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Map is not symetric. You should really work on that.
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(24) Harvesting Operations
- Author(s)
- LordDz
- Tags
- Altered Melee
- Size
- 605.66 KB
- Rating
- Downloads
- 402
- Created
- Apr 1, 2018
- Updated
- Apr 5, 2018
- Resources
- 1
- State
Approved
This bundle is marked as useful / simple. Simplicity is bliss, low effort and/or may contain minor bugs.
Description
Life used to be so calm here, nobody disturbed us and we could harvest our farms in peace. Then the greedy goblin corporations discovered that our trees could be turned into gold (their saying).
So we took up arms. It's time to liberate the forest of the goblins and start our own harvesting operation. Let's get rich!
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The forest is filled with creeps for early creeping, then it's up to you to kill the other players if you want another gold mine. No market, fountains or dragon roosts as they've been proved to be quite OP in FFA maps.
Minimap icons have been reduced slightly in size, so the minimap should be a little less clustered than before.
Towers can now no longer be built, except for the scout tower and the Ziggurat. This is to prevent the stalemate that often happens in 24 player maps where players just build lots of towers. Yes, Undead players will now be more vulnerable in the early game, that's their loss.
Map is not symmetric by nature, it's not intended to be. So enjoy the chaos of 24 player melee!
Map Specifics
Build your base in this peaceful land, enjoy the sunshine and the fresh spirit of the forest.
Then kill the Goblin invaders that are trying to make a profit of the forest. Corrupted greedy fools!
That's better, it's time to get rich! Now to remove the other players who are trying to do the same..
Authors Notes
Created for the https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/map-contest-24-is-the-new-12.303661 contest.
Uploaded here with some minor tweaks.
Life used to be so calm here, nobody disturbed us and we could harvest our farms in peace. Then the greedy goblin corporations discovered that our trees could be turned into gold (their saying).
So we took up arms. It's time to liberate the forest of the goblins and start our own harvesting operation. Let's get rich!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The forest is filled with creeps for early creeping, then it's up to you to kill the other players if you want another gold mine. No market, fountains or dragon roosts as they've been proved to be quite OP in FFA maps.
Minimap icons have been reduced slightly in size, so the minimap should be a little less clustered than before.
Towers can now no longer be built, except for the scout tower and the Ziggurat. This is to prevent the stalemate that often happens in 24 player maps where players just build lots of towers. Yes, Undead players will now be more vulnerable in the early game, that's their loss.
Map is not symmetric by nature, it's not intended to be. So enjoy the chaos of 24 player melee!
Map Specifics
| 24 |
| 34 |
| 24, 40k gold each |
Build your base in this peaceful land, enjoy the sunshine and the fresh spirit of the forest.
Then kill the Goblin invaders that are trying to make a profit of the forest. Corrupted greedy fools!
That's better, it's time to get rich! Now to remove the other players who are trying to do the same..
[2018-04-01]-Uploaded
-Fixed description
-Fixed description
Authors Notes
Created for the https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/map-contest-24-is-the-new-12.303661 contest.
Uploaded here with some minor tweaks.
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Reviews
- Joined
- May 11, 2007
- Messages
- 4,650
I made this map with non-symmetry in mind, to keep it a bit random with the chaos that 24 player maps usually give.
No player should be in a position where they will get an obvious advantage thought.
No player should be in a position where they will get an obvious advantage thought.
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Yes, but it would be nice if everything was symmetrical so each player has a easy advantage, so each player position is equal.
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Hello all!
I had to chime in this discussion: Making a melee map symmetrical shouldn't be obligatory. It's just a common practice for competitive maps. Authors shouldn't be forced to make maps like this everytime, they can make them different if they want to - while recognizing it probably won't be a good competitive melee map.
I do enjoy asymmetrical melee a lot (I even have one uploaded here myself), and I don't think people should be denied to upload asymmetrical maps, because if we look closely we even have (6) Jungle Fever and (6) Andorhal in our default Frozen Throne melee maps folder:
Now about this map (24) Harvesting Operations: it's not an... exciting map. Terrain serves it's practical purpose of providing the physical space to the battle, but nothing more. There could've been some eye-candy! And also more interesting routes/paths, like in these examples above. The tile variation work does look good, I'll give you that.
Another important thing for competitive maps is to make the trees around the main gold mine of the player more narrow, so he/she can block it off with buildings early game and protect their gold-mining workers from Blademaster harass in the very first minutes (like how this player is trying to do it here).
I had to chime in this discussion: Making a melee map symmetrical shouldn't be obligatory. It's just a common practice for competitive maps. Authors shouldn't be forced to make maps like this everytime, they can make them different if they want to - while recognizing it probably won't be a good competitive melee map.
I do enjoy asymmetrical melee a lot (I even have one uploaded here myself), and I don't think people should be denied to upload asymmetrical maps, because if we look closely we even have (6) Jungle Fever and (6) Andorhal in our default Frozen Throne melee maps folder:
Now about this map (24) Harvesting Operations: it's not an... exciting map. Terrain serves it's practical purpose of providing the physical space to the battle, but nothing more. There could've been some eye-candy! And also more interesting routes/paths, like in these examples above. The tile variation work does look good, I'll give you that.
Another important thing for competitive maps is to make the trees around the main gold mine of the player more narrow, so he/she can block it off with buildings early game and protect their gold-mining workers from Blademaster harass in the very first minutes (like how this player is trying to do it here).
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Thanks for the feedback, I'll tweak the map with it 
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Altered melee and melee tags are oposite, your map is altered melee so please remove the melee tag
melee means normal play, removing towers makes it altered
melee means normal play, removing towers makes it altered
Map Reviewer
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- Jun 4, 2009
- Messages
- 20,215
The map is not saved with the latest melee patch (map options) meaning not all heroes available in the Tavern.
Meagre changes to be called altered melee. Here's how it's done:
How to: Create a Full-working Custom Race
Custom Race Creation: Advanced Mechanics
UB - Ultimate Battle v1.99c AI+
Deforestation of Felwood v2.1.1
Nightborne v1.04
Planetary Domination v2.04
Sands of Time [v1.9]
The Grand Citadel (Racial Issue 1.6)
In terms of melee, maybe it could work as FFA but you'd have to balance things as much as possible and no non-melee things like removing towers and using a Goblin Shredder as a neutral hostile unit.
Some camps drop an awful lot of items.
The terrain is mostly flat.
Why place creeps so far from the mines?
A Granite Golem didn't drop anything and neither its buddies in the south-west.
Too much gold in the mines.
Ghosts should not be alone if they drop items and they certainly shouldn't drop items because they have the Possession ability.
Casters should not be placed in front of a neutral camp.
Some creep camp positioning seems to be kind of random. Might want to mirror them how you can on this map's design.
Awaiting Update.
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Paillan
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Meagre changes to be called altered melee. Here's how it's done:
How to: Create a Full-working Custom Race
Custom Race Creation: Advanced Mechanics
UB - Ultimate Battle v1.99c AI+
Deforestation of Felwood v2.1.1
Nightborne v1.04
Planetary Domination v2.04
Sands of Time [v1.9]
The Grand Citadel (Racial Issue 1.6)
In terms of melee, maybe it could work as FFA but you'd have to balance things as much as possible and no non-melee things like removing towers and using a Goblin Shredder as a neutral hostile unit.
Some camps drop an awful lot of items.
The terrain is mostly flat.
Why place creeps so far from the mines?
A Granite Golem didn't drop anything and neither its buddies in the south-west.
Too much gold in the mines.
Ghosts should not be alone if they drop items and they certainly shouldn't drop items because they have the Possession ability.
Casters should not be placed in front of a neutral camp.
Some creep camp positioning seems to be kind of random. Might want to mirror them how you can on this map's design.
Awaiting Update.
If you want more reviews, you should participate in the The Grand Review Exchange!
R U L E S
Site Rules
Map Submission Rules
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BB Codes | HIVE
MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3
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BB Codes | HIVE
MELEE MAPS
Description Guide - Melee Maps
Describing Your Melee Map
Melee Map Description Generator v1.3
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If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique
LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique
LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts
Paillan
twojstaryjakcie
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/staff-contact.692/
