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WW2: World in Flames [REVISED]

Discussion in 'Map Development' started by Fingolfin, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. .VTZ.

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    i lold so hard when i saw that wing too :D
     
  2. RiotZ

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    Nazi Germany is responsible for so many technologies we use today, and didn't discover, or properly begin using until after World War II. Albert Einstein was a German-born scientist, without him the nuclear weapon would not exist, it was his theory of relativity upon which the nuclear weapon was created.

    E = Mc2 (E = Energy) (M = Mass of Your Object) (c2 = The speed of light squared (squared aka times itself))
     
  3. clockwork2

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    and he was a plot device for the popular red alert series!also according to wiki didn't the germens have a jet bomber?and v2 rockets!
     
  4. RiotZ

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    Yes they did. They invented the first jet engine plane, and the first missile capable of sub-orbital flight, (the V-2 missile).
     
  5. WOWWARS

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    wif is so perfect of a ww2 game
     
  6. Carter_117

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    Yes thats true but im just saying the other countries did have the research, USA just beat them cause the Axis powers were needing all resources to try and hold their boarders (among other things) and the rest of Allies I assume were either to banged up to do much about their research or just left it to the Americans.

    And alot of Modern day tech comes from the Nazis... imagine what we could have found if they didnt destroy some/most of it... going off-topic but still interesting to think about:grin:
     
  7. RiotZ

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    This isn't off-topic it pertains to gameplay. The Nazis were the only other country capable of creating a nuclear weapon according to documented history. We stole the idea from them in hopes of beating them to it, like I said, Albert Einstein, German scientist.
     
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    Albert Einstein is not a good example at all. Basically because he is not directly connected to the creation of the nuclear bomb, but also because he did not cooperate with Nazi Germany during the Second World War, but left Germany when Hitler got the power in 1933 and did not come back to Germany in that whole time of Nationalsocialism.
    On the contrary, Albert Einstein warned the US Government, that the Germans could look to create a nuclear weapon.
    He himself was a clear supporter of not using nuclear weapons.

    Regarding the gameplay use of a nuclear weapon, I doubt that it does make a lot of sense when representing it realistic. Because it just cannot work out in a strategy map. Because of that, I personally would just do it without the nuclear bombs at all.
     
  9. RiotZ

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    Without the theory of relativity the nuclear weapon would not exist. You are missing the point, the point is that Nazi Germany had created every modern piece of technology before any other country.

    This should clear up what I am saying... Click.
    If you are too lazy to read it, it states that matter can be turned into energy, small amounts of matter are equivalent to large amounts of energy. This is the basis of the nuclear weapon, a firing mechanism launches an object at another piece of matter the collision creates a conversion, I'm not a nuclear physicist so I don't know exactly how it works.
     
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    You are generalizing and look to inaccurate at it, that is something that you cannot do about history.
    The Theory of relativity is not in anyway connected to Nazi Germany.
    Apart from that, this theory might be base for further investigation, but it is NOT an instruction on how to build an nuclear weapon.
    The German Government during the Second World War was very Technology-orientated but not in all topics the world-wide leading country, that is just unprecise.

    But I doubt it is productive to continue this talk here.
    Please consider to look at history more detailed in future, because that his how history has to be dealt with. Generalisation is something you do not want to do when talking about history.

    Still I think my opinion on the gameplay issue is valid aswell.
     
  11. Fingolfin

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    I think it is misleading to dub Germany as technically superior to all other countries of it's time. Surely, they were ahead in military tactics, but even though lots of people praise the Stuka , V2 and the Tiger/Panther for being technical marvels of their time (which they weren't), a lot of countries had other ingenious inventions going on at the same time. The Japanese Zero had the highest climb and turn rate of all fighters in the world for the entire war, and the british did infact invent their jet engine independent of the germans, although their design was slightly inferior and the principle is not the one used today. Also, soviet tanks were always superior to the german equivalents except for the Tiger and Panther tanks, the latter of which was only successful because it had copied crucial elements from the T34. The reason for the high soviet death counts were merely poor training and organization, all of their equipment was infact top standard.

    Finally, the a-bomb was invented by Oppenheimer, who was born american.
     
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    Germany had a clear advantage, where I must bluntly disagree is military tactics. The leaders of Germany made a very stupid and arrogant decision to attempt to fight several countries on three fronts.
     
  13. Fingolfin

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    I was refering to the tactic in battle, such as using a combination of dive bombers and tank spearheads with infantry huddled up behind to break through enemy defenses, and the blitzkrieg tactic in general. (as opposed to the early-war russian and japanese tactic of merely storming everything straight at them)
     
  14. RiotZ

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    I can't argue with that.

    Will the Tsar Bomba be available for production? :D
     
  15. Fingolfin

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    No.

    As far as the whole nuclear bomb discussion goes; my original intention was to use nuclear ballistic missiles rather than having them dropped from planes, since that would be more easy to spot and avoid than a plane. I could say though, that this is would be a bit outside of the scope of WW2 and would rather be associated to the cold war (which was my intention though). There would be a lot of information regarding theese middiles - you would perhaps even be informed about it's rough direction or in any case you would be able to guess it's target far before it reaches it, so it would be more of a GTFO weapon, that you would use against massed static defenses or to seal off portions of the map (players would be more reluctant to staying in theese areas due to radiation). There would ofcourse also be means to stop nukes while they are in the air, and that is where we suggested that jet planes - if they were included - would be the only ones capable of taking them down, much like they did with V2 rockets in the war. Perhaps other units would be able to hit them too but with limited effect.

    Anyways, nukes will not be in open beta and only, if ever, in the final version.
     
  16. RiotZ

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    D:

    You said Jet Fighters were used to shoot down V-2's, Germany was the only nation with those units at the time, weren't they?
     
  17. Fingolfin

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    Hmm.. anyway I could help you in making this project?? It looks real good.. Btw Does the planes use the feature to "auto-bomb" when you pass an enemy unit.. there was a game that planes automatically drop bombs and shoot using the turrets on it.. forgot the name of that game, oh and the tanks use same feature, the tanks and planes dont have the attack button. same with other AA batteries..
     
  19. Fingolfin

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    Whenever you launch a plane, it will be ordered to drop at the target location, but if you order them to move somewhere before they reach there, you will have to order them to drop manually. Dive bombers will automatically fire at anything that comes close to them though.

    If you re a good player, perhaps you can test with us - we are only going to do two or three more tests before we release, and we want to do this on full house with both theatres.
     
  20. Kanadaj

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    If I say I'm not into WW2 games it's not even close to what I feel, but when I saw this map I felt an urgent need to play on it LoL