HiveWE - World Editor 0.6

[Greybeards]

I couldn't install that.When showing WAR3 directory it comes back to the Select Directory again.I did it several times but it was the same.

If there is any guide how to install that please help me

 

[HeuDevil]

it doesn't work for me, it's opening a black window(CMD) and says loading CASC data from D:/Games/Warcraft 1.31/Warcraft III/
and then it just closes and nothing else. i have the requirments for the program but it doesn't work.

 

[Krolan]

Works fine. Do make sure that the folder you select is the actual main folder of Warcraft, not a folder before that (happened to me)

Fully supporting this Project! Would be amazing if this comes to fruition proper.

One thing I wonder, if anyone cares to answer, if one creates a map on this and saves it, with which version can the map be played? In other words, what Version of WC3 Editor does it emulate when you save the map to file?

EDIT:
Tested it some, and found the following.
HiveWE most likely can open any (unprotected) map, but definetly Editor Version 6059 (1.24-1.28.5), by using "Open File (MPQ)". If you create a map or save a map as "Save File" or "Save File as" (which it does as multiple files in a folder (Casc)), the WC3 Editor reports the map being created on Editor Version 6061 (1.30.0-1.30.4), can be opened by 1.31.1 as well though. Sadly, however, the function "Export to MPQ" which would create you a .w3x file crashes the editor, so I cannot confirm if a map could be created that could be opened on, for example, 1.26-1.28 for the purposes of PvPGN. Assuming howerver, that one can open a map from a "Casc"-Folder inside the game on 1.30, which I sadly don't know, it for now still would be viable to create a map that works for anyone using LAN (Gameranger/Radmin)

Since I reject reforged in spite of having bought WC3 three times already over the past decade, I cannot tell you how HiveWE behaves about 1.32 and up.

 

[BogdanW3]

Hive acts as the highest version it supports, and there were major changes around 1.31. Table linked here has supported Wc3 versions for each HiveWE release, so maps are saved as those versions. You shouldn't expect maps saved in newer versions to work on older ones, as every change made to the vanilla editor functionality would also be reflected in the file formats. As for reforged, 0.7 plans to target it. Maps made in reforged aren't shown ingame at all on older versions.

 

[Krolan]

Hive acts as the highest version it supports, and there were major changes around 1.31. Table linked here has supported Wc3 versions for each HiveWE release, so maps are saved as those versions. You shouldn't expect maps saved in newer versions to work on older ones, as every change made to the vanilla editor functionality would also be reflected in the file formats. As for reforged, 0.7 plans to target it. Maps made in reforged aren't shown ingame at all on older versions.

Thanks for the clarification!

So the "Save as MPQ" function on 0.6 is a fluke? Or is there a problem on my system as to why it crashes the editor? (Because despite it not being MPQ, it would be nice to have a .w3x file, but i suppose you could work around that, by opening the Casc Folder in the WC3 Editor and then saving it).

Yes, the crash occurs even when I simply place some doodads on the map and try to "Save as MPQ". It doesn't if I save to file, which gives me a folder that I can open in the World Editor.


Kinda hoped HiveWE could act as a replacement to some extend, but I guess it's only a supplement to the World editor ^^'

 

[BogdanW3]

The exported w3x should be openable by the vanilla World editor. And if you mean that HiveWE crashes, that can occur in some cases but is probably fixed in the upcoming 0.7 version

 

[Macadamia]

Oh well let's hope 0.7 gets released soon, can't wait for the ability to edit pathing directly, among other things!

 

[Ether]

Is it possible for making object layer?
Like for example I want to put 'Layer1" which consists of footmen and riflemen.
And then create 'Layer2' which consists of orc grunts and headhunters.

Which the layers can be turned off, freeze, hide, or lock. This can work in reducing memory consumption due to animated objects in the editor.

 

[Macadamia]

Hello again, I had a look on the project page GitHub.
I was wondering if it was possible to build it on Visual Studio 2019 CE or if VS2017 is required ?

 

[iown_azz]

Hello again, I had a look on the project page GitHub.
I was wondering if it was possible to build it on Visual Studio 2019 CE or if VS2017 is required ?

did you ever get it work on 2019? I couldn't get it and only have 15gb after downloading a bunch of stuff trying to make it work so I never tried the 2017

 

[Daffa]

What patch is 0.6 builds on? 1.31?

 

[Macadamia]

Nope I failed miserably

 

[iown_azz]

Nope I failed miserably

I wish someone would just release an exe from the beta ;(

 

[Macadamia]

Well with a bit of patience, I guess we'll soon have a third-party World Editor alternative for Reforged

 

[eejin]

I seem to not have received any notifications regarding new comments, so sorry about that. I am hard at work on improving HiveWE and adding in new features such as an object editor. Many changes needed to be made to the codebase to properly load game data and also being able to save it again, but I have been making great progress. Unfortunately I can't say when 0.7 is due to be released as I very often run into new issues that I need to fix before I can continue.

If you are curious about my activity then you can look at the Github page or message me on here or Discord. Here is a small sneak peek of the Object Editor that is coming in 0.7

 

[Macadamia]

Wow. What a nice sneak-peak !!!!

I can't wait to be able to work on a real third party WE. Especially as I never had this chance besides Zepir's back in 2004.
Not sure everyone understands that this is the second 3rd party WE in history ?

All other candidates I have read about since my return are extensions of the official WE, but this is a complete different league !

Just want to thank you and everyone else who has worked on this project in advance, as this is going to be huge for the entire community.

 

[Kyrbi0]

sometimes I forget about this but holy COW, Object Editor tabs?

Sign me up (provisionally). : )

 

[Macadamia]

Just a quick message for anyone reading this thread, I have managed to build the latest version thanks to the help of @eejin .

I still faced a few issues when testing with some of my maps, but I was not that surprised considering the amount of things I tend to tinker with.

The program is really fast. Rendering is really beautiful, the terrain palette is really nice too.
The direct pathing editing is a must have that the official editor will probably never give us.
And I haven't even tested half of the features yet !

Overall, my first impression of the program is the outstanding potential that it holds.
Also, it has no competition whatsoever, since Zepir's WE is the only other third-party World Editor and is completely obsolete.
Remember this is not just an extension of the official WE!

I wish I had more knowledge in coding c++ because then I would be able to help a bit more, because this tool is so unique.

I suppose I can't even imagine what it could become with more contributions, and eventual future interfacing with other tools.

This is just HUGE !

 

[iown_azz]

Just a quick message for anyone reading this thread, I have managed to build the latest version thanks to the help of @eejin .

I still faced a few issues when testing with some of my maps, but I was not that surprised considering the amount of things I tend to tinker with.

The program is really fast. Rendering is really beautiful, the terrain palette is really nice too.
The direct pathing editing is a must have that the official editor will probably never give us.
And I haven't even tested half of the features yet !

Overall, my first impression of the program is the outstanding potential that it holds.
Also, it has no competition whatsoever, since Zepir's WE is the only other third-party World Editor and is completely obsolete.
Remember this is not just an extension of the official WE!

I wish I had more knowledge in coding c++ because then I would be able to help a bit more, because this tool is so unique.

I suppose I can't even imagine what it could become with more contributions, and eventual future interfacing with other tools.

This is just HUGE !

Did you use VS 19 or VS 17?

 

[Macadamia]

I actually built it with Visual Studio 2019 Community Edition

 

[Zwiebelchen]

Object editor looks great!

I hope you dont run into any more issues now. The community needs this tool desperately.

Looking forward to the release.
Keep up the good work.

 

[Macadamia]

Yes one must admit this project is a titan's work, I hope more people will be able to help in the future so that the community gets what Blizzard has denied it ; a proper World Editor !

 

[stan0033]

im using 1.26 and when i select the folder it doesnt want to start, just pops it out again to find my warcraft III folder. Help! I also have a folder with version 1.29 and it does the same thing with it
im stuck on warcraft 3 directory

 

[BogdanW3]

Old Warcraft versions are only supported by old HiveWE versions: you can check here, with all versions before 1.30 being mostly interchangeable.

 

[chopinski]

It would be pretty cool if hive launched an IDE to code in JASS/vJASS, like JassCraft but updated with the new natives and stuff like that. Would be cool if it could compile and check for errors. Blizzard is not giving us anything close to that for a time i think.

 

[koschel]

Is it Reforged compatible? Cause I cannot select Warcraft III folder - when I do so, program returns to "Select Warcraft Directory" again :/

 

[eejin]

Is it Reforged compatible? Cause I cannot select Warcraft III folder - when I do so, program returns to "Select Warcraft Directory" again :/

Version 0.6 is not Reforged compatible. I am currently working on version 0.7 which will be compatible with Reforged although I'm not sure when it will be ready to be released.

 

[koschel]

Version 0.6 is not Reforged compatible. I am currently working on version 0.7 which will be compatible with Reforged although I'm not sure when it will be ready to be released.

Thank You very much for quick response, you are doing great job!

 

[terrio]

good stuff

 

[Ardenaso]

works with Reforged, right?

 

[SinisterLuffy]

The current version is not compatible with Reforged. The next version, however, will be compatible with Reforged. I wonder whatever the next version will remain compatible with, let's say, the latest legacy patch, 1.31, or not.

@eejin Any thoughts on that? I heard that you never go backwards for patch versions, so I was afraid you would drop compatibility for legacy patches.

 

[terrio]

works with Reforged, right?

0.6 doesnt, but theres alpha of 0.7 circulating which supports reforged

 

[eejin]

@eejin Any thoughts on that? I heard that you never go backwards for patch versions, so I was afraid you would drop compatibility for legacy patches.

HiveWE 0.6 and up require casc so the base version is 1.30. I'm not sure if HiveWE 0.7 will still work on 1.30/1.31 and if it does then it's a happy accident. I won't try and keep compatibility with older WC3 patches. You can always import older maps though!

 

[W3Hybrid]

Ive been working on a map off and on for a few years, but I just discovered this tool. Seems cool! Is this similar to WEX? Maybe slightly different, or just better?

I downloaded 0.6 along with 1.31 but it wont run cause my registry is currently set to Reforged. I know how to fix it (I have multiple versions of WC3 installed) just dont feel like changing my registry atm. So I'll probably wait for the next patch since my map is already on 1.32, kinda wish I kept my map on 1.28/WEX a little while longer, but I have little reason for it other than compatibility with legacy players lol

I know Blizzard will probably release 1.33 soon with clan ranks and stuff (hopefully the editor gets some love too) and Im sure you have to keep tweaking things with each new patch, so I hope you are able to release a stable 0.7 shortly after 1.33! fingers-crossed that 1.33 is a solid patch lol

 

[eejin]

It's meant to be a fully custom WE compared to WEX which was a layer on top of the regular WE. Being fully custom will allow for many things such as improved UI/UX, cool features and community updates. I will probably release v0.7 before WC3 1.33 is released (which I expect to be before Christmas).

 

[SebioL]

The editing tools are fundamental in the world of gamers, the time when playing was the only intention of the players, is a thing of the past. Today the modder community has a huge influence on the survival of a game. Having the freedom to modify is something that creates a longer life span for a game.
Perhaps games like BFME2, my favorite RTS (undoubtedly), if they had an editor as good as W.E, they would be more successful in the market. Not for nothing, Wc3 is a game that is not out of evidence until today.
To create a more sophisticated editor than WE itself, that would be a real luxury when it comes to Warcraft 3. Perhaps the best thing about Wc3's popularity over other games, is its powerful Map Editor, which for many can it doesn't look like it, but in fact, WE is way above the gameplay itself or even Warcraft game quality. The game is still in demand today, I believe that much more for its editor than for the game itself, through which different games are easily recreated, you are free to produce all the creativity you can imagine without having to be a coding professional.
If we have a powerful editor that has historically been made available by Blizzard, why not make an edit on it. I think the idea of improving it is great so that it increasingly becomes an even better and more practical World Editor.

Now, as for the new tool itself ... aiming at improvements and increasing the possibility of editions for even more differentiated gameplays, I have some suggestions / considerations:

1. Would it be possible through it to create maps with an expanded Doodad limitation, or at least above the limit standard WE., we thought that with Reforged, this time Blizzard would provide us with higher limits to Doodads, but again it will be up to the community to resolve it!

2. Would it be possible to reach maps of 512x512 or even 1024x1024 someday? I'm sure a lot of people don't create better stories or more personalized gameplays due to the 480x480 limitation.

3. In an excessively hypothetical situation: It would be possible to create a “General UI Edition” in which it was able to achieve instantaneous modification of the number of maximum units selected, such as having a selection of 25 units or more simultaneous units, as there is in SC2 . And create on the command buttons loose windows with the capacity to enlarge the size or move, dragging with the mouse, with the possibility of having the number of columns or customizable lines, which would increase the number of slots for spells and items, for example.

4. A general suggestion ... would be to try to get closer to the tools that the StarCraft Editor has and that W.E. still remains without these improvements..

 

[RanchBurner]

I'd also be for map terrain "conversion" from Starcraft 2 to Warcraft 3, especially since Starcraft 2 has less cliff levels. If the SC2 editor can "import" WC3 maps, why not make it possible to go the other way?

 

[Dr Super Good]

why not make it possible to go the other way?

SC2 terrain system is a lot more flexible than WC3. It works by blending repeating textures in various ratios across chunks as opposed to "tiles".

 

[RanchBurner]

SC2 terrain system is a lot more flexible than WC3. It works by blending repeating textures in various ratios across chunks as opposed to "tiles".

And there's no way to work around that? Maybe calculate the ratios to the greatest texture match? Or import the SC2 map with just a single starting texture?

 

[TriggerHappy]

And there's no way to work around that? Maybe calculate the ratios to the greatest texture match? Or import the SC2 map with just a single starting texture?

There's no way around it. The tile system simply doesn't support anything like that. The best you can do is paint with ubersplats.

 

[sonphamthe11H]

Would love to have directly map script editing

 

[RanchBurner]

There's no way around it. The tile system simply doesn't support anything like that. The best you can do is paint with ubersplats.

Hmmm, alright thanks for explaining. Otherwise it would take a super-genius to make it possible. I was just thinking of the cliff levels...

 

[stan0033]

Why does it have to point to the whole folder? why not take it from the registry or at least to need an MPQ?

it's so hard to make it run......

 

[BogdanW3]

The MPQs have not been a part of the game files since 1.30, and the current release version is for 1.31 - as is specified in the Tool description.
For version 1.32, you would have to wait for version 0.7 or build from the source on Github.
For older versions, you'd have to get an older release.

 

[stan0033]

where do i get older releases?

 

[BogdanW3]

where do i get older releases?

Older versions of HiveWE can also be found on the github, in the releases tab.
You can see which version works with which Warcraft 3 patch here.
I don't recommend using older versions as they are likely to be missing very useful features, get a newer patch of Warcraft instead.

And to someone who asked how to build from source, the instructions are specified on the HiveWE main page on the github, here.

 

[LxXDINJIN]

Hello sir, I am currently making a 1.32 map, and I am also making a 1.27 map. I want to use your editor, but I don't know how to use it. I am Chinese and English is not very friendly to me, I don't know. Sir, have you ever considered merging certain interfaces and functions of NetEase's we editor? This is the website: 作者之家

This my map for1.32

 

[Ardenaso]

dota 2?

 

[LxXDINJIN]

dota 2?

NO! This Warcraft III: Reforged.

 

[eejin]

Hello sir, I am currently making a 1.32 map, and I am also making a 1.27 map. I want to use your editor, but I don't know how to use it. I am Chinese and English is not very friendly to me, I don't know. Sir, have you ever considered merging certain interfaces and functions of NetEase's we editor? This is the website: 作者之家

This my map for1.32

That looks really good. Currently HiveWE will not work with 1.32, but it will in the future. It will however never support 1.27.
I will work on making some things automatically translated to the language that Warcraft III is running in.