WARCRAFT III: REFORGED RELEASES ON JANUARY 28, 2020

[MasterHaosis]

I'll even buy Regorged

I did!
I cannot start World Editor, cannot play with Reforged models, just classic, but I will be fine Seems that game works well!

 

[Venombite]

@MasterBlaster if it's not a bother can you give me a screenshot of a Gyrocopter in blue color. I'm interested is it ridden by a Dwarf or a Gnom, I don't know what's gotten into me with these Goblins and Gnomes.

The only thing I can offer in return, again is rep, but I'm just asking.

 

[MasterBlaster]

@MasterBlaster if it's not a bother can you give me a screenshot of a Gyrocopter in blue color. I'm interested is it ridden by a Dwarf or a Gnom, I don't know what's gotten into me with these Goblins and Gnomes.

If you meant the Flying Machine, here it is:

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I took a closer look at it - it has this animation where the pilot stands up and you can see him better. Looks like a Dwarf to me.

Anyway, here's the animation:

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[stein123]

Gnome head, dwarven body

 

[Venombite]

If you meant the Flying Machine, here it is:

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I took a closer look at it - it has this animation where the pilot stands up and you can see him better. Looks like a Dwarf to me.

Anyway, here's the animation:

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Thanks! Yeah I meant Flying Maschine. And yes, it definitely looks like a Dwarf.

Gnome head, dwarven body

More like a Dwarf that visits a Gnomish hairdresser.

 

[deepstrasz]

Gnome head, dwarven body

My thoughts exactly.
The head is typical of WoW gnomes.

 

[MasterHaosis]

@deepstrasz @Venombite @MasterBlaster I got this PM by their support.

SO, this is not official but there is chance that we do not get any patch at all

 

[loktar]

1.32 will definitely be released for classic when Reforged is released. Classic and Reforged will always be on the same patch once Reforged is out, otherwise they can't play together in MP.
That PM just means there won't be any new beta patches for Reforged (like the 1.32 beta there is now), so when Reforged is out, 1.32 will get a final release (for classic too).

 

[MasterBlaster]

That PM doesn't mean anything.

The support representative said that she/he doesn't know anything about patch plans, which makes perfect sense - support folks aren't there to talk about the future, but to help people with issues with currently available products. Thus, they don't need to know anything about unannounced stuff. And even if they did, they can't talk about it. Like, come on - if you could get "secret" information by writing support tickets, everyone would do it and then what's the point of announcements? None.

But back to the message - it's just this person's opinion, i.e. the same kind of speculation that we can do here. And I totally get where she/he is coming from - launching patches requires some work too, so it would make sense for devs to decide to just focus on the actual release build instead. That's reasonable.

That said, personally I think that we will see 1-2 more beta patches before release.

 

[MasterHaosis]

That PM doesn't mean anything.

Like I stated already. I said there is ,,chance", not that this is for sure.

Like, come on - if you could get "secret" information by writing support tickets, everyone would do it and then what's the point of announcements? None.

But who said that this is secret anyway? They promised ,,aggressive patching" and nothing happened. Literally. Maybe it is common knowledge there, not secret. Announcement is for seal something there, as for now statements are subjects to change. Remember that date was 31. officially, then they changed it in last moment. Now we are promised massive patching, and it changed as well. So maybe those guys actually know something because they heard something regarding patches, which actually can be changed too. That is not secret anymore as there is everything subject to be changed (except released date now as it would be weird to be delayed twice). That is Blizzard now.

@loktar haha LOKTAR OGAR MY WARRIOR!
Loktar has spoken! +rep for you man

 

[MasterBlaster]

Like I stated already. I said there is ,,chance", not that this is for sure.

That chance was always there, though - the answer you got from the support representative doesn't change anything in that regard.

But who said that this is secret anyway?

The fact that we don't know about it?

They promised ,,aggressive patching"

No, they didn't promise anything - they said that they "expect to patch aggresively". That's not a promise, that's a prediction.

Maybe it is common knowledge there, not secret.

Except the person literally told you that they find out stuff when we do.

Anyway, let's entertain your idea - how do you think a support person would get that information? It's obviously not getting shared via official channels, because that's not something that the support staff needs to know. Random chatter during lunch break? Good luck with that, considering that the support staff and devs likely don't work in the same office, perhaps even building. Company wide gossip? Unlikely, considering Reforged is obviously a small side project. And then there's also the fact that the support person that you contacted works in their EU support team, not the US one, so the information had to also cross the ocean.

But even if it was "common knowledge" there - which again, I very much doubt that it is - it's still an internal thing, so why would they tell a random customer writing a ticket? They're a corporation, my dude. They have people who control which information get shared with the public and when. And they have internal rules that surely include some guidelines for their support staff as to what they are allowed to share with the customers.

And call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that sharing any internal information, even if it's "common knowledge" and "internal gossip" with customers is against those rules. And I doubt that the marketing/PR guys who control the flow of information would be happy that a random support person made their job harder, because he shared some information that he wasn't even supposed to know. Especially if that information is something that could put the company and/or the product in a negative light.

Like, come on, man... If a support agent told you something that's relevant and you spread that information around, he'd probably get in trouble. Perhaps even lose his job as - maybe you don't know this - support folks usually aren't very high in the corporate structure and are pretty replaceable. So why risk it? Because some internet stranger asked nicely? Nah, dude...

Remember that date was 31. officially, then they changed it in last moment.

Oh, I think the devs (and the higher ups) knew that Reforged was going to be delayed a lot earlier than it was announced and the reason why we only heard about it at the very last moment was... PR. Perhaps they wanted to see how custom games are doing (spoiler: pretty well, actually) or wait for the Christmas rush... Whatever it was, I very much doubt that the moment when they've announced the delay wasn't consulted with their PR department. If I'm right, it only proves my previous point that any information we get from Blizzard isn't just some random person deciding to tell us something, but a corporate machine making a decision to reveal it.

Now we are promised massive patching, and it changed as well.

Just for the record - I think that the fact that there was no "aggressive patching" is actually a VERY GOOD sign for Reforged, because at least in my personal experience custom games actually work pretty well. Probably better than what the devs expected. So the most likely reason that there were no extra patches is that they weren't needed, which means that the devs likely spend their last work days of the year polishing some stuff instead of heavy bug fixing. And that's good.

 

[Venombite]

@MasterHaosis, I agree with @MasterBlaster here. Do not expect them to tell you anything that's not on the official site, or in an official statement. They just said that they think these things are possible, and pretty much anyone could have told you that. If they told you those stuff, than it would become official(Blizzard's statement). And Blizzard will not give any statements, untill they are 100% sure in it.

 

[MasterHaosis]

@Venombite @MasterBlaster thank you guys for those points. This is why I brought this discussion here. I am sorry that I cannot provide better informations because this is all I just got as i am daily talking to them. And this is all I got so far. I do not see point in any more discussion with them regarding this.
@MasterBlaster just small corrections

The fact that we don't know about it?

Oh but in reality we do not know many things in life as we need to learn constantly, grow more mature and experienced. This aint secret, just we did not learned/saw/experienced it yet. But this one may be secret, company secret which few people maybe know about.

And then there's also the fact that the support person that you contacted works in their EU support team, not the US one, so the information had to also cross the ocean.

Excuse me, this is internet era. Informations are not spreaded in bottle letters or via ships anymore across the ocean. You write me message from USA, I got it in moment or when I see this. There is nothing ,,online" to cross the ocean. Even if that is case here, I forgot to set that I am from Europe, it writes that I am from US region. But perhaps they know where from I am because of internet address or whatever...

And call me crazy,

Why? We are just having normal conversations about ,,options and possibilities" that is what they wrote to me. Something may happen or may not. We are discussing it.

Like, come on, man... If a support agent told you something that's relevant and you spread that information around, he'd probably get in trouble. Perhaps even lose his job as - maybe you don't know this - support folks usually aren't very high in the corporate structure and are pretty replaceable. So why risk it? Because some internet stranger asked nicely? Nah, dude...

Oh I know it, but I did not included his name in screenshot. I wanted to prevent jeopardizing him for any case for that very reason. Of course that ticket there can be viewed by their superiors, but I believe nothing is harmful here.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I am sorry that I cannot provide better informations because this is all I just got as i am daily talking to them

No one expects anyone here to provide any information - we're all in the same boat here, just waiting for whatever Blizzard decides to tell us

Even if that is case here, I forgot to set that I am from Europe, it writes that I am from US region. But perhaps they know where from I am because of internet address or whatever...

Well, then perhaps you contacted their US support.

Still, about crossing the ocean - the issue isn't that they can't share that information, but that I find it rather unlikely that people who work in the US know people who work in the EU enough to care about letting them know what they're gossiping about around the office.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Well, then perhaps you contacted their US support.

Oh, but does it matter actually?
When you contact Ford dealer, of course you have to contact European Ford as their cars differ from US ones due to different regulations and such. But this is game, same for everyone, same product for us, Americans, Chinese and even Antarcica if someone plays there. I d onot know for what reason would they separate that and have those sub groups for such questions.

Still, about crossing the ocean - the issue isn't that they can't share that information, but that I find it rather unlikely that people who work in the US know people who work in the EU enough to care about letting them know what they're gossiping about around the office.

Oh, I though they got general tips, hints, informations and such. When I was moderator, we had moderator's lobby, place only for moderators to discuss stuff stuff. Perhaps administrators had theirs to discus the most important stuff. So, I could know generally all drama happened in site, but did not care to read it all. So i could miss stuff, but I was obligated to visit it often. In my region about Map section however, we had to know exactly what is going on, to be able to deal with situations and be updated. So, regardless from our locations worldwide, we had same stuff to read and care about. Only different timelines and such. So, I assume that Blizzard, as more complex organization, regarding Reforged has support team with similar data, informations ,,leaks" and such as it does not matter where you or people are from until talk about same product.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Oh, but does it matter actually?

Yes, I've explained that above.

I d onot know for what reason would they separate that and have those sub groups for such questions

Oh, I don't know... maybe it's because people talk in different languages and live in different timezones, so there's a natural need for different support teams?

When I was moderator, we had moderator's lobby, place only for moderators to discuss stuff stuff.

If you're talking about channels for internal communication - yes, they obviously have that in one way or another.

Blizzard, as more complex organization, regarding Reforged has support team with similar data, informations ,,leaks" and such as it does not matter where you or people are from until talk about same product.

Blizzard is a corporation. And as far as I'm aware, corporations tend to be compartmentalized, i.e. they have separate teams that deal with various operations and work on a need-to-know basis. Thus, while I can definetely see them having some channels of internal communication, I think most of them are limited to a particular team, i.e. for instance the EU support has their own channel that's separate from the one that the US team has.

So - no, I don't think they have some global communication channel where everyone can talk to each other.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Oh, I don't know... maybe it's because people talk in different languages and live in different timezones, so there's a natural need for different support teams?

This can be one of reasons yes.

So - no, I don't think they have some global communication channel where everyone can talk to each other.

Oh, you know that they also have various ranks as well. Almost always I was talking with Game Masters. But once ,,Specialist Game Master" approached me.

 

[Venombite]

@MasterBlaster another small thing. Can you give me an ingame screenshot of the Satyr buildings(Corrupted Ancients) in green color and below the Night Elf equivalent in blue color. Can you use test map button, so that the butterflies would appear? I just wanna see how different are they and are they just recolors.

Again +rep is the only thing I can give in return, but I'm just asking.

 

[MasterBlaster]

@Venombite - no problem:

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As you can see, definetely not just recolors.

--- EDIT: Forgot about the Moon Well ---

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[MasterHaosis]

That water in moonwell should be corrupted as well.

 

[MasterBlaster]

That water in moonwell should be corrupted as well.

That's actually my fault, because was being lazy I just swapped a skin on a regular moon well - corrupted one doesn't have blue water.

 

[MasterHaosis]

That's actually my fault, because was being lazy I just swapped a skin on a regular moon well - corrupted one doesn't have blue water.

Which one does it have? Green?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Which one does it have? Green?

It looked to me like it has no water at all, but the bottom of the well is covered in some green substance. Not sure if it's intended or just not finished.

 

[Venombite]

I'm not sure about one thing. If you don't buy Reforged, you still get patch 1.32, but you won't be able to play with reforged graphics? But you're game will be updated to (probablly bugged a lot) 1.32, and you'll need Battle.net to launch it, but you won't have the access to reforged gaphics, "redone" campaigns, melee skins etc....

Does anyone here know?

 

[kyle18]

I wonder what will happen to people who play with "warcraft 3 classic" and who are in maps with the skins of the buildings of Dalaran, Lordaeron or Silvermoon which were added with Reforged.

These skins do not exist in the base game, will they be invisible or bugged for these players?

 

[deepstrasz]

Lune-d'Argent

Da wat m8?
Good thing they didn't also Frenchified Lordaeron.

 

[Zwiebelchen]

Do they really release this without TESH implementation? Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
And seriously, how hard is it to implement proper syntax highlighting in the first place?

Coding without syntax highlighting is a thing of the C64 era, not 2020.


I was really looking forward to tinkering around with the new editor, checking out all the cool new stuff and UI additions, but this really bothers me and will be a huge showstopper for me that prevents me from jumping right back into serious mapping.

 

[kyle18]

Da wat m8?
Good thing they didn't also Frenchified Lordaeron.

Oops, corrected x3

 

[Venombite]

@MasterBlaster do chaos orcs have different buildings than melee orcs? Maybe some screenshots of some units(peon, gurnt, raider, kodobeast, warlock, Blademaster, Grom) in purple next to orc equivalents in red, if you have time/it's not a bother. I really don't want to make this a habit, cause I don't really have anything to offer in return(apart for some rep), but honestly by now you're promoting Reforged more than Blizzard does.

 

[MasterBlaster]

@MasterBlaster do chaos orcs have different buildings than melee orcs?

Aside from this - nope.

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Maybe some screenshots of some units(peon, gurnt, raider, kodobeast, warlock, Blademaster, Grom) in purple next to orc equivalents in red

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[deepstrasz]

Maybe some screenshots of some units(peon, gurnt, raider, kodobeast, warlock, Blademaster, Grom) in purple next to orc equivalents in red

What's with the colour fetish?

 

[Venombite]

What's with the colour fetish?

Colors they use in Campaigns.

Aside from this - nope.

Thanks! Although the Burrow might be an indicator that they are on the way, just aren't implemented yet, or hidden like High/Blood Elf skins.