Battle between universes V.0.3.1

[puck]

①add more English ② add suitable icon ③when I choose new races，former farmer should be deleted。

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

①add more English ② add suitable icon ③when I choose new races，former farmer should be deleted。

The last point requires triggers that I try not to get into. I'll try to do the first in the next patch. With icons, alas, I try to select suitable ones if the set for the model did not have its own icon. But I'll try to look for more suitable ones. If you have friends with whom you can play, I would like to know more about the balance between races, since it’s hard for me to make a more or less normal balance alone

 

[deepstrasz]

A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in use by Battle between universes V.0.1.7
You can also upload your map here to generate a list: Asset scanner

Is it playable at the current state? If not please develop here until publishing: Map Development

Awaiting Update.

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R U L E S

Site Rules
Map Submission Rules

M A P - D E S C R I P T I O N

Details

BB CODES
BB Codes | HIVE

MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
• Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

M A P - C R E A T I O N - G U I D E S

Details

GENERAL MAPPING
A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact.692/

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

A credits list in the map description with the names of the authors whose resources you've used is mandatory. That includes models, skins, icons, custom spells, systems. Also, sounds, music and everything outside this site.
This helps you with the models, skins and icons from Hiveworkshop: Resources in use by Battle between universes V.0.1.7
You can also upload your map here to generate a list: Asset scanner

Is it playable at the current state? If not please develop here until publishing: Map Development

Awaiting Update.

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R U L E S

Site Rules
Map Submission Rules

M A P - D E S C R I P T I O N

Details

BB CODES
BB Codes | HIVE

MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3

MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION

• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
• Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

M A P - C R E A T I O N - G U I D E S

Details

GENERAL MAPPING
A Beginner's Guide to Map Making
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact.692/

Do you understand how huge the list of models is in this map? I will finish listing all the authors by the time I die in reality.

 

[deepstrasz]

Do you understand how huge the list of models is in this map? I will finish listing all the authors by the time I die in reality.

Sorry, I even gave you an automated way of doing it for the stuff from the site.
Now the description is not even in English anymore.

 

[puck]

The last point requires triggers that I try not to get into. I'll try to do the first in the next patch. With icons, alas, I try to select suitable ones if the set for the model did not have its own icon. But I'll try to look for more suitable ones. If you have friends with whom you can play, I would like to know more about the balance between races, since it’s hard for me to make a more or less normal balance alone

In fact,u can get lots of resources in here, such as queen azshara's icon,just search in it，u can get one available icon.

 

[puck]

Ok I test newest version,I play naga,it seems works well generally，I just advice modify iilidan's name,u have azshara as queen,its unsuitable for him as a "ruler".Btw,I find azshara's ss need lvl 16,and ai human have 10+ armor,but arch mage have only 3,is it intentional?

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

Ok I test newest version,I play naga,it seems works well generally，I just advice modify iilidan's name,u have azshara as queen,its unsuitable for him as a "ruler".Btw,I find azshara's ss need lvl 16,and ai human have 10+ armor,but arch mage have only 3,is it intentional?

Azshara's ultimate is the strongest at the moment, so it requires lvl 16, this is normal because if the naga delays the game until this point, most likely she will win, N'zoth released into the enemy base will cause chaos there. The armor of the units was redone by me in such a way that every piece of armor on the body gives n-armor. And the higher quality it is in terms of material and appearance, the more armor there is. Although I’m looking now and I missed the fact that the new model of the archmage has shoulder pads and in general he is more protected than the original. I'll buff him in the next update. It's hard to explain but the fact that Footman has a lot of armor is correct, he still loses, in a duel with Grunt. The archmage doesn’t really have armor as such, the mage’s robes and that’s it, it doesn’t give armor, it’s just fabric that can be pierced by a kitchen knife
Naga don't particularly have armor but they have the best health regeneration among the races. The only people who can argue are the Undead and the Zerg on their territory.

 

[puck]

Azshara's ultimate is the strongest at the moment, so it requires lvl 16, this is normal because if the naga delays the game until this point, most likely she will win, N'zoth released into the enemy base will cause chaos there. The armor of the units was redone by me in such a way that every piece of armor on the body gives n-armor. And the higher quality it is in terms of material and appearance, the more armor there is. Although I’m looking now and I missed the fact that the new model of the archmage has shoulder pads and in general he is more protected than the original. I'll buff him in the next update. It's hard to explain but the fact that Footman has a lot of armor is correct, he still loses, in a duel with Grunt. The archmage doesn’t really have armor as such, the mage’s robes and that’s it, it doesn’t give armor, it’s just fabric that can be pierced by a kitchen knife
Naga don't particularly have armor but they have the best health regeneration among the races. The only people who can argue are the Undead and the Zerg on their territory.

OK，ur idea of armor is interesting.I test high elves.I suggest delete some units,they use same icon,and dont have huge distinction.(such as rider and knight).and the ranger need more suitable skill.Last,why azshara and Kerrigan cant speak?

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

OK，ur idea of armor is interesting.I test high elves.I suggest delete some units,they use same icon,and dont have huge distinction.(such as rider and knight).and the ranger need more suitable skill.Last,why azshara and Kerrigan cant speak?

Among the basic voice-overs there are no suitable ones for them. But I don’t know how to create sound patterns. I think I'll delete High Elf Rider. I'll review my skills with the ranger

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

OK，ur idea of armor is interesting.I test high elves.I suggest delete some units,they use same icon,and dont have huge distinction.(such as rider and knight).and the ranger need more suitable skill.Last,why azshara and Kerrigan cant speak?

You may have noticed that elves have evasion. I gave all elves this skill because I believe that their life expectancy should matter and their combat experience is clearly higher than that of humans.

 

[puck]

Among the basic voice-overs there are no suitable ones for them. But I don’t know how to create sound patterns. I think I'll delete High Elf Rider. I'll review my skills with the ranger

oh，u can find azshara's voice in my resource,as for kerrigan,maybe can use her voice in 《HotS》

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

oh，u can find azshara's voice in my resource,as for kerrigan,maybe can use her voice in 《HotS》

This is done through triggers, I already mentioned that I don’t know how to use triggers. The same goes for tables.

 

[puck]

This is done through triggers, I already mentioned that I don’t know how to use triggers. The same goes for tables.

oh，u dont need trigger to do this,just import the resource，and let azshara use corresponding voice.

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

О, для этого вам не нужен триггер, просто импортируйте ресурс и позвольте Азшаре использовать соответствующий голос.

This would ruin the Horde's Shadow Hunter voice acting, wouldn't it?

Updated: I replaced the voice acting of the regular SH with Rohan and added your voice acting for Azshara, indicating a path similar to the path of SH. Thank you I listed you in the list of model authors

 

[puck]

Это испортит озвучку Shadow Hunter of the Horde, не так ли?

U can change its name to a unit that the player cannot operate，such as draenei.

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

U can change its name to a unit that the player cannot operate，such as draenei.

I updated my comment above

 

[puck]

I updated my comment above

Why azshara's attack projectile is the body of Admiral（and she is a melee）

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

I seem to have fixed this in the last update

Why azshara's attack projectile is the body of Admiral（and she is a melee）

Fixed in a big update that will be released today. This is how she usually fights. Watch the boss fight with Azshara on YouTube.

 

[deepstrasz]

The other factions aren't complete, too different from the regular ones.
The Star Wars one has too many units that are pretty much the same thing (meager unit roles; stronger versions of each other) and look alike both in icons and in models (hard readability). R2D2 loses the ability to build after constructing some things. Science Center is empty.
Some units are too huge and cover too much of the screen. Balance is quite off, some are too strong and take too much food.
Zerg don't act like zerg. Drones can build more than one building. Larvae appear on top of each other and have to be manually created, units don't play how they should etc.

Overall quite chaotic and with little to no scripted stuff.

Simple.

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

The other factions aren't complete, too different from the regular ones.
The Star Wars one has too many units that are pretty much the same thing (meager unit roles; stronger versions of each other) and look alike both in icons and in models (hard readability). R2D2 loses the ability to build after constructing some things. Science Center is empty.
Some units are too huge and cover too much of the screen. Balance is quite off, some are too strong and take too much food.
Zerg don't act like zerg. Drones can build more than one building. Larvae appear on top of each other and have to be manually created, units don't play how they should etc.

Overall quite chaotic and with little to no scripted stuff.

Simple.

I have already said that I do not use triggers, scripts or tables. Only the basic component of the game. Units are huge because that is their +-actual size. They cost a lot of food to balance them out relative to the base factions, otherwise they would have to make their cost in gold and wood higher, which would lead to boring gameplay. Well, the fact that the balance is chaotic is so obvious because I am the only one who does this and essentially tests it on bots.

In SW, AT-DP and AT-ST will perform similar roles in the realities of SW, AT-DP is more of a patrol walker, and AT-ST is an assault walker. On the map it is done this way, DP has more visibility and firing radius, ST has more DPS. AT-AT is huge because, excuse me, it’s a 22-meter walker. I do it with an emphasis on logic and relative realism, even if it’s strange in the realities of RTS

The research center is not finished yet, and in general these factions are raw and I introduced them into the game for the entertainment of players. Over time, I will improve them. The map is raw and I do not deny it, but there is an idea in it and someone may like it.

For strange reasons, when starting workers are converted into new ones, they lose the ability to build. Therefore, I made the starting workers of the new factions simply resource miners. The normal ones need to be produced from the town hall yourself. I will try to make the miners more distinctive in color so as not to confuse players

With Drone in the next patch the problem of constructing multiple buildings will be solved


If you play against a bot, you need to take into account that he does not use more than 100 food. Therefore, either you play a fair game with him and also do not use more than 100 food, or you play against 3+ bots. In this case, the new factions will not look as unbalanced as you might think.

 

[puck]

just find its update,I remember when I played last version,computer's hero can not learn skill even,led to the game a bit boring,I want to know whether this bug had been solved?
BTW,spawning ground and naga royal guard dont have English description

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

just find its update,I remember when I played last version,computer's hero can not learn skill even,led to the game a bit boring,I want to know whether this bug had been solved?
BTW,spawning ground and naga royal guard dont have English description

As for the problems with AI, I myself am trying in every way to figure out such moments and why the Alliance does not want to enter Tier 3. And the description will be corrected in the next patch

 

[puck]

Can AI heroes learn skills now?

 

[PyramidHeadUA]

most likely it broke due to reassignment of hotkeys on abilities or changes in description. I don't understand AI settings so I don't know how to solve this problem