The State of Things

[Captain Griffen]

There is no need to shut me down like I did something wrong. The fact is, Captain Griffen, that you didn't meet a new pro because most of them keep to themselves or are not recognized for their knowledge of w3 or any other subject for that matter. Just because you are not aware of them, doesn't mean they do not exist. I'm not saying they are the best of the best, but they are good.

If they aren't the best of the best, they aren't a great pro. You said great pro - and that means a lot. I'm barely even a scratch on the truly great pros, and I've learned a lot in my time.

 

[CMarket]

Alright, but it's just word play. I meant a pro, not a grandmaster pro.

 

[PurplePoot]

I am a wannabe pro, does that count? And i like the changes and must say, i have spotted a bit increased moderation on the forums. One objection dough, the amount of pending resources is still concerning, i know it's not an easy job but maybe that should be your next target.

We're looking into the issue, but we can't snap our fingers and have it fixed instantly.

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This "pros" thing is getting more than a little off-topic.

 

[Volvox]

Understood and accepted.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

What the site needs first and foremost is not some new miraculous user to step up and be God in human form for every user on the site. Such goals are ludicrous and trying to promote X or demote Y is silly as well.

What the site needs is some good ole' fashioned organization.
Look at this and ask yourself if the way that's set up makes any sense to you. I saw suddenly that Poot was a director and then that someone else was something else and that some other person was demoted, so I decided to check out the staff listing to see where it stood... And I saw that page. Do you know what that page tells me as a user, a human being trying to figure out a site, and as a person trying to improve a site? It tells me the site needs to rethink everything.

Who are these directors? What the hell is a director even? What are the requirements (Yes, there are requirements) for being a director? I mean, let's consider qualifications for a second here. The battle is only half won if you trust a user, you also have to know the person will add to the site in their own unique way, improving it for users in some way that no other user can. That to me is the most defining prerequisite for being a director/admin/whatever-the-hell-the-hive-calls-them-now. Do the current admins/directors do that? Sometimes yes, most of the times no. I don't have to post ten thousand times on a site to tell who does what and who imparts the best qualities to a site, no one does. Just look around, is anything changing since anyone was promoted? Has Ghan going from zero to hero changed anything? No. Has anything changed as a matter of fact since anyone's been promoted or demoted lately? No. It's still just as chaotic, uncontrolled, and ludicrous as it was months ago.

If you're too scared to follow through with some drastic changes, you're just not going to get anything done at this juncture. This topic serves no purpose other than allowing people a place to moan about the state of the site; unless someone just stands up, says "Fuck you, sirs and ma'ams," and changes shit for the better... It just won't ever happen. What, pray tell, is "better" then, you might ask?

Imagine a world where when someone says the "Hive" to another random person in the WC3 community, that person responds with "I've heard of that place; I hear it's a respectable site filled with strong-charactered individuals." Could you imagine that? Would that not be an improvement than what I hear people say now?

You want it to happen? Then do it. The last time I proposed something radical, I was pelted with shit like --

the staff needs to be purged and redone entirely.

What, so you can be admin? Oh please. You've done enough damage already.

If that sort of misconduct and treatment to people who want to make a difference continues, nothing will ever change for the better and the hive will rot like it is now. Do any of you truly want that? Do you? Let me recap this by saying that in this post I'm not proposing anything other than a radical change with some radical leaps of faith. I'm not asking you to change anything about the hive right now than the attitudes of those who would be in a position to help mend its wounds.

I think even Hakeem will agree with me when I say the site needs to get better. I also know he would agree that stuff like the above quote is not the way to make it better. Why do I respect Hakeem's opinion? Browse this topic and figure it out for yourself. He's one of those people you need to be helping out big time for a better site. Ash is one of those too, regardless if he's been on edge with the staff. Brad as well. The list goes on, filled with people of strong opinion and strong will. People that care for nothing more than making the site better. They would do it with or without a staff title if they were given the ability to do so. That's what makes them great users for a community, unparalleled in their devotion to the cause.

Do you think these individuals post about the state of the hive because they hate it? Of course not, God no. They post in these topics their opinions and justifications because they want it to be a better place. Now let's make it so.

How about it, ladies and gents?

 

[Gilles]

So you purpose to... I don't quite understand. I get that you think radical change is needed, but how so? Remove the staff completely and start fresh? Get rid of a lot of the staff? I think people are overestimating the Hives problems, but I'm willing to hear some of your ideas.

As well, the reason the Forum Leaders page is so confusing is because we have been making change. We've changed the general ranking system a bit, and gotten rid of inactive staff. Ralle hasn't updated that page yet apparently.

 

[Ash]

If we only were overestimating problems, then things wouldn't be too bad. However, we all know that isn't the case.

More so to what dusk was saying, though. Summing up his speech, he thinks that the Hive lacks Organization, an authoritative figure and the backbone to push through on what we decide to do. By the last point I mean that every few months we have a 'fit' -- at failure of better words -- in which we all rally up and decide to change something, last time it happened we got new map rules and a cleaner section, this time we've got directors.

However, are we going to stop doing what we're doing here? We need to get the news out and tell the users what's actually happened to the site, who the directors are and what they're going to be doing. We need to follow through on user opinion. We need to stop pulling people up for stating opinions.

We need to keep doing something.

I, for one, actually think that the Hive stands a chance of making a difference this time, and I'm not just ass kissing because one of those amazing new outstanding and beautiful directors has unbanned me.

 

[Hakeem]

What the site needs first and foremost is not some new miraculous user to step up and be God in human form for every user on the site.

It sure would help though.

Look at this and ask yourself if the way that's set up makes any sense to you.

It could be a little more organized, but it is still very useful.
I think it would be very useful to list the new staff title field instead of location.

I don't have to post ten thousand times on a site to tell who does what and who imparts the best qualities to a site, no one does.

No, but it does require reading.

Has anything changed as a matter of fact since anyone's been promoted or demoted lately? No.

Not OMGWTFBBQ change, but there has been some change. Give it some time.

I think even Hakeem will agree with me when I say the site needs to get better. I also know he would agree that stuff like the above quote is not the way to make it better. Why do I respect Hakeem's opinion? Browse this topic and figure it out for yourself. He's one of those people you need to be helping out big time for a better site.

Well I am Tool Moderator now. But if you mean really big time, like, giving me root access so I can address any problem, then I decline. On the staff side you don't give someone root access right away, you give them a little power and see what they do with it.

More importantly, on my side, you give me root access right away, and I'm OVERWHELMED.

Ash is one of those too, regardless if he's been on edge with the staff.

It's one thing for him to be on shaky ground with the staff, but quite another for the staff to be on shaky ground with him.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

So you purpose to... I don't quite understand. I get that you think radical change is needed, but how so? Remove the staff completely and start fresh? Get rid of a lot of the staff? I think people are overestimating the Hives problems, but I'm willing to hear some of your ideas.

First, the attitudes need to change of the people and the staff. This is not an insurrection, this is not a mutiny, this is not an attack. This is an attempt to genuinely improve the site from where it stands to what it can potentially become. Before the site can change, first the people must change, otherwise any change will be met with absolute opposition.

Next, the staff needs to get absolutely obliterated and reconstructed. Every moderator, every administrator (Except Ralle naturally), and every mini-mod. Then, Ralle, in association with whomever he trusts to help decide such things will reinstate specific users to their position based both on the quality of work they can output, the quality of site interaction they can provide, and the quality of attitude they have. With this redo, the silly staff page will need to be updated to make more sense.

And that's a wonderful start right there; if we can even get that far that'd be simply wonderful.

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Dangit, Hakeem, you posted a minute before I did, now I need to go through and comment on that!

Well I am Tool Moderator now. But if you mean really big time, like, giving me root access so I can address any problem, then I decline. On the staff side you don't give someone root access right away, you give them a little power and see what they do with it.

More importantly, on my side, you give me root access right away, and I'm OVERWHELMED.

You misunderstand what having someone on your staff means. Root access is something admins at most sites never get even after years of working and interacting with the site and its community. I doubt you'd have to worry about that in the least.

Also, I don't think just handing out administrator positions is wise nor moderator positions for that matter. I think you could do to help the site a lot with your attitude and personality, just look at how you responded to that post! Does that mean we need to shove an admin spot down your throat? God no, that would be ludicrous. Although all things considered, I am sure you would fit better in a spot similar to Brad's where he is "Moderator" and just covers a ton of sections. Would that be overwhelming? I don't know, you'll have to answer that -- Though from what I know of you, which is to say not very much past your demeanor and some chat interaction (I did a lot of that reading you mentioned people need to do. ), I am sure you're more than qualified for it.

It's one thing for him to be on shaky ground with the staff, but quite another for the staff to be on shaky ground with him.

Well we all can't read the moderator forums, so I can't say for sure what 'shakiness' there is and to what extent, but I can't possibly imagine it being irreparable. I'm also sure that Ash wouldn't be averse to making amends if it meant the site improving.

 

[Deathcom3s]

I completely agree with the statement Rising Dusk made.

I have been an admin on 2 forums and a mod on at least 5, and I have never seen a forum whose staff is in as much disarray and chaos as The Hive Workshop(except in one situation where the admin began banning mods for no reason).

Change is desperately needed. The staff should be rebuilt. It does not need to happen all at once, to make it easier on the members, but rather in sections. You also could also use some more resource moderators.

~Deathcom3s

 

[PurplePoot]

Just a few notes:

A lot of people are commenting "You need more resource moderators".

Well, yes we do, but we can't just summon them or anything, and there quite honestly aren't a ton of candidates. We're working on it, but there's only so much we can do.

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As for the reorganization of the staff, that is being worked on currently, though rebuilding from the ground up would only cause more chaos than is already going on, as far as I see it anyways.

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Finally, about organization, fair enough, but if you could give the system a week or so to settle down, it would be appreciated. After all, we've only just moved, how can we instantly rectify everything which is an issue? Ralle's been spending a lot of time on the site recently, and there's only so much he can do. I hope you'll understand that reorganizing the staff display page is not exactly our top priority.

 

[Deathcom3s]

True, completely reorganizing the staff could cause the Hive to become fragile. However, that threat can be minimized if the situation is handled with care, and the changes are not made all at once, which would cause quite a stir.

I can give it a week, as I'm leaving on vacation early tomorrow morning. I just hope things will have changed by the time I return, for the better.

~Deathcom3s

 

[Gilles]

First, the attitudes need to change of the people and the staff. This is not an insurrection, this is not a mutiny, this is not an attack. This is an attempt to genuinely improve the site from where it stands to what it can potentially become. Before the site can change, first the people must change, otherwise any change will be met with absolute opposition.

Next, the staff needs to get absolutely obliterated and reconstructed. Every moderator, every administrator (Except Ralle naturally), and every mini-mod. Then, Ralle, in association with whomever he trusts to help decide such things will reinstate specific users to their position based both on the quality of work they can output, the quality of site interaction they can provide, and the quality of attitude they have. With this redo, the silly staff page will need to be updated to make more sense.

And that's a wonderful start right there; if we can even get that far that'd be simply wonderful.

Not exactly sure what you mean by completely obliterated and reconstructed, but that's pretty much what we are doing. Ralle didn't clear all the positions, but he cleaned house so to speak, and then carefully went through and promoted users that he and the staff thought he could trust, and as you said, could add to the community.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I don't understand how or why everyone would think that the answer to saving this site is to clear out every single position and expect Ralle to start from scratch and create a moderation team not only just as effective as our current one, but surpassing it. As if it's just that easy to make an even better selection process just by demoting everyone, and that this is such a great solution, it's worth the total inconvenience involved and there's absolutely no other alternative.

And Rising_dusk uses too much parallelism. :/

 

[Pyritie]

What the site needs is some good ole' fashioned organization.
Look at this and ask yourself if the way that's set up makes any sense to you.

That page is out of date. That's all.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Oh my God!

Does this happen oftenly?

 

[BoneBreaker]

Main problem - poor moderation.

Main cause - poor moral, poor communication, and some awful moderators.

Moderators need to be level headed, competant at English to a sufficient degree to communicate, at least reasonably knowledgeable in their field, and able to deal with stuff sensible.

I think you meant "stuff sensibly"? If yes, well... you're right. Some of them don't even let you know you've done something bad, and ban you immediately.

A good moderator can spot and avoid a flame war developing from a few days out normally (unless you have two people active and online at the same time, in which case things can turn very bad, very fast).

In order to do that, they need three main features:
- Respect.
- Level-headed-ness.
- Consistency.

Quite a few mods lack one or both. Let's be honest, most people don't respect Werewulf or MH, and neither can stay level-headed. They are both also totally inconsistent. This also applies to quite a few other mods - particularly on the inconsistency.

I agree with this 100%. Those two moderators (and some others) use outside emotions when moderating. Good moderators shouldn't let outside forces affect the way they control situations.

Better moderators just comes down to picking respectable and competant individuals. That means get rid of people like DSG, MH, etc.. In terms of admin leadership, you need some admins out there, leading by example, TALKING to staff. Mods and admins need to be able to communicate as equals.

DSG should still remain as a spell moderator, but he should show that he can moderate without "force" (spell moderators seem to only moderate when people ask them via private message).

If you don't trust someone, don't make them a mod. Mods here seem to constantly look over their shoulders at the admins in the sky for approval. You can have some admins dealing with the technical side in the background, but some admins need to be out there, in the forums and the chat.

Agree, Samuraid is one that does the technical stuff with efficiency. Ghan WAS active, but he is losing his momemtum (possibly because he has nothing to work towards now). To be honest, PurplePoot is the most active, and deserves a lot of credit.

And mods need to be trusted. I cannot overstate the importance of this. The moderation at WC3C works because every mod is trusted to deal with stuff in a sensible way, and can talk to the admins when they need support or advice.

Right now, I would only trust two or three moderators (including admins).

THW lacks that strong moderation team, which may perhaps add to the admin team's lack of trust in them (I wouldn't trust a large part of the THW mod team), but you need to actually let the mods get on with their jobs without micromanaging. I'm not sure if you do micromanage, but the impression from the staff is that they have very little power.

Agree slightly, although there are a few mods that are great.

Finally, the staff need to have respect from the user base. You don't. This is in a large part due to bad moderators and large amounts of inconsistency. This provides a major problem, as a large proportion of the quality people on THW now wouldn't touch staff positions with a barge pole.

I also have to agree with this. There are many moderators that have no respect whatsoever.

My suggestion? Purge the moderators, and demote map reviewers from staff positions (really, you CANNOT have enough trusted people to review all those maps).

Agree, though I doubt this will happen.

Get in an active admin who's got respect and is sensible. I'd strongly suggest Ash.

Ash does not deserve any position. Every time I see him, he is spamming inappropiate stuff in the chat.

PS: You sure do have a lot of spare time, Captain Griffen.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

I think everything that needs to be said has been said.

Seems to me like people are just repeating themselves now

 

[Rui]

Although a remaking of the staff would be good, the Resource Moderators would have to stay. Pilling up resources would only force us to do another cleanup, especially Maps, which take a lot of time to moderate.

 

[Squiggy]

Well, yes we do, but we can't just summon them or anything, and there quite honestly aren't a ton of candidates. We're working on it, but there's only so much we can do.

How about this: Don't reject every application of members.
I know that some things are strict in the upper regions (like the "don't ask, we ask you") but i think you all are aware of the lack of map moderators since ash and masterhaosis are no longer in their positions.
Surely, you could hold on your principes and go further along with the sentence, but in that case it would be rather luck finding a competent (or more than one) map moderator(s).
I'm pointing out for a 'trial mod' position (or something like this) which could be given to users who can prove, that they know, what they're doing (like giving detailed reviews i.e.).
After a certain time, the staff would decide whether to keep the 'trial-staff' or not depending on the work he has done.
Just as another suggestion..

 

[Captain Griffen]

As for rebuilding the staff...that's sort of in the plan, and happening, just not in one giant reshuffle, since that would be silly. The admin level positions have been reshuffled; Ralle, Samuraid, Poot, Ghan and GF, with the first two in charge of technical stuff, and the last three in charge of their own sections.

Now that they are in place, they can begin the work of weeding out bad moderators / reviewers, and bringing in new ones where needed. It's a sort of sweep, just from the top level down, which I'd say is the sensible way about it.

Mods need to feel able to criticise the admins as equals. That's a key part of a moderator's job, telling the admins when they are wrong. And a key part of being an admin is listening to mods, and taking what they say seriously. I'm not all too sure that's been happening of late, but I think that matters will start to improve with the new directors.

PS: You sure do have a lot of spare time, Captain Griffen.

I'm on holiday, the weather is crap, and my gaming PC is dead.

 

[NearbyHermit]

The first two ,are still the veterans!

Wouldnt be better for all moderators to follow a set schedule,and act all of them at the same time!

This will lead that low skilled moderators could be influenced,while working at the same time with the experimented ones.

 

[Ash]

The first two ,are still the veterans!

Wouldnt be better for all moderators to follow a set schedule,and act all of them at the same time!

This will lead that low skilled moderators could be influenced,while working at the same time with the experimented ones.

I proposed a resource template and markscheme that was promptly ignored in the mod lobby.

 

[Taur]

I just find it hard to believe that the ads do not cover the cost of the site, considering how many visitors the site has and knowing the revenue that ads at such sites can generate.

 

[NearbyHermit]

I proposed a resource template and markscheme that was promptly ignored in the mod lobby.

A pitty,talk about liberty of speech!

 

[Shados]

I just find it hard to believe that the ads do not cover the cost of the site, considering how many visitors the site has and knowing the revenue that ads at such sites can generate.

The old server costed over $100 USD a month, the new server costed ~$845 USD to buy, and I believe Ralle pays ~$60 USD a month on internet and power usage for it. He also has to pay yearly for the vB license, which costs ~$150 USD. Last time I saw the ad revenues, they only gave $20-40 USD a month. Ralle has lost quite a bit of money paying the site upkeep, even with the donations.

-*meow*

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

So he's sacrificing money for this? It seems pricy, how does he cope?

 

[Kimbo]

I have read most of this thread, not all of it exactly but iv tried to understand what Iv read but let me just say these things in both defense of myself and the defense of hives ever changing foundation:

There are staff changes already going on, and honestly no other group of new moderators will FIX anything, I believe what we already have is the best for the time being and the close future we can possibly have. The foundation we currently have here at hive is actually stable enough compared to some other poor sites iv been to, however there are many flaws iv screamed against constantly, but instead when i point them to staff i get called a hypocrite due to my past childish behavior from what I have already learned from, and calling on a personal attack against me when im trying to encourage positive staff behavior (telling off other staff for flaming people infront of behind peoples backs) and not bad behavior is disgusting and not mature at all.

Nearly everyone has had a bad past or done things they regret and the large majority learn from them. Constantly being compared to them doesn't make anyones argument more valid when you are comparing their distant past to their changed present.

All I ask is people stop comparing me to my past self, I have tried hard to be a better person and be more stable and respected, a handful don't see the change but I assure you I have tried hard, its up to you to accept that I have or not. If you have a problem over me still over my past behavior and have this lack of "Respect" Captain Griffen talks of, thats YOUR problem its not mine especially as I have changed my morals, beliefs and how I behave to be a more productive member in society and in hive. If people don't respect me over my past thats their own fault, I am not to be blamed if they cant accept the change Iv gone through.
I understand I cant please everybody, but to replace me just because I have scars, wounds which have healed...does that really make me a bad moderator? Does that in anyway compare the present to what will be in the future?

*Most* people have things against me for:

• Me banning them/him/her when they clearly broke the rules.
• Me rejecting their resources in JUST with the rules.
• Them not likely my morals/views beliefs or friends.
• Them still holding a grudge over my past behavior.
• Them poorly and badly judging my use of power or thinking i have this so called "favoritism" when they aren't even present to my presence all the time.
• Lies of deluded opinions from other users who have had the above problems with me.

Im all welcome to constructive criticism, but basing your criticism on my past flaws on what iv learn from and what dot pointed above makes your criticism unneeded and invalid. So in other words, if you just want to hold a personal attack against me, guess what? That makes your argument invalid.

The people who have a problem with me have obviously talked
What we need is more structure, more specialization and far more productiveness. I say we make moderator position holding far more strict. Iv seen alot of poor moderators some being HT and such over their childish behavior and lack of regard for the rules. Very rarely do they get demoted or punished, the ONLY case Iv seen this was in Ashes case. However, there is a tangled mess here and there....
Others are crossing lines (Alot of them staff) they shouldn't and are taking personal issues outside of hive into hive and then dramatizing them...

I am sick of all these constant ad hominem arguments being thrown to one another in both staff and by users. We need less useless personal attacks and we need more focus on our present actions to create a better future. Get over these "THIS PERSON IS MEAN, HE IS AN ASS, HE IS THIS AND THAT" Instead think of what you can do to change or work with that problem, create a better solution instead of petty flame/personal attack attempts or finding this thread an opportunity to finally raise your voice at another users for selfish reasons. Instead, DO IT MATURELY, point out criticism, offer solutions and sort out the best working ones instead of saying "X PERSON IS A TROLL" "X PERSON IS LAZY AND IS AND ASSHOLE TO ME". "X PERSON IS NOT RELIABLE".



Take a breather, have a drink.....now lets think of what will happen in the future? Then lets compare the past to the present, if flaws from the past seem to be exist in the present then lets think of how we can fix them to make a better future?


1. Staff needs to have a far more stricter or better management.

• Demotion after un-noted/un-reasoned X days of inactivity.
• Staff users should have a their own strike page, they abuse power (must be discussed, not just plopped on without real examination) or break a rule they must get a strike out of a set amount of this or that. Once they exceed they get demoted. IF good behavior occurs and staff user seems to learn from their lesson then strikes will get their values taken off but not totally ignored. These can only be given by the Directors.
• No moderators from other sections should EVER get involved with sections besides their own. That includes warning posts (only reference to the rules but no "STOP THIS OR ILL/YOU'LL" posts) and neg rep.
• Staff users should receive the right and acceptable praise after solving hard cases properly and maturely. We want to encourage but not food reward this behavior.
• Admins/Directors, although easy to understand with their busy lives SHOULD get more involved with both users and staff.
• Resource moderators shouldn't have neg rep powers along all across the forums, ONLY in their sections or it will become abused (wrongly put neg rep or provoking neg rep or idiotic mass neg rep dumps.)
• Moderators should be watched constantly, and res mods res logs checked regularly (weekly) for an acceptable level of moderation.

Now, that Iv said that, we need to revise some of the rules (some in the res section which I have, but they haven't been updated). Rules that everyone MUST follower. I understand not everyone can follow them, even the staff as its human nature to make mistakes. But as long as its a mistake you learn from which had no real damage or impact then its acceptable.

Anyway, as I said, we don't need new people, but we don't need to hide our cuts and wounds, instead we need to fix them and make them heal and still keep hold of the person who has them. Every person at hive has potential, some more than others. Once those cuts and wounds have been treated we need to find solutions that will STOP them from happening.

The problem with alot of your views people is that you think it is possible to have a perfect community or something similar, but the downfall to that is the fact that we are all humans, and while we are humans nothing we can try to achieve will be perfect. They will always be flaws, their will always be cuts and scars, that you can live with. As long as we can walk and talk and manage things in an acceptable manner then why complain? I think more people should appreciate the staff as they are the real ones in this mess, the users are only getting the back lash, but that by no means forget who caused the issues and why and how it happened.

I don't know if my post will do any impact, and most of it is rather defensive or ill put. But I don't mean to cause this place to change into something other than a community...but it would be great if it was changed to a big family, but as I said, nothing is perfect, siblings will fight, the parents will eventually yell at eachother. But just as long as their is still love and a strong foundation that keeps them all together..thats what we should all strive for.

 

[Sansui]

The site IMO will never improve it can not and will not if the entire staff is not redesigned. It will continue to be a faltering mass of fail as long as the higher staffs attitudes influence the lower end to be assholes.
From what I have seen
The moderators and admins play on two different fields completely.
not to mention nothing seems to flow, one staff member bans for certain jokes another makes those jokes.
Some mods warn some just ban without reading context or even caring to understand the situation.

The site is DOOOMED DOOOOOOOOOMED!

oh and

• Me banning them/him/her when they clearly broke the rules.
• Me rejecting their resources in JUST with the rules.
• Them not likely my morals/views beliefs or friends.
• Them still holding a grudge over my past behavior.
• Them poorly and badly judging my use of power or thinking i have this so called "favoritism" when they aren't even present to my presence all the time.
• Lies of deluded opinions from other users who have had the above problems with me.

yea... everything you do is perfect. You are never in the wrong ever... riiiiiiighhhht...
You get pissy with people when you don't like their views or friends.
you get pissy with people because you hold grudges about their past behavior
you DO have favoritism.
you get pissy with people because of what other people say.
you get pissy with people because you just don't like them for random ass reasons.
you use your power extremely inconsistently.

Oh and acting like you have become super mature or whatever you are trying to do is really gay.

 

[Ash]

Sansui = QFT.

The end part, anyway. I think this site could still stand a chance.

 

[NearbyHermit]

What about the ranking as World's Number 1 Modding Comunity?


We still stand in 1st place for something,and that issue is concerning a work done by our moderators:Wulf,Rui,Poot.etc!


And even us peons contributed with something,so maybe we are one against each other,but without our team work and past,we would never be here.So,hands down!

 

[Rising_Dusk]

The hive is the #1 modding site because it's the only modding site that asks its users to vote for itself on some silly top 100 site whose rankings mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you're referring strictly to traffic as the criteria for 'best', you'll find that quantity never guarantees quality.

I don't think it's fair to be calling certain people out, especially not here in this topic. It's important that the hive does not alienate any of its users, even those whose opinions, actions, and demeanor you do not agree with.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Metal seems to fix everything, including moderators. Therefore I'll quote an album.

KILL EM ALL!! =D

On a serious note, I don't go everywhere on the hive so I probably don't see as much abuse as most of you, but what I have seen is, Moderators are hypocrites when it comes to joking. Also, Brad.Dude saying to keep this discussion calm is like Osama Bin Laden saying there should be peace. Speaking of peace...

Peace Sells... But who's buying?

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

[00-32-09] Earth-Fury: People need to STFU. And get back to modding.

I tend to not agree with EF, but he pretty much nailed it here.

 

[NearbyHermit]

[00-32-09] Earth-Fury: People need to STFU. And get back to modding.

Ownage!

But still,where are the visible results?

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Is this topic still active?

Holy shit, stfu already. EF has a point.

 

[Dr00d]

A fine example of the moderationship of MasterHaosis.

Maybe there was something in whispers that I didn't see, but even then I doubt he deserved a 3k ban.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Master wasn't even in the chat lobby,and even if he was on second chat room,things like these slip,it's no big deal!

Don't incriminate MH that much,think of the chat room without him!

 

[Pyritie]

Master wasn't even in the chat lobby

It's called stealth.

think of the chat room without him!

It would be wonderful.

 

[NearbyHermit]

It would be wonderful.

I admire your humor Py,but all that MH does is to : Name,

Nothing wrong with that!

 

[Rui]

I hope people start speaking out without a push from moderators. Nobody complained about MasterHaosis until a moderator (in this thread I believe) spoke out.

 

[Zombie]

MasterHaosis is the least of the moderators who you should be worrying about. Dr00d, the pic you showed occours to most of the moderators, and I think MasterHaosis is not really a man who abuses/mistreats his powers. Even if it was a joke, nastyboy flamed up Ghan. I can't go around flaming respected moderators and then saying "sorry, it was a joke"

 

[Steel_Stallion]

For fucks sake. You people act like NONE of the other moderators EVER do this.

 

[Ash]

Steel, we know that's not true and that's the problem.

And if we don't do something about it, then it will always be hampering the hive.

 

[Dr00d]

After I posted that Haosis went on for, oh about an hour about how Ghan or Ralle would have banned him for longer. Nasty boy said a joke and apologized right after, which did NOT constitute a 3k ban, maybe a 200, 400 tops. And to top it off, Haosis did the right thing, then I congradualted him for seeing he was wrong, but then fed us some bullshit about how he unbanned him because if he didn't Ghan may check the ban list, look in the logs to see why, and see that he deserved to be perma-banned. Dude.

I think this is a PERFECT example of how moderationship is miss-trusted here, supporting the argument in this thread.

 

[brad.dude03]

Master Haosis has been demoted from chat and maps as far as I know, so that's no longer a point of discussion here.

 

[Ash]

From maps, yes. He's still a fully fledged chat mod, though.

 

[brad.dude03]

I was under the impression that Ghan had removed his chat powers. My mistake.

 

[Firelord213]

Why did he get his chat powers back after his first chat demotion?

 

[Infinitynexus]

I has idea!

No mods of any rank except admins have chat powers besides stealth.

There will be temporary chat mods who get their term extended if the general opinion is that they do their job good enough.