War's Legacy v1.60 (Kul Tiran)

[Wa666r]

Hi, this is an amazing altered melee map, probably one of the best I have played throughout my entire years of playing WC3. But I have found a few issues which I have found and would like to bring to your attention:

1. Sometimes stutters appear, ranging from a few seconds duration to 8 seconds ones, where games almost seem to have crashed.
2. The game crashes every time I try to play the Dark Horde. After the 10 minutes mark, the game randomly freezes and stops to respond. So far it has only occurred to me with the Dark Horde and not any other faction. Doesn't matter what units I employ, who is the enemy, and which map I am playing. The game has broken for 100% of the time while I was playing the Dark Horde and not any other faction so far.

Again not to undermine your work, which is honestly amazing, just trying to bring your attention to a few issues, one of which is honestly game breaking. Feel free to ping me in case you have any questions or if you need help with testing the issues I have mentioned.

Thanks for brining it up. Any issues that can be found and fixed will only help the project. There has to be something seriously causing issues with the Dark Horde. Does the game slow down or is it just fine, then instant crash? Or does it get progressively worse then the full freeze?

Feel free to bring up other issues.

 

[Hugo Von Hrim]

Thanks for brining it up. Any issues that can be found and fixed will only help the project. There has to be something seriously causing issues with the Dark Horde. Does the game slow down or is it just fine, then instant crash? Or does it get progressively worse then the full freeze?

Feel free to bring up other issues.

So I did some testing and actually found some interesting results:

• The game only crashes when I am playing as the dark horde in a 2v2 match. In 1v1 or 2v1 everything is okay, I was able to get to tier 3 and had matches up to 30 minutes.
• The crash occurs randomly at some point in game after reaching the tear 2 by upgrading the main building. The crash itself is a sudden freeze of the game without the game unfreezing afterwards. Additionally windows message appears saying that the Wc3 process has stopped responding asking if I would like to kill it.

Not sure what causes it, feels like this occurs only where there is 4 or more players at the same time, but for some reason only when dark horde is present on the map.

 

[NightborneMagistrix]

Absolutely amazing! I love how unique each race is and i especially love the design of the void elves. The massive scope of this of course causes rare crashes and lags but its not that big of a deal. Hoping you add the nightborne eventually <3.

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

I can't wait update for Forsaken, Scarlet Crusade and Furryes(Worgens), but very good work.

Good luck.

 

[Wa666r]

So I did some testing and actually found some interesting results:

• The game only crashes when I am playing as the dark horde in a 2v2 match. In 1v1 or 2v1 everything is okay, I was able to get to tier 3 and had matches up to 30 minutes.
• The crash occurs randomly at some point in game after reaching the tear 2 by upgrading the main building. The crash itself is a sudden freeze of the game without the game unfreezing afterwards. Additionally windows message appears saying that the Wc3 process has stopped responding asking if I would like to kill it.

Not sure what causes it, feels like this occurs only where there is 4 or more players at the same time, but for some reason only when dark horde is present on the map.

Thanks, I'm taking a look at it. Not sure I'll be able to fix it though.

Absolutely amazing! I love how unique each race is and i especially love the design of the void elves. The massive scope of this of course causes rare crashes and lags but its not that big of a deal. Hoping you add the nightborne eventually <3.

Glad you like them! My Nightborne have to overhauled first.

I can't wait update for Forsaken, Scarlet Crusade and Furryes(Worgens), but very good work.

Good luck.

Funny enough, those three I am having most trouble trying to revamp.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Played as Wildhammer Dwarves some time ago.

When I played against them as Dark Iron Dwarves, I thought - "What a joke this race is? Why they are so weak?"
After playing I understood why - they are stronger when closer to their own death. I liked that passive of cheating death for some seconds, I found it close enough to Arthanis Co-Op passive ability to add shield upon unit possible death.

Overall my opinion of your races doesn't changed - they are all cool and have their bits and offs.
Like... Ah, wait, I already pressed it down.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Played as Fel Horde. I have only one note for this race:

• It would be nice to have some sort of Obsidian Statue-like unit, maybe with a fel boar mechanic? Probably just a big fel pig creature, so you can always have some sort of healing in case of heated battles. Probably this fel boar creature could have lesser cannibalism or not. I think that adding such unit will help Fel Horde's gameplay style a lot.

Overall, the race wasn't as strong as I thought, but still - smashed poor Horde like a knife through butter.

 

[Wa666r]

Played as Wildhammer Dwarves some time ago.

When I played against them as Dark Iron Dwarves, I thought - "What a joke this race is? Why they are so weak?"
After playing I understood why - they are stronger when closer to their own death. I liked that passive of cheating death for some seconds, I found it close enough to Arthanis Co-Op passive ability to add shield upon unit possible death.

Overall my opinion of your races doesn't changed - they are all cool and have their bits and offs.
Like... Ah, wait, I already pressed it down.

Hell yeah. I think they're a bit tricky to play, but can get very powerful.

Played as Fel Horde. I have only one note for this race:

• It would be nice to have some sort of Obsidian Statue-like unit, maybe with a fel boar mechanic? Probably just a big fel pig creature, so you can always have some sort of healing in case of heated battles. Probably this fel boar creature could have lesser cannibalism or not. I think that adding such unit will help Fel Horde's gameplay style a lot.

Overall, the race wasn't as strong as I thought, but still - smashed poor Horde like a knife through butter.

Well they arent meant to have a super reliable source of healing, they have a lot of hit points and already lots of methods to heal themselves. Such as killing the Fel Boars, Attacking Slaves, using Sacrifice from the caster, and having a powerful healing ward like item at t3.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

I can say that Dark Horde is still broken. Game just freezes on 17-18 ingame minute timer mark.

 

[Wa666r]

https://imgur.com/1zrA8Pe

Guess I'll keep trying to fix it.

 

[APOCACS]

I wish there was a demon hunter agi hero, still really liked the new race

 

[Wa666r]

I wish there was a demon hunter agi hero, still really liked the new race

You mean like a hero the Night Elves might use?

 

[APOCACS]

You mean like a hero the Night Elves might use?

Idk maybe a bit different abilities, but i understand why you didn't do that

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

Idk maybe a bit different abilities, but i understand why you didn't do that

There is an explanation for this too, for the Illidari are not only Night Elves-Demon Hunters, there are also Blood Elves and other creatures from Outland who are loyal to Illidan. The Nags, for example.

 

[APOCACS]

Idk maybe a bit different abilities, but i understand why you didn't do that

Tbf when people think of illidari they always think of the demon hunters illidan trained

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

It's not even a week after the 1.2 update.

If it's no secret what race will be next for the update?

 

[Wa666r]

It's not even a week after the 1.2 update.

If it's no secret what race will be next for the update?

I had a lot of free time on my hand. Most likely the High Elves to be added. I'm still thinking of ways to revamp the remaining 5 races.

 

[The Nightmare Book]

https://imgur.com/1zrA8Pe

Guess I'll keep trying to fix it.

And now it's working!

I even played it with 7 other AI's, and I instantly regret placing 2 AI Qiraji in one team - they are unstoppable.
Black Dragons are crazy. Rest of units? Quite meh, actually. If I didn't trained that unbalanced Black Dragon Lord and mix it with black dragons and dark riders, I would lose.
And this is fair for Qiraji to have flying hero? I mean I don't worry if he can fly, but he can be attacked only by ranged units mostly.
And black whelp can attack ground, even the description states that he can attack only air (or ground).

 

[Pheik Aubre]

Ok. So, I've tried two of this Wars Legacy maps, which are Bane Burrow and Encircled. Then, I saved the game. But, while I was loading the save game file, the game crashed and said that "The application encountered an unexpected error. To help us identify the problem, please describe what you were doing when the error occurred." I don't know what happens, but somehow I tried the original campaign map, saved, and then load the save file, all that I've got was fine. I hope that there would be a lot of fixed and rearranged for this map.

Also (despite of all this error) I think that it would be a great if you added a lot of long eared and ghost/knights/poltergeist/valkyr women models unit for the Forsaken race (or should I say elven undead model units) instead of skeletons kind model. Apothecary (Hero Grim Reaper model), Undead Watcher (using Watcher Death Knight.blp), Undead Dragonhawk Rider, Undead Warlock, Val'Kyr, and Undead Elven Valkyrie would be a great idea.

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

Ok. So, I've tried two of this Wars Legacy maps, which are Bane Burrow and Encircled. Then, I saved the game. But, while I was loading the save game file, the game crashed and said that "The application encountered an unexpected error. To help us identify the problem, please describe what you were doing when the error occurred." I don't know what happens, but somehow I tried the original campaign map, saved, and then load the save file, all that I've got was fine. I hope that there would be a lot of fixed and rearranged for this map.

Also (despite of all this error) I think that it would be a great if you added a lot of long eared and ghost/knights/poltergeist/valkyr women models unit for the Forsaken race (or should I say elven undead model units) instead of skeletons kind model. Apothecary (Hero Grim Reaper model), Undead Watcher (using Watcher Death Knight.blp), Undead Dragonhawk Rider, Undead Warlock, Val'Kyr, and Undead Elven Valkyrie would be a great idea.

Sounds like a request to add Forsaken, but as the author said - he's having trouble updating them and is thinking of ways to update/improve them. And copying from the Curse of the Forsaken campaigns is not cool in his opinion.

 

[Wa666r]

And now it's working!

I even played it with 7 other AI's, and I instantly regret placing 2 AI Qiraji in one team - they are unstoppable.
Black Dragons are crazy. Rest of units? Quite meh, actually. If I didn't trained that unbalanced Black Dragon Lord and mix it with black dragons and dark riders, I would lose.
And this is fair for Qiraji to have flying hero? I mean I don't worry if he can fly, but he can be attacked only by ranged units mostly.
And black whelp can attack ground, even the description states that he can attack only air (or ground).

Glad it finally works! I saw a few freezes mid game unfortunately. Seems to really happen more with the Qiraji.
I mean, its hard to gauge how good or bad units are based on one game.
The flying hero can only fly at its ult at level 6, and when it flies it has greatly reduced defenses. So balanced enough imo.
Yeah, those guys shouldn't attack ground.

Ok. So, I've tried two of this Wars Legacy maps, which are Bane Burrow and Encircled. Then, I saved the game. But, while I was loading the save game file, the game crashed and said that "The application encountered an unexpected error. To help us identify the problem, please describe what you were doing when the error occurred." I don't know what happens, but somehow I tried the original campaign map, saved, and then load the save file, all that I've got was fine. I hope that there would be a lot of fixed and rearranged for this map.

Also (despite of all this error) I think that it would be a great if you added a lot of long eared and ghost/knights/poltergeist/valkyr women models unit for the Forsaken race (or should I say elven undead model units) instead of skeletons kind model. Apothecary (Hero Grim Reaper model), Undead Watcher (using Watcher Death Knight.blp), Undead Dragonhawk Rider, Undead Warlock, Val'Kyr, and Undead Elven Valkyrie would be a great idea.

Save/Loads have been broken even in the base game. I dont recommend playing with saving and loading. There's nothing I can do to fix that.
The Forsaken would get a complete remake when and if I get to them.

Sounds like a request to add Forsaken, but as the author said - he's having trouble updating them and is thinking of ways to update/improve them. And copying from the Curse of the Forsaken campaigns is not cool in his opinion.

Yup. Plus, the Forsaken from that campaign are not my own nor would they fit in with my factions.

 

[Venombite]

How's the Nightborne update going?

 

[Wa666r]

How's the Nightborne update going?

In the early stages.

 

[Percival Armen]

I've recently tried to play with with my friend but for some reason, in multiplayer game it disconnects the host and in LAN it kicks out the other player, ending up in WarCraft disconnecting from the BAttle.net and having to restart it. I tried other maps with my friend and they work.

So... What gives?

 

[Kyrbi0]

Unfortunately, Warcraft 3 race design in its own right needs to follow a design philosophy that is symmetrical in nature. I think there are some ways to push the envelope in some ways and come up with some unique elements for unit designs, but there's also some things that often need to be introduced freely.

That being said, I do prefer the assymetric design philosophy, so maybe one day I'll see just how much I can get away with in custom race design again.

The relative symmetry of Wc3 is up for debate; it's certainly more symmetrical than, say, Starcraft, but very assymmetrical compared to, say Age of Empires. It's a spectrum. I think Wc3 is fairly assymetrical, personally, but there's a fair amount of coherence (at least mechanically, if not visually) between all the units/buildings/etc even still, down to the stuff we're talking about here (e.g. "artillery siege").

Which is kind of a primary point of subjectivity upon which custom faction design rests: everyone's got a different tolerance for/interest in 'divergence', and so we're all gonna approach it a little differently. Part of the fun of it all!

(Now, that could be the end of it... But re: "pushing the envelope", I think that's all well & good, unless we're talking about "designing factions to match Blizzard's"/"following Blizzard's Wc3 design patterns"/"making factions which 'feel' authentic to Wc3". Something could be playable & very fun, perfectly balanced & lore-appropriate to Wc3 & full of strategic depth... but still not "feel" like one of the OG 4, and I think that comes down to not pushing the envelope in too many ways. I would thus make a stronger argument for stuff like "artillery siege", which truly exists in every faction, if you aim to make factions in that way.

But still! To each their own.)

 

[dice_rocks]

This is an amazing project

So much content and so many different factions
I like how each faction feels unique and have their own mechanics

The stability of the map needs work though, not sure if it even is possible to make the map stable while having so many different assets and triggers for each factions

 

[Wa666r]

I've recently tried to play with with my friend but for some reason, in multiplayer game it disconnects the host and in LAN it kicks out the other player, ending up in WarCraft disconnecting from the BAttle.net and having to restart it. I tried other maps with my friend and they work.

So... What gives?

I don't know, I tested the multiplayer and it worked fine. If you're unable to join one another in Blizz it usually means that the game didn't connect properly and didn't start to download. A lot of the times its takes multiple attempts at trying to join to get it working. You can thank Blizzard for that one.

This is an amazing project

So much content and so many different factions
I like how each faction feels unique and have their own mechanics

The stability of the map needs work though, not sure if it even is possible to make the map stable while having so many different assets and triggers for each factions

The stability is difficult. I'm likely pushing the game to its limits.

 

[raypack]

Bots work with custom races?

 

[The Nightmare Book]

Bots work with custom races?

I played 2 vs 2 vs 2 using only custom races. So yes.

 

[Avidez]

I got this little bug. Where most units of all custom races have a magical blue orb attached to them. nothing game breaking but visuel annoying^^

 

[Wa666r]

I got this little bug. Where most units of all custom races have a magical blue orb attached to them. nothing game breaking but visuel annoying^^

Looks like the updated maps didn't go through. The latest version of 1.31 has this fixed. You can thank Blizz for this bug. Each patch from them brings more unnecessary bugs.

 

[gsdsdt]

Very exciting work, looking forward to Scarlet Crusade being added to the game!

By the way, are there any plans to add the Naga race to this game? Thanks.

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

Very exciting work, looking forward to Scarlet Crusade being added to the game!

By the way, are there any plans to add the Naga race to this game? Thanks.

One out of every six mapmakers made a naga race.

Also, Illidari has both units and a hero.

 

[gsdsdt]

One out of every six mapmakers made a naga race.

Also, Illidari has both units and a hero.

okay, thank you

 

[Wazzz]

Very exciting work, looking forward to Scarlet Crusade being added to the game!

By the way, are there any plans to add the Naga race to this game? Thanks.

I know from my own discussions with Wa666r that, previously, there were no plans for doing Naga as he does tend to prefer doing factions that haven't been represented in Warcraft 3 modding.
Whether or not those plans have changed, I cannot say.

 

[Wa666r]

No plans for Blood Elves, Naga, or a Demon faction. Play as the Illidari if you want those.

 

[Venombite]

Any plans for Kul Tirans or Zandalari maybe?

Maybe something Dragonflight related (Dragonspawn, Drakonid or Dracthyr)?

 

[Wa666r]

Any plans for Kul Tirans or Zandalari maybe?

Maybe something Dragonflight related (Dragonspawn, Drakonid or Dracthyr)?

My focus is on revamping my older factions right now. Not much else.

 

[Wazzz]

My focus is on revamping my older factions right now. Not much else.

Weren't you working on the Zandalari at some point? Did you get far with those before?

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

Weren't you working on the Zandalari at some point? Did you get far with those before?

Unlikely, for his resources didn't include his separate map with the custom Zandalar race. Probably confused with Drakkari?

However, his original goal was to look at High Elves for balance, models and such. Then will already move on to the rest of the non-added races.

Regarding Kul'Tiras - makes sense...if would add new maps with seas and ships, but his triggers are still unstable so he could just shove in any melee-map(thx blizz)

 

[Avidez]

Absolutely in love with all those races! been busy for days looking at all the details!
brilliant work!

Love the nerubians! Also the qiraji!

Small editor question. How did you make the 'prioritize' ability appear in the editior?
On my maps, I know it exists because I can see them in the list while giving a unit new abilities. but in the ability editor it is invisible

 

[Wa666r]

Weren't you working on the Zandalari at some point? Did you get far with those before?

Twas years and years ago. I might give it another look eventually.

Unlikely, for his resources didn't include his separate map with the custom Zandalar race. Probably confused with Drakkari?

However, his original goal was to look at High Elves for balance, models and such. Then will already move on to the rest of the non-added races.

Regarding Kul'Tiras - makes sense...if would add new maps with seas and ships, but his triggers are still unstable so he could just shove in any melee-map(thx blizz)

Kul Tiras would have to be balanced out for a non-ship map. I have ideas for them, but nothing concrete.

Absolutely in love with all those races! been busy for days looking at all the details!
brilliant work!

Love the nerubians! Also the qiraji!

Glad you like em.

Small editor question. How did you make the 'prioritize' ability appear in the editior?
On my maps, I know it exists because I can see them in the list while giving a unit new abilities. but in the ability editor it is invisible

There's no reason it shouldn't appear. I use the one based on the ability they gave to the Gargoyle.

 

[Wazzz]

Twas years and years ago. I might give it another look eventually.

That sounds about right for when I remember it from xD
I also remember you were looking at some WoW race a long time ago that I forgot the name of, that were kind of like vampires but weren't the Nethrezim, but I think you ended up having difficulty working enough assets out for them?

 

[TheVoidSlayer]

That sounds about right for when I remember it from xD
I also remember you were looking at some WoW race a long time ago that I forgot the name of, that were kind of like vampires but weren't the Nethrezim, but I think you ended up having difficulty working enough assets out for them?

Two options:

Either you're talking about San'layn's, but those are vampire elves than pureblood vampires, or Venthyr.

 

[Wazzz]

Two options:

Either you're talking about San'layn's, but those are vampire elves than pureblood vampires, or Venthyr.

Strangely enough, I think at some point he was working on both, but at separate times

The Venthyr was the one I was struggling to remember, though, thank you

 

[Wa666r]

That sounds about right for when I remember it from xD
I also remember you were looking at some WoW race a long time ago that I forgot the name of, that were kind of like vampires but weren't the Nethrezim, but I think you ended up having difficulty working enough assets out for them?

You just remember every faction I tried working on dont you? xD

Yeah. The Sanlayn are put on ice for now. I got the models and icons made then other things got in the way.

 

[Wazzz]

You just remember every faction I tried working on dont you? xD

Yeah. The Sanlayn are put on ice for now. I got the models and icons made then other things got in the way.

Haha I might actually, as long as I heard about it at some point

Oh that's really cool that you got that much sorted for them, though, I might have to borrow them at some point if that's an option

 

[Dreadlord Tichondrius]

As soon as I saw it, I had to download it!

EDIT: Crashes the game every five mins wich really sucks, because that's the point where you get very strong tier three units!
second edit: Every map I play lags, since I have Wars Legacy.

 

[Dreadlord Tichondrius]

The game crashes every time I try to play the Dark Horde. After the 10 minutes mark, the game randomly freezes and stops to respond. So far it has only occurred to me with the Dark Horde and not any other faction.

Happens to me with bronzebeard clan.

 

[Wa666r]

As soon as I saw it, I had to download it!

EDIT: Crashes the game every five mins wich really sucks, because that's the point where you get very strong tier three units!
second edit: Every map I play lags, since I have Wars Legacy.

Well it shouldn't be crashing every 5 mins. There's going to be a little lag here and there, especially with a lot of factions at once.

Happens to me with bronzebeard clan.

What was happening when it crashed?