Second Human Book of Arkain (Patch 1.29.2 or newer!)

[Championfighter25]

Hey Shar since you are sort of here i want to tell you,i know this may be nitpicky and im sorry if it is,but i found a few grammar mistakes you may want to fix:
-In the interlude true colours when van Durce talks to Gardon he says ''uselss'''.Fix it so useless.
-In chapter 6 when Queen Kerra talks to Larine she says ''fought for my daughter and no against her''.Fix the no to not.
-In chapter 1 after they leave the murloc village Merlon says it's ''neccesarry''.Fix it to necessary.
-In the prologue and in the description of chapter 1 isn't the word ressources supposed to be with just one s.
-In chapter 3 in the ending cinematic Gardon says neccesary.Yeah,fix it to necessary.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Already done, just not in the changelog.

 

[Championfighter25]

Already done, just not in the changelog.

All of them,really?Good that you noticed them yourself.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Another small spoiler for the next chapter!

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If you met him in the past, you will meet an old fiery friend again.

 

[Championfighter25]

Another small spoiler for the next chapter!

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If you met him in the past, you will meet an old fiery friend again.

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Yay,if it isn't Progaderas the smoking im really going to be surpised!Another fiery friend id like to meet are those firemages that were with Harmos in chapter 1 of the first human book.

 

[LISBOAH]

Another small spoiler for the next chapter!

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If you met him in the past, you will meet an old fiery friend again.

Oh, and I bet he is dying to meet us again and that the encounter will be hot!

 

[Shar Dundred]

I bet he is burning to meet you again!

 

[Championfighter25]

Oh, and I bet he is dying to meet us again and that the encounter will be hot!

Well actually Rahandir will reveal himself before we fight him and he's gonna 1 shot him with his ice meteor ability.After his death his chilly brother will fight us.And then Rahandir will forever be known as one meteor man.

 

[lekxman22]

Well i am burning to meet next chapter

 

[Championfighter25]

Shar I wanted to ask you some BURNING questions,will the guy that is burning to see us again finally meet his match?Will it be a tinder encounter?Will this battle burn us up?Will we have to blaze up for the fight?Is it becoming too hot while im typing this in here or is it just me?Is his ult named FRYday?Will this battle burn too much time?Will his smoke be bad for our elf?Id lava to see a good fight.I hope you bring us the heat in the next chapter.And please don't let our heroes dress in flammable attire i don't want to see them get burned by him!

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OHHHHH THOSE PUNS WERE SO STUPID,but i don't regret writing it!

 

[LISBOAH]

Shar I wanted to ask you some BURNING questions,will the guy that is burning to see us again finally meet his match?Will it be a tinder encounter?Will this battle burn us up?Will we have to blaze up for the fight?Is it becoming too hot while im typing this in here or is it just me?Is his ult named FRYday?Will this battle burn too much time?Will his smoke be bad for our elf?Id lava to see a good fight.I hope you bring us the heat in the next chapter.And please don't let our heroes dress in flammable attire i don't want to see them get burned by him!

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OHHHHH THOSE PUNS WERE SO STUPID,but i don't regret writing it!

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I guess that while Gardon fights against van Durce, Smolderas makes a volcano erupt and sends an amy of fire elementals against all the living. Though I am curious how hollow will our victory be, since Smolderas apparently can ressurect himself.

Since killing Smolderas was not a main objective in the first book, I don't think he will become the main threat in the next chapter.

 

[Shar Dundred]

This isn't really a spoiler for the next chapter, but it might be missed easily ingame because of its huge size,
so I felt like sharing.

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[Championfighter25]

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I guess that while Gardon fights against van Durce, Smolderas makes a volcano erupt and sends an amy of fire elementals against all the living. Though I am curious how hollow will our victory be, since Smolderas apparently can ressurect himself.

Since killing Smolderas was not a main objective in the first book, I don't think he will become the main threat in the next chapter.

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I think he only gets revived,because he wasn't destroyed completely.It's kind of like Ornasion the destroyer.Creatures of they're power cannot be killed by ordinary means.

This isn't really a spoiler for the next chapter, but it might be missed easily ingame because of its huge size,
so I felt like sharing.

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Is this some kind of reference to the reaper from sc2 or hellboy?Or maybe im just overthinking it.

 

[LISBOAH]

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I think he only gets revived,because he wasn't destroyed completely.It's kind of like Ornasion the destroyer.Creatures of they're power cannot be killed by ordinary means.

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What if Smolderas is like the Avatar of Fire, the embodiement of the fire element itself? Then basically he will always exist, as long fire exists, and destroying his body means nothing? He can just gather fire and he gains a new body?

 

[Championfighter25]

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What if Smolderas is like the Avatar of Fire, the embodiement of the fire element itself? Then basically he will always exist, as long fire exists, and destroying his body means nothing?

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You have a point with that.I still think that he may be able to die,but only by 2 means,if he transfers his powers to another being,that would be funny,Harmos getting his power or someone else and if he is killed on his own realm,thats a bit more believable.It's just a theory and a opinion though.

 

[Boriss]

This isn't really a spoiler for the next chapter, but it might be missed easily ingame because of its huge size,
so I felt like sharing.

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A happy orc skull. Cute

 

[Championfighter25]

What if thats a happy version of Rath Wolfscar smiling,because he found out Blen Greymoore is dead?Well at least someone is happy for once.

 

[LISBOAH]

What if thats a happy version of Rath Wolfscar smiling,because he found out Blen Greymoore is dead?Well at least someone is happy for once.

Yeah.

I am sure Largoth is enjoying watching the mortals fighting each other, while the demons are coming.

 

[Championfighter25]

Yeah.

I am sure Largoth is enjoying watching the mortals fighting each other, while the demons are coming.

Hey that reminds me of an idea.Why doesn't Shar make infernals fall from the sky in chapter 8 for obvious reasons.And why not have Genethas make his return.Well the latter may be for a future chapter.

 

[LISBOAH]

Hey that reminds me of an idea.Why doesn't Shar make infernals fall from the sky in chapter 8 for obvious reasons.And why not have Genethas make his return.Well the latter is for a future chapter.

Oh no no no. Genethas is smart, remember that he fooled the imperials for decades. Why bother showing up at the middle of a civil war between Gardon and van Durce? He will just stay sit watching the two factions destroy each other, and once one side is victorious, and clearly weakened, he will come with his armies and crush whatever forces remains.

 

[Championfighter25]

Oh no no no. Genethas is smart, remember that he fooled the imperials for decades. Why bother showing up at the middle of a civil war between Gardon and van Durce? He will just stay sit watching the two factions destroy each other, and once one side is victorious, and clearly weakened, he will come with his armies and crush whatever forces remains.

Well Kasrkin or Shar mention somewhere he betrayed the imperials,because he was promised by a demoness named Ebira to become king of all demon slaves,just promised,no guarantees,so he may have fell for it.It would be funny if he loses a battle and asks the demons for help and they say ''sorry he don't have enough forces to support you,call emergency demon army delivery later,when you are actually useful''.Oh that would be the greatest roast of all time and a fitting death for him!

 

[LISBOAH]

Well Kasrkin or Shar mention somewhere he betrayed the imperials,because he was promised by a demoness named Ebira to become king of all demon slaves,just promised,no guarantees,so he may have fell for it.It would be funny if he loses a battle and asks the demons for help and they say ''sorry he don't have enough forces to support you,call emergency demon army delivery later,when you are actually useful''.Oh that would be the greatest roast of all time and a fitting death for him!

I think the demons will keep him alive as long the Empire is a threat. Why? Because Genethas knows exactly how the imperials think and act. Demons can disguise themselves as mortals, but they don't know how they think, a thing Genethas knows. Plus, Genethas can use his position, wealth and influence to draw more mortals to the cause, granting the demons more soldiers and spies among their enemies.

 

[Championfighter25]

I think the demons will keep him alive as long the Empire is a threat. Why? Because Genethas knows exactly how the imperials think and act. Demons can disguise themselves as mortals, but they don't know how they think, a thing Genethas knows. Plus, Genethas can use his position, wealth and influence to draw more mortals to the cause, granting the demons more soldiers and spies among their enemies.

Pretty much everyone knows he is a traitor so he will also need to be very manipulative,but since he brainwashed everyone of his men that won't be a problem.Did you know that apparently every one of the veterans of the void war allowed themselves willingly to get possesed by demons,except Genethas who isn't.The only people who won't fall for his tricks are maybe Gardon's men,because they would rather die than even think of betraying him and maybe people who have common sense.

 

[LISBOAH]

Pretty much everyone knows he is a traitor so he will also need to be very manipulative,but since he brainwashed everyone of his men that won't be a problem.Did you know that apparently every one of the veterans of the void war allowed themselves willingly to get possesed by demons,except Genethas who isn't.The only people who won't fall for his tricks are maybe Gardon's men,because they would rather die than even think of betraying him and maybe people who have common sense.

Genethas can act like Kel'Thuzad. Kel'Thuzad spent years recruiting members for his Cult of the Damned and as we have seen, a lot joined. Why?
-Promises of power
-The idea of eternal life (even if that meant being subjected to the Lich King for all eternity)
-Many commoners joined the cult because they felt dissastified with the Kingdom of Lordaeron, as the king raised new taxes to fund his armies and the camps where orcs were imprisioned. Kel'Thuzad promised them a new society where they could ascend in position.
-Perharps the idea that if they joined the Scourge, they and their families could be spared?

 

[Championfighter25]

Genethas can act like Kel'Thuzad. Kel'Thuzad spent years recruiting members for his Cult of the Damned and as we have seen, a lot joined. Why?
-Promises of power
-The idea of eternal life (even if that meant being subjected to the Lich King for all eternity)
-Many commoners joined the cult because they felt dissastified with the Kingdom of Lordaeron, as the king raised new taxes to fund his armies and the camps where orcs were imprisioned. Kel'Thuzad promised them a new society where they could ascend in position.
-Perhaps the idea that if they joined the Scourge, they and their families could be spared?

Genethas can actually manipulate people just like Kel'Thuzad as you said:
1)He was promised power no mortal could obtain and all of his men shared his opinion.I think even those that were skeptical had no problem with.
2)I don't think demon slaves can live forever,but maybe demon magic can extend they're life,even if it meant a loss of free will.Again no one protested.
3)Using people who have been throught a lot and have been miserable as a way to make them join you.Sounds like something he and the demons can only do.Since the people have no free will they don't care what happens to them or what post they take.
4)If they're families didn't join you then they will not get spared.The demons are manipulative thought,they can created illusions for you to believe that you still have a family.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Version 0.44 will be uploaded within a few minutes.

 

[LISBOAH]

This is about Genethas and his somewhat similarities to Kel'Thuzad
1)He was promised power no mortal could obtain and all of his men shared his opinion.I think even those that were sceptical had no problem with.
2)I don't think demon slaves can live forever,but maybe demon magic can extend they're life,even if it meant a loss of free will.Again no one protested.
3)Using people who have been throught a lot and have been miserable as a way to make them join you.Sounds like something he and the demons can only do.
4)If they're falimies didn't join you then they will not get spared.I t may work though.

Yeah.

Though I find Kel'Thuzad more sympathetic than Genethas, especially after reading Road to Damnation. Kel'Thuzad was an outcast among the Kirin Tor, because he believed that they needed to learn new types of magic, like necromancy, so that they could be better prepared in case a new enemy was to appear. However his colleagues were too close-minded to see this and immediately start destroying his research and threaten him with exile.

He then goes to Northrend to be taught by the Lich King, completely unaware of the Lich King's plans. When he realizes that the Lich King is not just a powerful necromancer, but a ruthless and powerful individual aiming to unleash a plague upon the world, he tries to flee but the shades surround him. They then guide him to the Lich King, who procedes to torture Kel'Thuzad merely to show his power. The Lich King then gives an ultimatum "join him and obtain more power, or die and become his servant either way". Realizing that there was no escape, even through death, plus the promise of new power sounded interesting, Kel'Thuzad agreed.

 

[Championfighter25]

Yeah.

Though I find Kel'Thuzad more sympathetic than Genethas, especially after reading Road to Damnation. Kel'Thuzad was an outcast among the Kirin Tor, because he believed that they needed to learn new types of magic, like necromancy, so that they could be better prepared in case a new enemy was to appear. However his colleagues were too close-minded to see this and immediately start destroying his research and threaten him with exile.

He then goes to Northrend to be taught by the Lich King, completely unaware of the Lich King's plans. When he realizes that the Lich King is not just a powerful necromancer, but a ruthless and powerful individual aiming to unleash a plague upon the world, he tries to flee but the shades surround him. They then guide him to the Lich King, who procedes to torture Kel'Thuzad merely to show his power. The Lich King then gives an ultimatum "join him and obtain more power, or die and become his servant either way". Realizing that there was no escape, even through death, plus the promise of new power sounded interesting, Kel'Thuzad agreed.

Yeah i agree on that,Genethas's only reason to betray is because well he was given a promise for power and just that,he wasn't given an ultimatum,he was just manipulated into accepting by a demoness,not that i hate it or something and maybe his backstory will be revealed further in a future chapter,but Kel'Thuzad really had reasons.
Also i suggest if we want to discuss or write warcraft lore further to do it in another thread or in a chat.

 

[LISBOAH]

Yeah i agree on that,Genethas's only reason to betray is because well he was given a promise for power and just that,no ultimatum,he was just manipulated into accepting by a demoness,not that i hate it or something and maybe his backstory will be revealed further in a future chapter,but Kel'Thuzad really had reasons.

Given Genethas' excuse at the end of the First Book, plus the fact that humanity was very close in driving the demons away for good, I don't think he was given an ultimatum. Genethas betrayed his allies at the worst possible moment and is responsible for the demons still existing in the continent.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Indeed, Genethas took the power for power's sake - and because he had been seduced -
not because he had no other choice.

So, what @LISBOAH said.

 

[Championfighter25]

Given Genethas' excuse at the end of the First Book, plus the fact that humanity was very close in driving the demons away for good, I don't think he was given an ultimatum. Genethas betrayed his allies at the worst possible moment and is responsible for the demons still existing in the continent.

I made a mistake in my message i wanted to write ''he wasn't given an ultimatum''.And the humans will defeat the demons,but they will need a being of great power to completely kill they're legion commanders and they're ultimate demonic lord,as they do not have that kind of power,maybe thats why Brian wants Gardon to continue his path,because he believe that he and only he can put an end to this!This theory may be far fetched,but it makes logic,even if a little bit.

 

[LISBOAH]

I made a mistake in my message i wanted to write ''he wasn't given an ultimatum''.And the humans will defeat the demons,but they will need a being of great power to completely kill they're legion commanders and they're ultimate demonic lord,as they do not have that kind of power.

That is true. With the number of deaths with all these civil wars, the humans (and by humans I mean humans, elves and dwarves) don't have the strenght to drive the demons away, much less defeat them for good.

Aridon himself admits that he couldn't kill Ornassion, a Demon Lord, so the humans being capable of killing one would take a lot of sacrifices.

 

[Championfighter25]

That is true. With the number of deaths with all these civil wars, the humans (and by humans I mean humans, elves and dwarves) don't have the strenght to drive the demons away, much less defeat them for good.

Aridon himself admits that he couldn't kill Ornassion, a Demon Lord, so the humans being capable of killing one would take a lot of sacrifices.

Quickly,find the closest village it's time we made an anti-demon shield and a demon legion commander killing ritual of course!

 

[LISBOAH]

Find the closest village it's time we made an anti-demon shield!

That could work for a while, but demons can use tunnels (or create them) to bypass these shields or use spies to infiltrate the defenses and attack from within.

 

[Championfighter25]

That could work for a while, but demons can use tunnels (or create them) to bypass these shields or use spies to infiltrate the defenses and attack from within.

Yes,i know it was a joke.
And you are right,we don't want to see another derryn outpost situation again,except if a certain cruel tyrant doesn't make one.Then we would all love it.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Here is the new version!
I am very sorry but there has been a bug with Brian in the last chapter that prevented him
from being saved as a hero at the end, meaning that his items, abilities and skills won't be
transfered to the next time you see him.
I have fixed this, but I am afraid you will have to play Chapter Seven again. :-/
HOWEVER, to make up for this, I have added another scene to the ending cinematic you might
find EXTREMELY interesting!
I would even go as far as saying that it is worth playing again.

Enjoy!

Version 0.44

General:
- Changed hotkey for Elite from E to L
- Fixed the tooltip for Mind Attack
- Following changes have been made to the Destructor unit:
* Increased building and repair time from 60 to 75 seconds
* Increased training and repair cost from 350/90 to 375/120
* Increased cooldown for attacks from 2.30 to 3.00
* Increased unit damage from 51-105/52-115/53-125/54-135 to 72-142/73-153/74-164/75-175
* No changes to the food cost
- Following changes have been made to the Destructor upgrade Improved Aiming:
* Increased upgrade cost from 250/200 to 300/200
* The upgrade now also increases the unit damage by 5

Chapter Four:
- Fixed the Trebuchets not being able to attack buildings issue (actually intended, but I decided to change it regardless)
- Removed the shade from the enemies' trebuchets - you guys have suffered long enough
- Both the Elites you start with and the ones you can obtain with the Side Quest no longer cost any food (no changes for normal Elites), making them both more useful and more important
- The Knight in the end cinematic now moves slightly closer to the group

Chapter Five:
- Added a trebuchet along with a small siege team to Scarlett's base

Chapter Seven:
- Repaired the roof of the throne room to make it stop raining inside
- Added some statues to the throne room
- Added a new scene to the ending cinematic
- Fixed Brian not being saved at the end of the chapter

 

[Championfighter25]

Damn you Shar,i was just gonna sleep,now with you're updates you will make me replay chapter 7.Is this all part of your plan?Also althought you won't add it and it is a very stupid suggestion you can add a extra interaction between characters in chapter 7 where lady Riana talks and gets interrupted by Thanok who says "burn the witch".

 

[LISBOAH]

Here is the new version!
I am very sorry but there has been a bug with Brian in the last chapter that prevented him
from being saved as a hero at the end, meaning that his items, abilities and skills won't be
transfered to the next time you see him.
I have fixed this, but I am afraid you will have to play Chapter Seven again. :-/
HOWEVER, to make up for this, I have added another scene to the ending cinematic you might
find EXTREMELY interesting!
I would even go as far as saying that it is worth playing again.

Enjoy!

Version 0.44

General:
- Changed hotkey for Elite from E to L
- Fixed the tooltip for Mind Attack
- Following changes have been made to the Destructor unit:
* Increased building and repair time from 60 to 75 seconds
* Increased training and repair cost from 350/90 to 375/120
* Increased cooldown for attacks from 2.30 to 3.00
* Increased unit damage from 51-105/52-115/53-125/54-135 to 72-142/73-153/74-164/75-175
* No changes to the food cost
- Following changes have been made to the Destructor upgrade Improved Aiming:
* Increased upgrade cost from 250/200 to 300/200
* The upgrade now also increases the unit damage by 5

Chapter Four:
- Fixed the Trebuchets not being able to attack buildings issue (actually intended, but I decided to change it regardless)
- Removed the shade from the enemies' trebuchets - you guys have suffered long enough
- Both the Elites you start with and the ones you can obtain with the Side Quest no longer cost any food (no changes for normal Elites), making them both more useful and more important
- The Knight in the end cinematic now moves slightly closer to the group

Chapter Five:
- Added a trebuchet along with a small siege team to Scarlett's base

Chapter Seven:
- Repaired the roof of the throne room to make it stop raining inside
- Added some statues to the throne room
- Added a new scene to the ending cinematic
- Fixed Brian not being saved at the end of the chapter

I played it.

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First of, your last scene is not very well done. The shadow doesn't appear and neither does Larine. Brian is the only one that appears.
Second. So Brian is something of the same caliber of a dreadlord? Interesting.
--Larine used Special Arrow!
--It didn't had any effect!
--Larine drops book and flees.
--Lord Brian obtains book!

 

[Kasrkin]

Technical difficulties, please stand by until we get back to you!

 

[Shar Dundred]

I apologize for the inconvinience, I have fixed it.

Should there be anything else, I will deal with it tomorrow.

 

[Championfighter25]

I finished chapter 7 again.

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Well i didn't expect Brian to be so tolerant toward Larine and let her live,he was Gardon's tutor after all so i didn't expect him to even listen to her.Him being on the level of a dreadlord may make him be powerful enough to destroy a high ranking dreadlord,maybe the humans will have a chance.And by the way does Gardon know that he is that powerful or is this a secret Brian is keeping from him?The plot thickens!

 

[Shar Dundred]

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Maybe Larine was simply driven insane by the book and the arrow was nothing special? :^]
Neither you as player nor most beings of Arkain know the full extend of Brian's power.

 

[Championfighter25]

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Maybe Larine was simply driven insane by the book and the arrow was nothing special? :^]
Neither you as player nor most beings of Arkain know the full extend of Brian's power.

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Can Brian be an equal to Aridon in terms of power?Only time will tell.As LISBOAH said you may want to make the arrow have a special effect.And i've always wondered something if Brian is at least a few centuries old,then how old is Gardon?How did they meet?How did Brian train him?

I know you can't answer these questions right now,but i just want to know if it will be revealed in this book or a spin-off.

 

[Boriss]

Guys I need your help. When I play interlude in Shar´s campaigns, its all okay. But in Curse of the Forsaken v2.1 by tomoraider I cant play the Sunwell interlude. I just get black screen. Any advice on how to solve this problem?

 

[Championfighter25]

Guys I need your help. When I play interlude in Shar´s campaigns, its all okay. But in Curse of the Forsaken v2.1 by tomoraider I cant play the Sunwell interlude. I just get black screen. Any advice on how to solve this problem?

Sorry man,but this isn't the thread where you should ask such a question.Ask Tomoraider on his profile page.He may help you.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I know you can't answer these questions right now,but i just want to know if it will be revealed in this book or a spin-off.

Everything shalt be revealed in time.

---
It's not like I don't want to help you, @Boriss, but sadly I am unable to.
Been a while since I last played that campaign.
The best approach would be to either contact Tomoraider or make a post in his campaign.
Sorry.

 

[Boriss]

Everything shalt be revealed in time.

---
It's not like I don't want to help you, @Boriss, but sadly I am unable to.
Been a while since I last played that campaign.
The best approach would be to either contact Tomoraider or make a post in his campaign.
Sorry.

Cant figure out why tomos and your interludes are so different. Makes my head spin.

 

[lekxman22]

Bahhh it tears me appart when i need to play chapter again

 

[Championfighter25]

Bahhh it tears me appart when i need to play chapter again

Desperate times call for desperate measures,either play on easy or enable the hacks.

 

[Boriss]

Everything shalt be revealed in time.

---
It's not like I don't want to help you, @Boriss, but sadly I am unable to.
Been a while since I last played that campaign.
The best approach would be to either contact Tomoraider or make a post in his campaign.
Sorry.

Wonder who was the shade. Maybe Brian´s wife? He mentioned royal secrets tho. What if it is Queen Renova and hes after the same thing Rahandir is? They are old mates after all.
Still no Larine and Salana romance though.