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Warcraft 3 patch wish list

Discussion in 'Patch & Reforged Discussion' started by Ezekiel12, Sep 12, 2014.

  1. deepstrasz

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    I've linked the thread and your post. HIVE shows the link as the thread regardless.
     
  2. Death Adder

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    Oh a lot of orders are missing in GUI. One that come off the top of my head (that doesn't even have an order string either) is Wand of Illusion, you need to look up what it's integer is and use jass/custom script.
     
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    I think abilities like Ensnare and Slow should last less on transport units like Ships and Zeppelins because they can contain troops and destroying them in the right place might mean killing more than 1 unit.
     
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    This reminded me, I really hope blizzard will add a way to adjust how effective stuns and other crowd control effects are. Like Tenacity in League of legends, as well as being able to simply make whatever unit you want immune to stuns etc (ideally you could modify what effects, like perhaps immune to stun, but not to sleep, etc.)

    For example, if you want to have some kind of Boss unit that won't just get stun-locked or give it some special attack/channel that can't be interrupted (I think it's called Super Armor in fighting games.)


    As it is, abilities already have a duration field against units & heroes, so you can kinda do it a bit. (There's that resistant skin or w/e the ability is called to allow units to count as heroes for the CC duration.) The other more realistic (but much more difficult & time consuming) approach is to trigger every single ability...



    Another thing, which I can't remember if I already said before or not; being able to make units ignore issued orders. Currently what you have to do is re-issue orders to override any player-issued orders. Which means that the player(s) can just spam click and the unit(s) will get stuck because of being issued conflicting orders over and over again.

    They fixed this in SC2, so hopefully they can do it for wc3 as well.
     
  5. deepstrasz

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    There's a unit action, in the latest patch, called interrupt attack but I'm not sure what it actually does. Try it.
     
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    Is there a way to play the same sound without it waiting to finish if set as a different variable? If not, please add the option for it. I'm playing the sound (as different variables) at different locations too.
     
  7. Death Adder

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    It would be nice if the Berserk ability (Orc - Headhunter morph/berserker upgrade unit) was fixed.

    There's no %dmg reduction abilities besides the pierce, spell, and magic ones (defend, elune's grace, spell resistance, and such.) The only which can block any damage is Hardened Skin, but it only work against auto attacks and it's a specific number rather than a percentage.

    However, Berserk actually has the ability to increase the damage a unit takes by a %, so I had the idea to simply use Berserk with a negative value to make a temporary damage reduction ability instead. But for some reason will any negative value (even -0.01) make the unit take 0 damage, maybe it even heals? I don't remember exactly...


    Anyway, while it's quite simple to use a DDS these days so it's not really needed, it would be nice... Maybe some new abilities could be added with %dmg reduction/increase as well.
     
  8. deepstrasz

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    Hey, searched this and the native list thread and didn't find anything related to the height of lightnings (action-trigger). Would be lovely to have that for GUI.
     
  9. deepstrasz

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    Will we get the option to add more than 5 hero abilities per hero please?

    heroAbilities5max.png

    courtesy of @Imperator
     
  10. Death Adder

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    A fairly small thing, but afaik you can't set the minimum number of the barrage passive ability (used for multishot/splitshot) to less than 3, so it goes from 1 target (without barrage) to 3 targets (with barrage at minimum number of extra targets) instead of 1, 2, 3, etc.


    And speaking of barrage, it gets overridden by pretty much every orb effect and buff placer or w/e it's called again, except for searing arrows (iirc)—which reminded me of orb effects not stacking in general. It would be nice to be able to have orb effects stack (optionally), and buff placers like crit, poison, stun as well.


    Also... Lightning Orb & Slow Orb don't cast spells unless you order the unit to attack or attack move, so if the unit was just idling before acquiring a target; it will never proc lightning orb/slow orb's effect.


    Below information is copied from warcraft 3 ability guide: The Warcraft III Ability Guide - Wc3C.net

    AIdf, AIll, AIsb (Black Arrow Attack Bonus, New Lightning Orb, Slowness Orb): These orb abilities all have the effect ability field, which lets you specify any unit targeted ability as effect ability. This means that the ability will automatically be cast on the target of an attack depending on a certain chance that can be specified. If the chance is set to 100 it will be cast for each attack that doesn't miss the target. If one of these abilities is added as unit ability, the effect ability will automatically appear as a passive ability on the unit's command card. Unfortunately you can't get rid of the icon. The only way to have no icon is using an invisible channel spell as effect ability, but this will only allow you to add a visual effect to the attacks but not real ability effect. The index of the enabled attack should be set to 0 if you don't want to enable ranged attacks for melee units. Due to a bug the ability won't be cast when the target was automatically acquired by the unit, even if the chance is 100 percent. Orbs are generally pretty useful to attach effects, change the missiles of units and to enable attacks. While we're at arrow abilities, 'ANia' (Incinerate Arrow) always uses the default values of 'Anic' (Incinerate), no matter how you try to change them, so it's only possible to have on ability of that type in a map.

    Aroc (Barrage): Barrage allows unit to attack several targets with one attack and therefore it can be used for multishot abilities. The bonus damage field must be set to at least 1, because 0 will cause serious problems. Each target will be dealt the normal damage of the unit's attack and the amount of bonus damage specified here. The number of targets is 1 plus the maximum number of targets field of barrage. The projectile art field can have more than 1 entry and will override the default projectile of the unit. The art for each shot will be chosen at random from this list. The area of effect is the range for the additional attacks. This doesn't affect the main attack, only the extra attacks granted by barrage. Also set the maximum possible damage field to 0 if you don't want to limit the damage dealt. Unfortunately combining barrage with other attack enhancing abilities is pretty difficult. Many of them will completely eliminate the effect of barrage like all arrow abilities on autocast except AHfa (Searing Arrows) and many orb abilities. Orb abilities that do have an effect ability field only disable barrage when this effect ability comes into action. All other abilities like critical strike slow poison, freezing breath, lightning attack, liquid fire and similar spells pretty much work with barrage but will always only affect the main target and never the additional barrage targets. Basic enhancements like damage bonus, attack speed bonus and the like however will affect all targets. The AHfa (Searing Arrows) spell is very special. It's the only arrow ability that works with barrage and it even reenables barrage on autocast if it was disabled by an incompatible orb ability allowing to create an autocastable multishot ability.
     
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    A small thing - it'd be quite helpful if there was a possibility to set the aura buff duration time to any time instead of it always being 4 seconds.
     
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    Oh right, you mean the update time/tick rate or whatever it's called, right?

    I recall reading about how Dota got around the problem with auras with periodic event and checking whether units are out of range. It would be nice if auras just updated more frequently, or if you could change it like with Immolation.

    Which reminds me, that's another workaround; To use dummy permanent immolations and add the buff/debuffs with triggers. Oh right it's even used for hit detection in some missile system...


    Anyway, so being able to change the interval/update rate/whatever would be really nice as all kinds of uses of immolation has already proven.
     
  13. Retera

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    I made my wish list in a PDF and here it is.
     

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  14. Tommi Gustafsson

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    Does this make it possible to have new custom races in melee games?
     
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    I think this list needs to be updated because it has new viable suggestions: new Additions, Fundamental (the name is not correct) and little effort I think.
     
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    That's the entire point. It would be slightly technical, but as long as they add this behavior to the game, it would become actually possible. You could also potentially play any custom races against each other, by checking the boxes for their respective mods, so long as a few standards were set by the modding community to ensure interoperability. Specifically, the map or the Mods, whichever JASS file was loaded first, would need to provide a function that the one loaded secondly could call to register itself. So, the map might offer a "RegisterCustomRace" function if it was loaded first. This would ensure the Mod could inform the map which units to create, or what function to call, for players using that race on startup.

    Edit: Likewise, you could have a hero arena map with 10 Hero Arena Mods that added differing possible new heroes. In that case, each mod would probably call "RegisterArenaHero", a function from the base map, to inform the map of the mod's added heroes and their Unit IDs. That's why the GetGlobalRawcodeId native would exist, to allow the mod to covert Unit IDs local to the mod code into Map "global" Unit IDs that only existed while the game was running, and included IDs from all loaded mods
     
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  17. Mister_Haudrauf

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    One general Question: Does Blizzard Entertainment really look at this Specific thread? Do they actually take the users wishes in consideration?
    Seeing Reteras Comment (i have a similar wish) i really hope that they do.

    I know that this sounds pessimistic, but i don't see any indicator that they do keep an eye at this specific thread.

    If i am mistaken, then please correct me there.
     
  18. Napoqe

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    The topic post is abandoned, some authority and collaborator should replace the current creator of the topic, analyze, take decisions, etc in the topic post.
     
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  19. Tommi Gustafsson

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    The Mods is a very good initiative, which Blizzard should consider. It should support at least the following use cases:
    1. Adding a whole custom race to melee games
    2. Adding a new hero to hero arenas
    3. Adding a new tavern hero to melee games
    4. Adding a new hero to existing melee races
    5. Adding a new unit, building, item, or upgrade to existing melee races
    6. Change the content of neutral buildings in melee games, such as tavern heroes, shop items, and mercenaries
    7. Change existing melee races
    So, it would be good for mods to support large use cases, such as whole races, but also very small use cases, such as adding a single hero or a single unit to existing races.

    Do people have other use cases for Mods?
     
  20. Retera

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    I realized after I said it that it will be disliked by people who protect their maps unless Blizzard adds an option for maps to "disable Mods".

    Can't have too much modding, or else it would turn into Minecraft.