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The resources search is garbage

Discussion in 'Site Discussion' started by Xonok, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. Xonok

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    There are a few things the new search does differently, making it much less useful.
    The most primary of all is that it ignores parameters on some conditions.
    For instance, if I go and write JetFangInferno as author, this is what it gives me.
    2018-04-04 16_01_58-Search Results _ HIVE.jpg
    The issue seems to be that unless you input something into the "Search..." field it will ignore everything else and just give you some random(?) resources.
    This makes the search far inferior to what we had previously. I can no longer look at all attachments from a certain person by using the search. Instead I've found the optimal way is to go to JetFangInferno's profile and look at resources from there. This approach has the issue that unless I am looking for resources from a specific author, I won't have this option. It would be best if the resource search actually did what I told it to. Similar issues apply to all other settings too, as far as I've seen.
    Meanwhile I've practically stopped using the search, because it's such a waste of time. It feels like I'm just scrolling through the entire list of approved resources instead of actually using a search like it tells me I am.
     
  2. Chaosy

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  3. Ralle

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    Can’t explain the author thing. Last I checked, it worked as expected. I will have to take a look.

    @Chaosy all the results you list have grass in the description. It works as designed for the results you listed.

    I know it may seem garbage to you, but I hold most of these things dearly. I love feedback but calling my work garbage makes me sad. I’d much rather have you say you found a bug or have an idea for improvement.
     
  4. Mechanical Man

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    The non intuitive part is that on resource page you have textbox for author, but if you want to use keyword to search you must click a link first. Because if you are searching specific thing you are more often interested in a keyword than the author. Not to mention everything this is at the bottom and you need to scroll way down to access them, while a the top are seldomly used tags and since they are so many only few first are on the starting scroll position, a position that would be fit better with the textbox and link which now lie at the bottom of the Resource Filters panel.
     
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    This.

    I am not sure what you want to do about getting supposedly bad results, because users added bad tags. That's a human error, not a search one.
    Seems like fixing tags is the answer, but who does that?

    That being said, here's a search for "grass" in the model section, which seems to work fine: Search Results for Query: grass | HIVE
    I am not quite sure what query parameters you used, I just put "grass" in the keyword search.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2018
  6. Ralle

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    Based on the link you used, @Xonok, it shows that you didn't enter any author.

    I just tried to reproduce what you said you did:
    step by step

    upload_2018-4-4_20-33-45.png
    upload_2018-4-4_20-33-50.png
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    I'm not sure how your search failed. But no matter what, it was either doing something wrong technically or confusing to use.
     
  7. KILLCIDE

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    I'm doing that for the Spell Section :D I'm currently conflicted on whether or not I should fix the tags for Substandard.
     
  8. Chaosy

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    Fair enough, but to me it only matters that I get invalid results, I do not really care why.
    Benefit of not being in charge.
    And honestly, it is not even that bad since those invalid results were 10% of the page or something.

    It is in combination with the other annoyances that it gets bad.
    I cannot stress enough how annoying it is to have the search input under advanced search. It should be at the very top of the first page in my opinion.
    There are other reasons which I have specified in other threads in the past so I will leave it at that.
     
  9. Xonok

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    This is what I did:
    2018-04-05 06_03_41-Models _ HIVE.jpg
    Seems you used a different page. What about the options down below?
     
  10. Ralle

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    Bug confirmed. When you use the quick search top right to search inside a repository, the author field is ignored.

    The page I used is one you get to by either:
    a. Hit the search field, hit advanced, and go to 'search bundles and resources'.
    or
    b. on any repository listing, in the sidebar scroll down to 'Keyword & Filter Search...'.

    The options on the page you screenshot are simple filter options. The ones I gave you directions to are the more advanced ones.
     
  11. Xonok

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    Bug confirmed, Ralle is a double-poster.
    Well, the way you use the search seems to actually work, so maybe it's not that bad.
     
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    I know what this calls out for, a "how to search" thread/guide with pictures, examples and all...
     
  13. Ralle

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    As soon as you need a guide (we probably do) you have failed. What I mean is that if a feature used by so many people needs a manual, it is simply not easy enough to use.
     
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    There have been people with the patience :croll:

    I agree tagging and categorization are part of the problem, though. I'd do it old style, like I did once with @VGsatomi, sweeping through the Map section when the Footman Frenzy category was introduced. Make a study to create appropriate categories and avoid throwing everything to miscellaneous, write some guidelines, assemble a crew, and go on a sweeping through the resource sections. It has to be done with people of strong will, of course :cwink:
     
  15. Xonok

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    Ideally I'd just like the parameters to work without having to go into a different page. Right now appearance-wise the 2 places for searching seem like they would do the same thing, but one of them is not really working properly. Do we actually have 2 different search systems in the background or something?
     
  16. Ralle

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    One is filtering of what is in each repository. Maps, Templates, Models, Icons, Skins, Tools, etc are all separate repositories. The simple filters filter only the repository you look at. However the search page can search across multiple repositories. Ideally we need a third. One that is very much empasized and custom made for our needs.
     
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    I'm glad this is being discussed; while I was fine with the change from Boolean OR to AND, and appreciate the fine-tuned options now available for searching.

    However, I too have had problems with all this, to the point that, I must about, I simply use Google to search the Hive for models. :<

    Part of it is that "type in an author, get everything else too" bit. I also agree with how the front-facing Search part is strangely half-/mal-functional, while the back-facing Search is "working" but bloated & confusing.
     
  18. Rui

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    I do this too. Not sure how well the strategy works for resources, but, when searching help threads, I've
    always found what I was looking for using Google (and restricting search to this site).
     
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    I have also complained. It's kinda useless
     
  20. Ralle

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    It's kinda useless that you didn't read the posts in this thread. I confirmed it to be a bug. The rest was just Xonok not having found all the features. Your post is useless as it does not contribute anything but a foul mood. Be constructive or don't post at all.
     
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    When searching for "Twilight Incinerate" in the models section using the top right search bar, no results will be found. However a model with this exact name exists here.