billion dollars (estimate) to make one aircraft. It takes alot more than that, just to enrich the uranium used in making the bombs in the first place.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Two acceptable gas-guzzling cars: Trucks (needed for power) and Jeeps (needed for awesome).

Anyways, how the hell did this go from "Is Russia bad?" to "lolzorz uhmerikka sux!"? America has good points and bad points, but Bush is sticking to his guns, which would be rather admirable if he wasn't such a fuckup. Also, involving partisan politics? What the hell? Democrats have as many bad points as Republicans, Republicans have as many good points as Democrats.

I basically saw "Oh, well these Americans are better than these Americans," in the last few posts. NO. Yes, the administration sucks, but it's going to change in a little over a year. Get over it, China pollutes more than the US. China treats its citizens worse than the US. China treats the world worse than the US. China does more bad things in general than the US.

The new focus of this thread is fucking China, not the US, because I fucking say so.

 

[Shados]

Well yah it was Japan that drew us into it. But it was the US that liberated Europe...(at least we gave quite abit of help to it.) Without us Mainland Europe would have fallen. And the British did alot of the hard work, but it was the US that gave them money, weapons, and supplies so they could keep their heads above the water (beginning of the war) And we relieved Britain of much of its burden during the middle to end of the war. We did alot to get Hitler out.

Oh, now that's just hilarious. You didn't give Europe help or money, you sold them weapons and supplies. America made quite alot of money from that war. And you really didn't do crap against Hitler, as brad said, the only reason you entered the war was because of Japan, and you then went and killed one and a half million civilians.

And the 300 billion dollar budget goes to conventional weapons, and soldier salaries. It takes a billion dollars (estimate) to make one aircraft. It takes alot more than that, just to enrich the uranium used in making the bombs in the first place.

A country that spends 300 billion dollars on military while apparently wanting peace? The reforms from taking even half of that and putting it into education, or healthcare, would be massively life-changing for many Americans.


As for oil, America certainly does suck oil out of other countries. After all, it's not Iraqi companies pumping oil and selling it to America, it's American oil companies in Iraq pumping it and selling it to America. Oh, and according to you, I cac talk, because my country makes more than enough for us, so we export oil.


-*meow*

 

[Elenai]

Oh, now that's just hilarious. You didn't give Europe help or money, you sold them weapons and supplies. America made quite alot of money from that war. And you really didn't do crap against Hitler, as brad said, the only reason you entered the war was because of Japan, and you then went and killed one and a half million civilians.

We did give Europe money. It was called the Marshall plan. And we did help Europe, we sent military aid. And we did alot against hitler. It was called D-Day Normandy, The Battle of the Bulge, and our troops breaking through Italy and France to cut off Germany in the war.

Japan woke us up, but both Japan and Germany felt the full brunt of the American hammer.

And I said we regretted our creation of the A-bomb.

And it is not just Iraqi oil that we buy...we buy most of our oil from Saudi Arabian oil companies. And if we stopped buying oil, our economy would collapse.

And yes if we put our military budget to health and education it would be life changing. I do agree with that. But a budget of somekind is still a neccasary part of our fund distribution.

 

[brad.dude03]

In fact on D-Day the Canadians at Juno Beach covered more territory than any other country against the Germans.

The Americans always use that as their punch lines, but both the British and the Canadians did more.

Not to knock down the Americans, we would have been screwed without your financial backing, etc, but you can't claim that you were pulling all of the weight at the end.

 

[Elenai]

I am not saying the Europeans/Canadians (i'm not sure if Canadians are considered European) did nothing during the war. I am only saying that we did help quite a bit.

And I know that we did'nt pull all the weight, but we were one of the major pullers. And all the while, fighting a major war on two fronts on opposite ends of the globe, or close to opposite ends.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Does anybody care that China is worse than the US on pretty much everything you guys are arguing about?

 

[Elenai]

I care.........

 

[Gilles]

Right now it would seem that we are our own enemy. Europe and North America's birth rate is below 2. Which means we aren't having enough kids to sustain us. To me this is a little bit scary. Although China is reproducing fast, so is India. The fact that one of the most common names, in places like England and other parts of Europe, is Mohamed also is kind of scary. Nothing against Muslims, just the fact that they are way out producing us. Oh and the fact that "kill the infidel" is part of their religion.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html Not sure how accurate this is, but it's the first thing I found.

 

[Elenai]

....indeed. Our birth rate is stagnating....we must return to a proper family environment and we must have children. We cannot survive in a culture that has turned to instant self gratification, and lack of commitment.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

It's fine, the US has Mexico as far as population maintenance. Except that second generation Mexican immigrants speak God-knows-what Spanglish, that is looked down on by both Americans and Mexicans.

IMO, China is far worse for the world than America.

 

[Hakeem]

Yeah, I'd rather be taken over by a foreign country and have a chance of survival than be nuked and have no chance of survival.

"Back off or we start a nuclear war!!!!!!"
Right?

Do not insult my nation.

Freedom is good, but that means people are free to be ignorant.

We are not rats. We have nukes...but do we use them? NO!!! Because we are not stupid.

We are the only country to have ever used any. And we used two.

And we regret ever creating them.

No we don't. If we hadn't, then someone else would have. It had to happen. Consider yourself lucky that we got it first.

Do not call us rats. We are far from it.

Some of us. Some not.

And if you really want to talk about the problems America has caused. I can certainly trace back all the problems in the world to Europe. In a heartbeat.

America is free to be ignorant. That is the major cause of problems originating from it.

Right now it would seem that we are our own enemy. Europe and North America's birth rate is below 2. Which means we aren't having enough kids to sustain us. To me this is a little bit scary. Although China is reproducing fast, so is India. The fact that one of the most common names, in places like England and other parts of Europe, is Mohamed also is kind of scary. Nothing against Muslims, just the fact that they are way out producing us. Oh and the fact that "kill the infidel" is part of their religion.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html Not sure how accurate this is, but it's the first thing I found.

Context.
Muslims don't just go over and kill their neighbors for not being Muslims. That's not what they are about.
Muslims don't force others to be Muslims. That's not what they are about.
You don't have to be afraid of Muslims, they are peaceful.
You can't make yourself a martyr, you can only pray for it. Suicide is explicitly forbidden.

 

[Gilles]

Context.
Muslims don't just go over and kill their neighbors for not being Muslims. That's not what they are about.
Muslims don't force others to be Muslims. That's not what they are about.
You don't have to be afraid of Muslims, they are peaceful.
You can't make yourself a martyr, you can only pray for it. Suicide is explicitly forbidden.

Never said they did. I just said it is in their Koran. I happen to see Muslims every day. The town I go to school in is mostly Indo-Canadian. I have played sports with many Muslims. They can be very nice people. I never put them in one basket.

Muslims don't force others to become Muslim? Are you kidding? In the middle east they are not tolerant at all. Think of History. They tried to take over much of the known world. That is why we had Crusades! They were threatening Europe!

I read a book (I will have to get back on the title) that said that on a poll many (Sorry, I have no number, this isn't a good argument eh? lol) Muslims in England said that the train bombings were possibly deserved! These are the peaceful ones!

Muslims are peaceful? Maybe in North America and Europe. In the Middle east they sure aren't!
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/swank/071024

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Oh, now that's just hilarious. You didn't give Europe help or money, you sold them weapons and supplies. America made quite alot of money from that war. And you really didn't do crap against Hitler, as brad said, the only reason you entered the war was because of Japan, and you then went and killed one and a half million civilians.

I'm sorry, who is this "you"? Are you planning on sending this post to the American government?

(i'm not sure if Canadians are considered European)

I totally agree. The border between Europe and North America is totally indistinguishable (give or take an ocean or two).

 

[Gilles]

Oh, now that's just hilarious. You didn't give Europe help or money, you sold them weapons and supplies. America made quite alot of money from that war. And you really didn't do crap against Hitler, as brad said, the only reason you entered the war was because of Japan, and you then went and killed one and a half million civilians.

You must be joking? D-day was not a success? Europe would have survived without the aid of the US? No, England would have fallen, along with Africa and others. Russia would be the only hope. The dropping of the bombs are questionable. I don't believe the ends ever justify the means. Although this is one tricky situation.

I totally agree. The border between Europe and North America is totally indistinguishable (give or take an ocean or two).

I actually lol'd!

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

You must be joking? D-day was not a success? Europe would have survived without the aid of the US? No, England would have fallen, along with Africa and others. Russia would be the only hope. The dropping of the bombs are questionable. I don't believe the ends ever justify the means. Although this is one tricky situation.

D-day was a fiasco in many parts, but in the end was successful, because there were so many troops. Also, there were many contributors to D-day, not just the US.

 

[Hakeem]

Muslims don't force others to become Muslim? Are you kidding? In the middle east they are not tolerant at all. Think of History. They tried to take over much of the known world. That is why we had Crusades! They were threatening Europe!

I read a book (I will have to get back on the title) that said that on a poll many (Sorry, I have no number, this isn't a good argument eh? lol) Muslims in England said that the train bombings were possibly deserved! These are the peaceful ones!

Muslims are peaceful? Maybe in North America and Europe. In the Middle east they sure aren't!
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/swank/071024

As is often said, "Either use the whole document or don't use it at all."
The ones that are intolerant aren't using the whole thing.
The numbers of Muslims that are growing fast aren't extremists.

 

[Gilles]

As is often said, "Either use the whole document or don't use it at all."
The ones that are intolerant aren't using the whole thing.
The numbers of Muslims that are growing fast aren't extremists.

You can't bundle people in one stereotype.
What aren't the intolerant ones using? You are really unclear in your posts. I thought violence was in their Koran? I posted previously about this.

You may be right, but regardless, they don't do anything to stop the extremists. Why don't Muslims protest what other ones are doing?

D-day was a fiasco in many parts, but in the end was successful, because there were so many troops. Also, there were many contributors to D-day, not just the US.

I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was successful. Nor did I say they were the only ones (although that was not very clear, my apologies). It just would not have been possible without the states.

 

[Hakeem]

You can't bundle people in one stereotype.
What aren't the intolerant ones using? You are really unclear in your posts. I thought violence was in their Koran?

It's all one Qur'an. Violence and killing are only permitted in certain situations. Extremists ignore parts of the Qur'an.

You may be right, but regardless, they don't do anything to stop the extremists. Why don't Muslims protest what other ones are doing?

Who says they don't?

 

[Shados]

I'm sorry, who is this "you"? Are you planning on sending this post to the American government?

I totally agree. The border between Europe and North America is totally indistinguishable (give or take an ocean or two).

Oddly, "you" can be used plurally, so I was refering to the American people in general, a group of which Elenai is a member.


-*meow*

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Freedom is good, but that means people are free to be ignorant.

Unfortunately, yes.

We are the only country to have ever used any. And we used two.

That better not lead to anybody saying that the US shouldn't have used the nukes against Japan in WWII.

No we don't. If we hadn't, then someone else would have. It had to happen. Consider yourself lucky that we got it first.

In fact, the Japanese were actually working on a functional death-ray, using the same technology that is in your microwave. In fact, it had been tested as plausible on animals. Without the nukes, the Japanese could have invented the most awesome (good and bad connotations are being used there) weapon in the history of mankind.

Think of History. They tried to take over much of the known world. That is why we had Crusades! They were threatening Europe!

[HIGHLIGHT]Don't you fucking dare.[/code] The original crusade was started when the Ottoman Empire beseeched the Vatican for help defending their own territory. The Vatican turned "help us fight the Arabs off," to "The Holy Land needs to be reclaimed from the infidels, the Muslims." Historically, Christians aren't any better than Muslims. Both have had periods of forced conversion, both have great morals behind their scriptures, both have spilled innocent blood and done horrible things. FYI, the people representing Christianity were several many times worse than the people representing Islam during the Crusades.

You can't bundle people in one stereotype.
What aren't the intolerant ones using? You are really unclear in your posts. I thought violence was in their Koran? I posted previously about this.

Okay, now you're just being a total dumbshit. There's violence in the Jewish Old Testament and (as far as I know) in the Christian New Testament.

You may be right, but regardless, they don't do anything to stop the extremists. Why don't Muslims protest what other ones are doing?

How about the whole UN be judged by the United States? The US is the part of the UN that gets the most attention. Gilles, do you think that would be fair?

 

[Elenai]

Don't you fucking dare. The original crusade was started when the Ottoman Empire beseeched the Vatican for help defending their own territory. The Vatican turned "help us fight the Arabs off," to "The Holy Land needs to be reclaimed from the infidels, the Muslims." Historically, Christians aren't any better than Muslims. Both have had periods of forced conversion, both have great morals behind their scriptures, both have spilled innocent blood and done horrible things. FYI, the people representing Christianity were several many times worse than the people representing Islam during the Crusades.

Just for the record...Religous conviction was only...about 1/3 of the cause.

Most of it was pure and simple greed. Europe wanted the rich lands of the east, and the trade routes mostly for eastern spice and silks. Christianity just made it legitimate (IE the people supported it if it was said to be for God). Christianity (besides being a religion) was the only unifying force for a fragmented Europe. And inorder to succeed in the east...the kings of Europe needed allies, and Christianity as a unified organization, gave the countries of Europe the stage to play their parts united.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Yeah. I said the people representing Christianity.

Anyways, back to countries and not religions.

 

[Elenai]

Indeed. I was really dreading the possibility of yet another religous forum war.

So what about the drug wars in South America? What better threat to the US than rotting from the inside out, and not even realizing it?

Afterall, more and more kids are getting drugs now. And a major provider is the thugs in the drug farms.

The next generation is becoming slaves to drugs, and our future is the next generation.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

In Soviet Russia, possible threat is YOU!!






Just wanted to get it out of my system.

 

[PurplePoot]

In Soviet Russia, system gets out of YOU!!

(note: MSBB, you forgot the 2 italicized exclamation marks at the end)

The next generation is becoming slaves to drugs, and our future is the next generation.

The next generation needs to grow some brains... Meh, it's kinda like natural selection -.-

 

[Gilles]

[HIGHLIGHT]Don't you fucking dare.[/code] The original crusade was started when the Ottoman Empire beseeched the Vatican for help defending their own territory. The Vatican turned "help us fight the Arabs off," to "The Holy Land needs to be reclaimed from the infidels, the Muslims." Historically, Christians aren't any better than Muslims. Both have had periods of forced conversion, both have great morals behind their scriptures, both have spilled innocent blood and done horrible things. FYI, the people representing Christianity were several many times worse than the people representing Islam during the Crusades.

Okay, now you're just being a total dumbshit. There's violence in the Jewish Old Testament and (as far as I know) in the Christian New Testament.

How about the whole UN be judged by the United States? The US is the part of the UN that gets the most attention. Gilles, do you think that would be fair?

I don't think we should bother arguing further. I totally disagree with you. I'll brush up on my Crusade History though, in case I'm wrong.

Do we need name calling? The old testament is old. Of course there was violence. The old testament goes against a lot of Catholic ideas today, but if you wish to know more, read the CCC. There is none in the new testament, Jesus was peaceful, and taught to love not hate.

I'm sorry but I don't understand the last part. Sorry.

The next generation needs to grow some brains... Meh, it's kinda like natural selection -.-

Every generation has more education than the last. Unless you mean common sense. Many people lack that.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I'm sorry but I don't understand the last part. Sorry.

He's saying a certain part of a group of people that gets the most attention is not synonymous with a certain part of a group of people that best represents that group of people as a whole.

Now merge your posts.

 

[Shados]

In fact, the Japanese were actually working on a functional death-ray, using the same technology that is in your microwave. In fact, it had been tested as plausible on animals. Without the nukes, the Japanese could have invented the most awesome (good and bad connotations are being used there) weapon in the history of mankind.

Nikola Tesla had apparently built 2/3 parts of his death ray, but the American government refused to give him funding. then when he died, the FBI ordered the Alien Affairs Office to confiscate all his belongings.

-*meow*

 

[Gilles]

He's saying a certain part of a group of people that gets the most attention is not synonymous with a certain part of a group of people that best represents that group of people as a whole.

Now merge your posts.

Oh, thanks for clearing this up.

In this case the aggressive ones are causing trouble, and the peaceful ones are just looking on and not really caring.

 

[seruk]

In this case the aggressive ones are causing trouble, and the peaceful ones are just looking on and not really caring.

You sir, are an idiot.

You are a fool. An ignorant fool, with too much time on his hands. Have you ever even seen a muslim? Get yourself a picture what the religion stands for before you judge it as foolishly as you did.

Here's the basics of Islam, it's based on 5 "pillars" which are the following.
1, The creed. Way shorter than the christian one (which is repetive and generally just, stupid) "I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God."
2, The prayer. Pray 5 times a day while facing the Kabaa in Mecca.
3, The alms-giving. Give poor people stuff.
4, The fasting. This speaks for itself.
5, The pilgrimage. Journey to Mecca at least one time in your life unless you're crippled.
And that's it. Do that and you're a muslim. You don't have to blow "infidels" up. Jihad is btw basically just fighting for the right cause (am I right?) and violence is the very last of the options.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yes, the Islam religion is not violent and nature, and 90% of the Muslim people are moderates. It's the other 10%, the extremists, the ones who get all of the attention, that give Muslims a bad name.

It's the same with Christianity. Most Christians are normal tempered average human beings, but there are some that are extreme and believe that homosexuals are monsters, etc.

People should not judge a group by the actions of a minority, but by the actions of the majority.

 

[Gilles]

You sir, are an idiot.

You are a fool. An ignorant fool, with too much time on his hands. Have you ever even seen a muslim? Get yourself a picture what the religion stands for before you judge it as foolishly as you did.

Here's the basics of Islam, it's based on 5 "pillars" which are the following.
1, The creed. Way shorter than the christian one (which is repetive and generally just, stupid) "I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God."
2, The prayer. Pray 5 times a day while facing the Kabaa in Mecca.
3, The alms-giving. Give poor people stuff.
4, The fasting. This speaks for itself.
5, The pilgrimage. Journey to Mecca at least one time in your life unless you're crippled.
And that's it. Do that and you're a muslim. You don't have to blow "infidels" up. Jihad is btw basically just fighting for the right cause (am I right?) and violence is the very last of the options.

Uhh, yeah actually I studied Islam last year. In brief though. I also see Muslim people everyday pretty much. I live beside a city that is mostly Indo-Canadian.

Then why the hell would "Kill the Infidel" be in their Koran? Please read through my posts, I also said in a poll, a large amount of Muslins in England said they thought it wasn't a big deal that a train got bombed. They said maybe they deserved it.

How about you stop being an "ignorant fool" to Christianity.

Read history. How did Muhammad spread his religion? By the sword. How did Jesus? Love.

People should not judge a group by the actions of a minority, but by the actions of the majority.

True. But I'm judging by beliefs themselves.