Approved
Thank you
Yes, but this one is partially different story per Renn01's post.
I'm really glad to see that you enjoyed the prologue and the first mission. That motivates me even more to keep working on the next parts. I'll take a look at Zagara's abilities before she completely breaks the game haha. Thanks for the recommendation and the support!
Chapter 2 is next, and from then on Kerrigan plays, it's not ready yet.
Are you referring to a melee map for multiplayer/online?
Thanks for the comment! Yes, there will be sequels; the idea is to continue with the Zerg, Terran, and Protoss (perhaps in that order, although I haven't completely decided yet and it could change in the future). For now, I want to focus on finishing this first part properly.
Melee map with new races (Terran from SC1 & SC2, Zerg from SC1 & SC2 and Protoss from SC1 & SC2) along with Classic Warcraft III races (Human, Orc, Undead and Night Elf).
Maybe later on, yes
Okay, don't worry.Discord está bien.Solo para advertir, el inglés no es mi lengua materna.
YOU ARE AWESOME BRO!! NICE MAP
Thank you
Thanks for your suggestion, I'll keep it in mind. I'm glad you liked itAs an avid fan and long-time player of SC1 and SC2, this campaign immediately caught my eye and so far I was really impressed with how you've managed to tie in Starcraft 2 with Warcraft 3 thematically. Graphically and visually, it feels epic and grand and every cutscene is extremely well done albeit with some grammatical errors. Unfortunately this campaign REALLY suffers in the gameplay department. Currently I have only played up to two missions on Normal difficult, and plan on doing the rest in the future, but I had to stop because the current gameplay loop has left me exhausted. I would like to see these issues fixed before more missions are pumped out because this project is quite exciting!
I have found a number of issues, but bear in mind this is not to be insulting or mean, its to highlight potentially problematic areas in the campaign that could and should be improved upon.
This mission was a cool little prologue and you've managed to capture the look of Char from Starcraft 2 immaculately, but the actual gameplay feels VERY overwhelming for a first time mission. I've completed the Zerg campaigns on Brutal in SC2 and have achieved Masters 3 on the ladder with them so I am extremely familiar with the roster and the techtree, but even then I had a tough time adjusting to suddenly being thrown into a familiar environment in a different engine.
You control a max level Zagara with all her abilities unlocked, without any introduction to how those abilities work, then you are given almost the entirety of the Zerg unit composition against the entirety of the Terran unit composition, which work a tad bit differently from how they are in SC2 so I had to adjust myself to their stats, damage types, and armor types to know which counters what.
On top of trying to adjust to the new environment of now controlling a Zerg roster in Warcraft 3's engine, there is also a timer pressuring the player to finish the mission. Fortunately this timer is long enough that it actually doesn't matter and you're given so much army that you can freely just a-move into everything, although with the 12 selection limit, it becomes super difficult to get your constantly spawning army into the fight. Not to mention you get access to Hydralisks with a manual cast Frenzy ability, as well as Lurkers that have to burrow, which is just additional micromanagement in a map where you are given 100+ food worth of units.
Then you finally reach the Odin boss fight. At first it was a great surprise to see the Odin in Warcraft 3 since I really enjoyed the Odin missions in Wings of Liberty, and its appearance in Heart of the Swarm as a boss unit. However, the actual boss fight itself is absolutely dreadful despite being visually stunning.
One of its abilities allows it to launch a barrage of nukes around it, which after a few seconds deals HUGE damage. This in itself normally wouldn't be an issue since you can just move away from it, BUT the ability either has a short or no cooldown at all because the Odin can just keep spamming it, zoning me away from dealing damage to it. Additionally, its high HP pool means that if the Odin managed to kill a bunch of your units with this absolutely BS ability, you'll eventually reach a point where it becomes flat out impossible to kill the Odin or at least take a very long time.
Oh there's also a bug where the Queen unit has 2 Creep Tumor ability icons for some reason. The health bars of some Terran units such as the Battlecruiser is also extremely tiny.
Suggestions:
- Trickle the unit types in. Start with Zerglings and Hydralisks. Unlock Roaches and Ultralisks as you clear areas, followed by a "New Unit Available" text to show when you're able to use new unit types. Currently, it just overwhelms the player with too much junk. You should instead be teaching/guiding players into utilizing the first few unit types OR don't give them Queens/Lurkers, units that require micro. Think of the mission 3 of the HotS campaign, or mission 1 of the LotV campaign. HotS only let you control swarms of Zerglings and Queens in the 3rd mission, while LotV mainly only gave you a-move units such as Zealots, Immortals, and Collosus. I get that you're trying to go for an "epic big swarm" feel, but you need to tone it down to allow the player to digest whatever the hell is happening here.
- Perhaps lock Zagara's Ultimate ability, and unlock it as you encounter more areas to clear, with some dialogue from Zagara hinting at it being unlocked.
- Give the player periodic income so the player can keep pumping out Zerg units even after they've picked up all the loot and have spent it all. This mission is supposed to be an introduction mission, so you should add safeguards to prevent the player from getting softlocked and having to restart/load an earlier save.
- Change Hydralisk's Frenzy to be an autocast ability. There is NO reason for this to be an ability I have to manually cast.
- Add a longer cooldown to the Odin's nuke ability. It spams it way too frequently and makes the entire fight unfun and unfair.
- Maybe take a look at the Terran units selection circles and health bars so they look right.
I loved the vibes and aesthetic of this mission. Kerrigan's first encounter with the Gurubashi trolls was cool, and I was looking forward to see how the Zerg would adjust to Azeroth. Once again, the terraining is extremely high quality and well-done. Buuuut, then we're back to gameplay issues that have dragged what would be an amazing experience down to the ground.
Kerrigan's Psionic Storm feels extremely unusable in the early portions of this mission as a player is more likely to just storm their Zerglings against the early creeps, that it just became easier to attack move with Kerrigan and proc Chain Lightning on attacks. It also feels really weird that Kerrigan is a melee hero when in the HotS campaign, she was a ranged hero that struck enemies with lightning.
Once we destroy the first troll village, we get another masterfully made cutscene, and then we finally get to build our very first Zerg base, yay! Now that the pacing has slowed down, I was actually able to check out how you've translated the Zerg units to Starcraft 2, and I've noticed some questionable decisions.
- Overlord only has 200 hit points, which is exactly how much HP they have in Starcraft 2. I was expecting these to have at least 400 HP.
- Roaches and Hydralisks both have Medium armor and a Piercing attack. Roaches also have more attack range than the Hydralisks for some reason. The Roach in Starcraft 2 is meant to be a frontline short-ranged attacker, so I was expecting it to have Normal damage, and Heavy armor. so they can actually function as a proper frontline unit. Heck, maybe even give them Siege damage.
- Hunter Killers have a fixed amount of damage, which is weird if the intent is to translate everything to Warcraft 3's gameplay.
- The costs of everything seem relatively unchanged despite now using the Warcraft 3 economy.
- Banelings do not have an attack, and have to use the Explode ability to deal damage. This is annoying because you cannot Attack Move, and not only that, they do FRIENDLY FIRE, so if you spam Banelings, you are more than likely to just blow your own units up,
- The Extractor has a smaller building size than the Gold Mine, and the Hatchery is smaller than a Town Hall. I assume this is because a lot of the data is taken from the original Warcraft vs Starcraft mod on moddb, and these things haven't been changed.
And then we finally fight the Trolls, and the AI and troll faction is just way too overtuned.
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Here I'm thrown against an entire army of Batriders, Dire Trolls, and casters that can summon Serpents AND use Lightning Shield. This is meant to be the 2nd mission, and the "first" actual base you have to destroy to reach and save Zagara, yet it is such a slog.
You are stuck on 1 base, and the enemy spams so much junk that the Zerg do not have the tools to counter. Lightning Shield makes Zerglings useless, Dire Trolls are just way too tanky, and the Batriders force you to spam Hydralisks which get shredded by the Dire Trolls and Lightning Shield. By the time you have a decent army, the enemy has maxed out on a massive army, and it becomes impossible to keep up against them as your resources are limited.
Once you clear this area out, the entire mission becomes a breeze, but getting to that point shouldn't be a painful experience.
Additionally, I've gotten all 4 masks, and Kerrigan mentions that she has somehow grown stronger, but it doesn't actually state what part of her has gotten stronger?
There's also a few issues such as Creep Tumors not even providing a move speed or attack speed boost, so spreading creep is kind of useless.
Suggestions:
- Kerrigan could be ranged instead of melee, and perhaps make burrow give her hp regen because you have no healing options until you get Zagara and the Queen.
- Psionic Storm should NOT do friendly fire. It is too easy to kill your own Zerglings.
- Banelings should have an attack which triggers their Explode ability, so you can just attack move with them. Also remove friendly fire from the explosion so you can spam Banelings like in Starcraft 2.
- Roaches should have a different attack type and armor type from the Hydralisk, as well as less range. The Roach is supposed to be a short-ranged frontline unit, so give them Heavy armor. Also don't they spit green acid biles in Starcraft 2 instead of whatever the purple missile is?
- Fix the Extractor and Hatchery pathing/building sizes to match what their Warcraft 3 equivalent would be (Town Hall / Gold Mine)
- The AI's production should be slowed down. They produce WAY too fast. They should also have LESS Dire Trolls and Batriders. Lightning Shield is absolutely cancer to fight against when all my Zerg units have 200-450 hit points, they should not have this on mission 2.
- Actually tell the player what getting the 4 masks do for Kerrigan, or give her an item with a tooltip for it.
- Fix the creep tumors so they can provide a move speed buff, adding a purpose for spreading creep.
With the main line of criticism and issues done, I can move onto some praise. The main strength of this campaign is definitely the visuals, cutscenes, and the way it ties Starcraft into Warcraft in a way that just feels right. The rips of the Starcraft 2 model work really well with the Reforged graphics, and blends it seamlessly with the game engine, The cinematics are high quality, and the terraining is extremely pretty and well-done that I spent some time ogling the visuals. All-in-all, this is a project that has potential and I'm eager to see where it goes! I hope you keep working on this! (hopefully with all the issues I mentioned fixed)
Also, one final issue. The collision/selection boxes of the Zerg units are either tiny or just non-existent because it is very hard to click on units such as the Hydralisk or Queen. This is mainly a model issue that could easily be resolved by just adding some collision spheres/boxes, or recalculating extents. Fixing this would improve the responsiveness of these units a lot.
So ill try my best but in Sc2 the unit collision is different compared to wc3 as they can kind of push/stack other units. You also have the select all of course since that game has way more units on screen. Since the larva spawn around hatchery in turn the units spawn at the larva/egg position. When units come out of the eggs it seems they are surrounded by other eggs or the larva themselves. They then do not go to the rally point as they are not allowed to push other units like they are in sc2. It seems to not happen if your constantly spawning units due to the respawn on larva. It seems to happen consistently though if your using the queens ability.
Yes, two other people have had the same thing happen to them, and I'm looking into the cause, as it seems strange to me
If it helps, in the split second before the cutscene starts, it comes up with a "Objective complete" alert for me, so might be map triggers?
