The State of Things

[brad.dude03]

A small issue? You accused the Jury of causing trouble. With the number of accusations we get of this, it's definitely not a small thing, it's a big deal. No one accuses the Jury.

 

[The Last Istari]

Because this site does belong to us. Every day Ralle buys us each new golden scepters of power and awesome.

But on topic.

Truth is, I believe this site is starting to fall apart, and if it isn't stopped soon. The Hive will become another WC3sear.ch, Ralle will probably pull a Darky and history will repeat itself. Except this time I doubt there'll be another site to take what's left upon themselves.

It may sound silly, but everything that's going on will have a domino effect. That's my thoughts anyway.

 

[NearbyHermit]

WC3creations and THP,where hunting our community since then!

Hopefully,what you said above won't happen soon!

Ralle is creating new Forum Sections,that will raise the popularity even more.

 

[Gilles]

Because this site does belong to us. Every day Ralle buys us each new golden scepters of power and awesome.

But on topic.

Truth is, I believe this site is starting to fall apart, and if it isn't stopped soon. The Hive will become another WC3sear.ch, Ralle will probably pull a Darky and history will repeat itself. Except this time I doubt there'll be another site to take what's left upon themselves.

It may sound silly, but everything that's going on will have a domino effect. That's my thoughts anyway.

I really disagree. wc3sear.ch sucked as a site. It was way over it's bandwidth, and I personally avoided it because of that. As well I don't see Ralle leaving anytime soon.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well yes,but it contained precious resources,back then,they were important!

 

[NearbyHermit]

Members of the jury may have a large ego, but it is well deserved. You'll see, when you scroll through their members' list that they are mostly people who have contributed greatly to the site.

They do not attempt to surpass the law, they attempt to facilitate it.

And for the millionth time, they don't want the site. If you can't see the logic, think: why would an elitist group wish to own a site with 5000 members a great deal of which are extremely immature?

Hive has 30.000 members,from which 5000 active!

We would definitely need some more activity and more friendship!

 

[frostwhisper]

hive Has 30.000 Members,from Which 5000 Active! [aye, That's Why I Said 5000 Members, The Other 25000 Mean Null]

We Would Definitely Need Some More activity And More Friendship! <- That R True

. .

 

[NearbyHermit]

Ok,I will explain what this friendship means.

We aren't physically friends,but more of a pen-friendship.The friendship comes in a form of user > staff member

Now,the staff members should endure stupidity and act calmly,even more encourage the members to work on and improve their projects!

Well,this requires a that both user and staff member to work in harmony

So I am asking,how many of you users,used this function,that appears so many times on chat!

The Hive Workshop cares about it's members and how they feel

 

[frostwhisper]

True.

 

[Hakeem]

Consistency.

If you don't have consistency in punishment, then things fall out of the 3 steps I mentioned.

Choosing admins should be based on who's best for the job.

I wouldn't say you choose someone as an admin. I would say that it depends on what powers you can trust a user with. A user is classified into one of the categories rather than the categories powers be put onto a user who may not be trustworthy with all of them.

On that note I'd like to elaborate on my example of a user trusted to moderate resources and not trusted with banning power. There are also people who would be trusted with the power to ban, but not trusted to moderate resources.

The best people to moderate are not the best people to resource mod.

...Then I guess I must quote this for truth...

if you don't have the time and/or don't want to put the effort into it, should you not relinquish that position to someone who does?

In my opinion, you should not. It's about trust. If you can be trusted to moderate something, then you might as well have the power to moderate it. Just because you aren't doing it at a point in time does not mean you can no longer be trusted with the ability to do it.

However, if you are in a position which puts you as the person to come to for help on some issue, then you may consider giving it up to someone more willing or available, like the new directors for example.

As for the old Earth Fury thing, I don't really follow it, but why is no one providing chat logs if they so dearly hate what he's doing?

Trouble is, kicks and bans often destroy any chance of logs.

It seems like everyone is getting way too defensive here, and that rather than worrying about keeping your rights to be a mod

Yeah. Like I said, being a simple user isn't so bad.

It's often hard to tell whether someone should indeed be promoted.

It's pretty much just a matter of waiting for people you can trust to enforce the rules.

Rearrange the staff.
Demote all of them, then choose new ones properly.

That's not really necessary, because many of them would just be promoted again. All it takes is the removal of powers that a user cannot be trusted with.

I know it's not an easy task but he needs to be replaced ASAP.

If he can be trusted with the powers he has, then there is no need to replace him. If he is inactive though, then we may need more people to moderate.

I purpose that we appoint an Administrator to solely take care of staff positions.

In my third step, I only talk about Ralle giving power to people he can trust to enforce his rules. As hard as it is to find someone you can trust with all your powers, it is even harder to find someone who you can trust to recognize trustworthy people to give powers to. Of the range of powers a user can be trusted with, I'd say promotion is the highest.

I say stop letting the staff decide who they want to be staff. Like what the hell? Make public elections and let us, the majority of the site decide.

As per my previous comment, I disagree with this. While elections are commonplace to decide leaders for a group, the internet has many differences that make this the least desirable option.

First off, when voting for the president of a country, the country is already there and people are selecting a leader for it. On the internet, there are leaders first, with people being the secondary part.

Second, you cannot reasonably choose your country. You can, however, choose your forum. If you don't like the leader's rules (Ralle being the leader in this context), then you can GTFO and find another leader to follow.

You cannot have a peasant stand and answer to a king the same way he would answer to his neighboor.

Well, they can prove difficult to find.

All of the moderators do their jobs, and do them well, or well enough, but when it comes to someone they're friends with they tend to overlook any wrong-doing, or just doll out warning after warning, OR just ignore those threads completely. Yet, when it comes to normal users wrong doings they, rightly, punish them.

Well as long as they can be trusted to enforce Ralle's rules, this isn't necessarily a problem. However, it is a problem if nobody is willing to punish a moderator who misbehaves.

Personally, I'd have doubts about how much I can trust someone with power if they can't pull themselves to use it on their friends.

I use rep now as a way of commenting on a post, rather than actually posting, a lot of times.

Same here. I thought that I'd be using the visitor messages to do this since rep is so pointless, but it sure is an easy way to attach a message to a post. Also is comes with these fun shiny spinny gems!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Spinny.

It certainly doesn't help that we have a thread aimed at making the hive better, that has users that actively contribute good ideas in, that is repeatedly shot down by the staff members.

On that note, I'd also like to add that the staff members aren't in charge of the hive. We run it for ralle, who runs it for the people. The reason it isn't in the mod lobby is because it's FOR the people to contribute to.

Finally, if you guys cared even a small bit for the hive, then you'd drop your petty little arguments and petty little ideals that you know certainly wont come true.

This post says something.

Every fucking time there's a conflict of interest, someone just has to call it flaming. In case you haven't noticed, no one's insulting one another. Passive aggresiveness? Perhaps. But there's no insults being thrown about at the people behind the comments. The whole Earth-Fury spiel is arguable, but even that is hardly flaming.

I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this thread wasn't as bad as people were claiming.

I've seen cars that don't have radios, and people who don't complain about it. What's your point? I personally like the rep system, not because it sizes up my ego, but because it's fun. I like it because it's nice to know that someone out there appreciates my smartass comments. Yes, we do often judge people by their rep, but then again, that's what it's for. It has a margin of error, but it's hardly ever miles away from it's intended goal unless you're TheDivineBoss.

Dislike is not currently reflected very well in rep.

People can't ignore other people.

Actually, I think you can. Go to the user CP. I don't really know as I've never used it.

People are going overboard on hating Naruto.

...Until people started to hate anti-Naruto. Hate fades, and problems it creates are short-term.

IMO, the only problem here is popularity. Don't even try to deny it, popularity breeds jealusy and that is basically a keg of dianmyte yet when it booms, everyone blames the spark.

I'd say such problems are short-term, as with anger.

We need something fresh, and this will help provide it.

Technically, we don't need anything. Looking at it from every perspective, The Hive Workshop is fine.
When I heard Ralle had said something about he shouldn't have made the chat, it didn't phase me. Most users don't even know the chat exists.
I knew he wouldn't get rid of it. I knew he wasn't going to shut down the Hive or anything like that. If all the moderators on the site, all at once, decided to resign, the Hive would live. A few users coming and going wont destroy the Hive. Even this discussion, as great of a help as it may seem, as awesome as a change it might bring, is nothing. In the grand scheme of things, most users will never know this ever happened.

Not to say we should not be doing this. The users pleased by this are numerous enough for this issue to be addressed.

The problem we want to solve here, is that some people are displeased enough to leave the Hive. As there as those among us who would miss these people, we are aiming to change things these users dislike.


Again, it seems that the problem is that step 3 has not been followed correctly. There are users with powers who are not using them correctly.

We should also try and head off future problems that may occur with a contingency plan or two.

As long as things stay within the 3 steps, then there should not be problems.

Ralle will probably pull a Darky

I don't think so.

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Elenai, the award system you suggest is effectively a fancy rep system where only moderators can give rep.
I would not say that rep is the root of our problems, and that many people would be displeased if it were the only action taken.

While it may be fun, it is not free from the same jealousy and elitism of rep, not to mention the programming required for such a thing.

El: the award system would be causing jelaousy too like: OMG I GOTZ MORE AWARDZ THAN u111

What she said...

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Okay, and I can't believe I'm even bothering to bring this up, stop mentioned the Jury of Awesomeness. It is not the problem, and it is not causing problems. During the course of this thread, the thought to leave the Jury because of what was being said about it never occurred to me. It is just another group of "awesome people". This one just happens to be according to Griffen. It is just another social group.


Mostly, I guess I'd like to say to everyone,

Lighten up.

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Okay, so again I'll say that the problem is arising when step 3 is not followed. Moreover, step 3 seems to continue to not be working correctly. Users are given powers they cannot properly handle.
It seems to me that the moderation is lacking in at least one area. This is where step 3 comes in. You need to find people who you can trust to enforce your rules. In my opinion, this should be top priority. (Aside from programming bugs that destroy the system.) In order to find people you can trust with power, as other people have said, the people in charge of promotion need to be more active. If you don't know the users, then you wont know who you can trust with powers.

 

[PurplePoot]

Trouble is, kicks and bans often destroy any chance of logs.

Fair enough, but you can always just give Ralle the date&time, and from there grabbing the site's logs is easy enough.

the people in charge of promotion need to be more active. If you don't know the users, then you wont know who you can trust with powers.

This is actually one of the main goals of the new system, to fix that.

 

[Pyritie]

Thus, if you have problems with a staff member, ideally private message their respective director with reason for your problems, and evidence supporting your claims.

Have you even been reading the thread? People have problems with EF and MH. Possibly DSG. As it stands, these users make the rest of the staff look bad. Hindy, Griffen, and Ash resigned because of the staff. Not because they were bored or didn't like it, but because they either had problems with these "other staff members" or how the site was managed. The latter has been changed (hopefully for the better) but the former still stands.

Elaborate.

Frostwhisper's post on the first page sums it up quite nicely. (Along with subsequent posts on other pages)

Speaking of the chat... Here's the situation I see. And yes, I WILL point the finger this time.

Overlooking the Rules when it comes to a staff member - You see staff? I see a rule breaker, cloaked under the protection of his title. I'm talking about Earth-Fury, who, as far as I recall isn't at all active around the forums, let alone someone who moderates... anything. So, here's another thing I see quite to often:

Morning, small membership in the lobby (around 5-7 people), in comes a new guy. Asks a noob question. We send him away, E-F flames bitterly then disappears again. Comes in a smart new guy (in our case the user Draerlen), we start chatting, I see that he is a pretty awesome character, though new. In comes E-F RANDOMLY trolling Draerlen. Goes away. We continue on, I apologize to Draerlen for E-F's behavior via whisper. Minutes later, in he comes again randomly trolling and flaming and provoking the new user for each word he says without any justified reason! MIND YOU, HE'S WRONG EVEN! I know it, since the topic was software which I and Draerlen both understand better than him.

The end? Werewulf bans Draerlen for telling EF that his trolling is "pathetic"

- I receive that as flaming, frostwhisper - she says.
- And is EF immune just because he's your friend? - ask.
- Shut up. - she says.

... there you have it. An honest, good new user banned due to Earth-Fury's constant trolling, flaming, provoking and meaningless asshole-ish behavior. I do not condone this. I do not think that a user such as this should represent the Hive Workshop staff. To be, he deserves a strip of powers, and a good punishment. Let it be a ban/neg rep/infraction, you decide. I just want to see retribution for the sake of those newbies who are actually worth it. Like Draerlen.

 

[PurplePoot]

Have you even been reading the thread? People have problems with EF and MH. Possibly DSG. As it stands, these users make the rest of the staff look bad. Hindy, Griffen, and Ash resigned because of the staff. Not because they were bored or didn't like it, but because they either had problems with these "other staff members" or how the site was managed. The latter has been changed (hopefully for the better) but the former still stands.

Of course I have been reading the thread, and of course I'll look over the issues raised (seeing as they are all apparently in my new section anyways).

That was as much for future reference as anything, as well as a "stop whining about EF in such a manner, since it's useless and counterproductive" comment.

EF's a great staff guy, and while his chat powers are in question (He seems to admit he does abuse them a bit too much), I don't see a problem with the rest of him. While his moderation is sporadic, he does quite a bit when he does, and does an exceptional job of it at that.

Frostwhisper's post on the first page sums it up quite nicely. (Along with subsequent posts on other pages)

I guess this is basically answered above.

 

[Pyritie]

I guess this is basically answered above.

In general it seems the amount of chat moderators is down to about six or so. This is not very many at all.

 

[PurplePoot]

One's usually always in the channel, AFK or otherwise.

Why not just ding one of them (Though admittedly firefox blocks ding by default)?

Or, next time, as I keep saying, if you have a problem with someone, Copy+Paste the logs so Ralle can compare them to the site logs without having to read days worth of chat (or at least record the exact time at which it happened).

I mean really, can it be that hard?

 

[Pyritie]

Why not just ding one of them (Though admittedly firefox blocks ding by default)?

If they're AFK, they won't get a little popup on their eye vision. So dinging doesn't often work.

Or, next time, as I keep saying, if you have a problem with someone, Copy+Paste the logs so Ralle can compare them to the site logs without having to read days worth of chat (or at least record the exact time at which it happened).

I mean really, can it be that hard?

Logging is one thing. Having a chat moderator around and not AFK when an argument erupts prevents the argument from turning into a flame war/etc. Logs can't do that.

 

[PurplePoot]

If they're AFK, they won't get a little popup on their eye vision. So dinging doesn't often work.

I wouldn't know, since as I said FireFox blocks my popups, but I was under the impression it beeps (and pushes the window?).

That seems to be how it's used, anyways.

Logging is one thing. Having a chat moderator around and not AFK when an argument erupts prevents the argument from turning into a flame war/etc. Logs can't do that.

Fair enough. I guess the biggest problem with this is that no one's on in general at those times of day, however, I'll forward this to Ralle.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Logging is one thing. Having a chat moderator around and not AFK when an argument erupts prevents the argument from turning into a flame war/etc. Logs can't do that.

Logs aren't perfect, but they get the job done. It's not like we can always have an active chat mod in the site, unless you're expecting assigned time schedules, or a drastic increase in active chat mods.

 

[PurplePoot]

The biggest problem is that these things often happen during the pits of the day, when there's pretty much no one on in general.

 

[Pyritie]

Arguments need people to keep going. Most of the arguments I've seen have at least 15-25 people, none of which are chat mods.

 

[Kimbo]

Okay, here are some thoughts... Speaking of the chat... Here's the situation I see. And yes, I WILL point the finger this time. Overlooking the Rules when it comes to a staff member - You see staff? I see a rule breaker, cloaked under the protection of his title. I'm talking about Earth-Fury, who, as far as I recall isn't at all active around the forums, let alone someone who moderates... anything. So, here's another thing I see quite to often: Morning, small membership in the lobby (around 5-7 people), in comes a new guy. Asks a noob question. We send him away, E-F flames bitterly then disappears again. Comes in a smart new guy (in our case the user Draerlen), we start chatting, I see that he is a pretty awesome character, though new. In comes E-F RANDOMLY trolling Draerlen. Goes away. We continue on, I apologize to Draerlen for E-F's behavior via whisper. Minutes later, in he comes again randomly trolling and flaming and provoking the new user for each word he says without any justified reason! MIND YOU, HE'S WRONG EVEN! I know it, since the topic was software which I and Draerlen both understand better than him. The end? Werewulf bans Draerlen for telling EF that his trolling is "pathetic" - I receive that as flaming, frostwhisper - she says. - And is EF immune just because he's your friend? - ask. - Shut up. - she says. ... there you have it. An honest, good new user banned due to Earth-Fury's constant trolling, flaming, provoking and meaningless asshole-ish behavior. I do not condone this. I do not think that a user such as this should represent the Hive Workshop staff. To be, he deserves a strip of powers, and a good punishment. Let it be a ban/neg rep/infraction, you decide. I just want to see retribution for the sake of those newbies who are actually worth it. Like Draerlen.

1. I banned Draerlen for him calling Earth-fury a pathetic prick. If you cant tell, THAT'S FLAMING. 2. I HAD A LONG TALK WITH YOU, I said i ban anyone if i find them breaking the rules, EF IS NOT IMMUNE as iv banned him numerous times for his disgusting behavior and i said that calmly and rationally. DO NOT PORTRAY ME AS A BLUNT BITCH. 3. I never said shutup, i said don't accuse me of being a bias bitch who has a case of favoritism, in other words don't accuse me of BS. 4. Being rude, i can tell ef off in my own private manner, i dont have to say it publicly, however he broke no rules besides the community friendliness rule and to my knowledge he was telling users OFF not trolling them, so yet again you are "DOIN IT WRUNG". 5. I like Draerlen, but in his case he was wrong, stop thinking I love EF so much I attack all he goes agaisnt and i kiss his ass. 5. Get your facts straight and don't start talking bullshit trying to evict people when you dont have proof, only a poor bias memory.

 

[frostwhisper]

You actually did tell me to shut up at one moment... Anyway, this morning:

[12-05-00] frostwhisper: MySpaceBarBroke, George.
[12-05-03] frostwhisper: George.
[12-05-07] frostwhisper: George of the Jungle.
[12-05-26] Earth-Fury: frostwhisper, why are you still here? Didn't you emo quit or something?
[12-05-50] frostwhisper: Earth-Fury, unfortunately for you, no. Only forum-wise.
[12-06-02] frostwhisper: I'm still gonna prawl in chat for ages to come.
[12-06-08] Earth-Fury: ... Then why are you still allowed to be here? lol
[12-06-30] Earth-Fury: If you're just gonna troll around the chat...
[12-06-43] frostwhisper: Earth-Fury, who's talking about trolling?
[12-07-10] Earth-Fury: frostwhisper, I may be a troll, but I'm hosting a contest and actually doing work? lol
[12-07-32] Earth-Fury: And, I'm not that much of a troll, dingus.
[12-07-37] frostwhisper: Well, you admit of being a troll...
[12-07-42] frostwhisper: I however, am not.
[12-07-47] frostwhisper: So there...
[12-07-49] frostwhisper: Besides.
[12-07-56] frostwhisper: I have many friends here, mr. Fury. Which are quite fond of seeing me here.
[12-07-59] Earth-Fury: ... Denial doesn't make you right?
[12-08-03] Earth-Fury: lol
[12-08-22] Traxamillion: i like seeing frostwhisper
[12-08-39] frostwhisper: Okay... you won't get me to flame you or anything to make me look bad, so don't waste your keyboard
[12-09-04] Traxamillion: frostwhisper, i like you way moar than EF
[12-09-09] Earth-Fury: frostwhisper, who's flaming here? I'm simply stating an opinion.
[12-09-21] Earth-Fury: Traxamillion, that's because your IQ is less than 20.
[12-09-44] Traxamillion: no its because i like people who arent assholes
[12-09-56] Earth-Fury: then why do you like frost? xD
[12-10-20] Traxamillion: frost>EF
[12-10-57] Earth-Fury: Traxamillion, someone who doesn't hyphenate "aren't" isn't the kind of person I want liking me lol
[12-11-41] Traxamillion: Earth-Fury, its called internet chat not punctuation school
[12-12-04] Earth-Fury: ... The idiocy of that comment is lost on you, isn't it?

The words speak by themselves.
I was offended. I believe Trax was too.

 

[Volvox]

Originally posted by Chat Room
[12-08-39] frostwhisper: Okay... you won't get me to flame you or anything to make me look bad, so don't waste your keyboard

This part i like best. I was actually looking forward to seeing some of you in chat but since it's become a warzone, i'll stay out of it for a while.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Ok now,but please,calmly do not turn this thread into a warzone concerning Chat Room.

Let's avoid a forum-war and keep sudgesting rather than incriminating!

I said what I had to say...

 

[Instant Ramen]

pathetic prick

That's rather tame compared to what comes out of EF's mouth.

 

[PurplePoot]

Ramen, wulf said that she's banned EF numerous times for that sort of behaviour.

frostwhisper:

I can see your point about EF on the chat. Either way, he's rather indispensible on the forums due to his knowledge, but he could indeed use a bit of talking to and more than a slap on the wrist if what you and Ramen, etc, claim about often things more trollish than that (that was walking right on the edge) come from him.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

If only people learned to get along and solve their conflicts with talk, rather than banning powers. People just dont listen i guess.

 

[PurplePoot]

Bans usually only happen after repeated kicking and warning, or disgustingly obvious and major rule violation (like pornography?) anyways.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yes, we have a system (or we used to), that I tend to follow. In the event of a disagreement, you give a warning. If the person goes on ignoring your warning, iyou kick them, and if they STILL continue on, it's a ban. If they come back from the ban and continue, it becomes permanent. If they start spamming up the forums, Ralle gets involved.

 

[frostwhisper]

I can see your point about EF on the chat. Either way, he's rather indispensible on the forums due to his knowledge, but he could indeed use a bit of talking to and more than a slap on the wrist if what you and Ramen, etc, claim about often things more trollish than that (that was walking right on the edge) come from him.

Any offenses will be reported. No direct flame will be engaged to avoid smudging the clearance of the situation.

I HOPE Fury understands us and works on his behavior alone because he has indeed proven valuable to a good extent in terms of the site.

 

[PurplePoot]

Indeed.

I'll talk to him on MSN about it.

 

[Deathcom3s]

Brad, the system you explained is more or less a universal system that has been used on almost every forum I have been staff on, and it works efficiently, although it requires a moderator to actually perform their duties.

EF is quite invaluable as a source of knowlege, but that does not mean that we can excuse his behavior, it has been a source of much distress, and should be dealt with properly, as soon possible. His behavior needs to be rectified.

~Deathcom3s

 

[MasterHaosis]

brad.dude03, man I just came back and read this. Listen finally to once, I dont know how your head cannot accept fact that here exist places where you can joke-where you can't; what about you can joke, what about you can't. And man you can lie them, but many of them you cant, that everything bad what ,,some of you'' say you use as excuse ,,it was joke'' or ,,it was opinion''. So now I can tell ,,Fuck this site, it sucks, it it shit'' (as I heard it many times) and use as excuse ,,It was joke, learn to take jokes'' or ,,It was opinion, I have right to opinion''. Nonono brad please why you cant stop trying to set me things, man you tried it many times in many threads in mod's lobby to set me up something, to attack me, like I ma problem. Well sorry but you are now problem because you tried once and you didnt success, now you are trying here public. Can you give me break I deserve it? I deserve to get retired of you, please go to next level go on another person just leave me alone to do my job. Man dont make me I to post screesnhots everything what I have against you, belive me i have alot, but I wont public. Dont make me to copy everything what I collect, Ralle knows I have alot of stuff to show. But I wont at least I am not like you to fight dirty, I am tired of you ,,MasterHaosis is problem and masterHaosis is problem''. Go in mods lobby and masterHaosis is problem, go here and again ,,Masterhaosis is problem''. Everywhere I am problem just I cant see that. Well one question if I am such problem why I wasnot punished and for what I should get punished?

 

[brad.dude03]

LISTEN TO ME.

I think you're a good map moderator. I think you work very hard at your job. I RESPECT you for that. HOWEVER, I think you need to improve the quality of your reviews, and I think you're not capable of handling the powers of chat moderation.

That is MY opinion, and I have every right to think whatever I want about you. You do not use your chat powers fairly, you're incredibly immature at times, and you cannot speak Englisdh to save your life. This is an ENGLISH site, you need to write clear reviews that our English-speaking users can understand! And you're not capable of that. You get extremely defensive, and you attack anyone who dares to try and tell you about how to improve. You react in all the wrong ways and at all the wrong times, you're as unpredictable was Werewulf, and in a job where stability is key, that will do you no good.

 

[Ghan_04]

So, to clarify.

- No one is perfect.

- Contrary to popular belief, no one is indispensable.

- We have made staff changes.

- The changes are not magical.

- THW has not suddenly become a Utopia.

- People will like the changes.

- People will dislike the changes.

- No, not everyone will be satisfied.

- If you have issues, feel free to contact the staff.

- No, you still may not break any rules.

Thank you.

 

[NearbyHermit]

So, to clarify.

- No one is perfect.

- Contrary to popular belief, no one is indispensable.

- We have made staff changes.

- The changes are not magical.

- THW has not suddenly become a Utopia.

- People will like the changes.

- People will dislike the changes.

- No, not everyone will be satisfied.

- If you have issues, feel free to contact the staff.

- No, you still may not break any rules.

Thank you.

- Hive isn't dead

- Warcraft is still our 1st priority

- After these changes,probably we will get along better!

 

[Deathcom3s]

The Hive is not dead, but it is slowly falling apart. The Admins seem to be an extinct race, Wolverabid was an invaluable resource to this community, he managed to hold this place together, yet his departure seems to have been the catalyst for these recent events. I am in no way blaming him for these events, but with him gone, there seems to be no active leader. Although it has been mentioned that the admins stay in contact behind the scenes, shouldn't they let us know that they're still among us?

 

[NearbyHermit]

I do think the same,but Bob is retiring.
And he had a very strong presence,we also have Ghan,but the responsability is too much for him!


We would definitely need our hand-full of moderators,now!

 

[CMarket]

It is true that admins such a Ghan and Wolverabid have an influence on the Hive, but it mostly boils down to us, the regular users. No good army will suddenly die if it's general is killed. We cannot give to despair as soon as somebody great leaves our community. For as long as we believe in the Hive, it won't die. Sure, some great pros will leave the Hive, but new ones will always arrive and, in the end, that's how life works as well.

 

[Ghan_04]

I will not willingly forsake Hive.

I'm still here. Though I may not have much to say. Feel free to drop me a PM any time.

 

[brad.dude03]

I do think the same,but Bob is retiring.
And he had a very strong presence,we also have Ghan,but the responsability is too much for him!


We would definitely need our hand-full of moderators,now!

Now that's just an outright lie. Bob may be many things, but a 'strong presence on the Hive' is not one of them. Bob hasn't been fully active for over a year now.

I think Ghan is perfectly capable of handling things, along with the other Directors, he doesn't have the whole burden to himself.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Now that's just an outright lie. Bob may be many things, but a 'strong presence on the Hive' is not one of them. Bob hasn't been fully active for over a year now.

I think Ghan is perfectly capable of handling things, along with the other Directors, he doesn't have the whole burden to himself.

Yes,I do respect your corrections on my posts.

But you,as a highly respected moderator,will you take future actions to help out,brad?

 

[brad.dude03]

Well duh, that's my job after all

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well duh, that's my job after all

Good to see you are at your best,keep up to good work

 

[Captain Griffen]

You're really a bit late on the whole inactive admins thing - there is no Ghan and Poot, and probably General Frank.

Sure, some great pros will leave the Hive, but new ones will always arrive and, in the end, that's how life works as well.

Oh really? And who was the last great pro to arrive? I can't think of any across the whole of the WC3 modding community in the last year or so. Then again, I can't tbh think of any great pros at THW to start with... I think your standard for 'great pro' is far too low.

 

[PurplePoot]

General Frank seems at least somewhat official - he appears to have the icon, though his title hasn't changed last time I checked.

 

[NearbyHermit]

There are many pros,but they are crushed by misconceptions!

There were many pros,surely they may not surpass Wolverabid and the others,but it will make a difference when they will be gone!

 

[CMarket]

Oh really? And who was the last great pro to arrive? I can't think of any across the whole of the WC3 modding community in the last year or so. Then again, I can't tbh think of any great pros at THW to start with... I think your standard for 'great pro' is far too low.

There is no need to shut me down like I did something wrong. The fact is, Captain Griffen, that you didn't meet a new pro because most of them keep to themselves or are not recognized for their knowledge of w3 or any other subject for that matter. Just because you are not aware of them, doesn't mean they do not exist. I'm not saying they are the best of the best, but they are good.

 

[Volvox]

I am a wannabe pro, does that count? And i like the changes and must say, i have spotted a bit increased moderation on the forums. One objection dough, the amount of pending resources is still concerning, i know it's not an easy job but maybe that should be your next target.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Surely,this thread instigated them!

Finally,peace has come again.It just makes me submit resources again!