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Somewhere Across Nowhere

Author(s)
deepstrasz
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Escape / Maze / Slide, Miscellaneous / Other, Medieval / Warcraft
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Jul 14, 2016
Updated
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Description

The player has to pass Illidan through a series of trials in this multi-genre map (maze, puzzle, traps, fights, running and whatnot).
(I like to call it an action-puzzle game. Players have to think fast, employ their clicking reflexes, interact with units, items, doodads and terrain, be attentive to any kinds of details like colours, text, glitters and more.)

My inspiration for this creation, apart from the many Warcraft III maps & campaigns the Hive community has to offer, are also: Tomb Raider (heavily), God of War, Prince of Persia, Legacy of Kain series as well as Pyjamarama and the Legend of Kyrandia series. Of course, the so many Nintendo games must not be forgotten.




It is recommended to play on the second or first difficulty to get the hang of the game.

Easy - Waypoint/respawn system like on Normal but Illidan has bonus hit points, traps deal less damage and their timers increased.

Normal - No defeat condition. Illidan will be revived in certain points and some previously accomplished parts will not have to be redone. Hints are more detailed. Saving and loading also works. Hints appear after a short time when the player wanders in the same place.

Hard - Dying ends the game in defeat. Saving and loading is required to progress. Writing -hint in the chat gives information about the current puzzle in some places. This also works on Easy.


Credits
Blizzard Entertainment for making Warcraft III and its editor
The Hive Workshop for keeping the map in its database

BB code: BB Codes | HIVE
Aesthetics' loading screen tutorial:Simple Loading Screen
Vexorian's Optimizer: Default Wc3mapoptimizer 5.0
Ladik's MPQ Editor: Ladik's MPQ Editor 32bit
Shadow Daemon's BLP Lab: BLP Lab v0.5.0


Kuhneghetz's Riderless Undead Horse
Kuhneghetz's Death Knight On Foot
Storm_hih's Himalayan Yeti
Thrikodius' Shadow Dragon
Alpain's Rune Golem



Arowanna's Green Dragon Devour



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Other Notes

[box] Use "whosyourdaddy" at your own risk because it can ruin the level's progression (some triggers just kill Illidan instantly, some enemy units must not die etc.); "iseedeadpeople" might create some problems. Save the game from time to time if you desire to cheat.

Just to avoid scandalous questions: the music was composed by deepstrasz; the item icons and the troll skin were edited by the map's creator using Warcraft III original material. The loading screen image was taken from the Warcraft III manual.[/box]
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Soundtrack


Walkthrough
Starting Room (with Arthas, coins & troll):
Here, Illidan has to look for gold coins, spot them and keep his distance from Arthas. There is quite plenty of room to move but that doesn't mean coins can be taken in one trip towards their destination. The room has to be trod from east to west multiple times in order to keep the distance from Arthas and be able to get the coins without him cutting Illidan's escape. There are many walls in that room which Arthas will have to circumvent in order to reach his target and they also block Illidan's vision.
Once the coins are gathered, the Potion of Levitation must be bought from the troll and used in the western part of the room where the level begins (glinting place). Always keep an eye for glittering things as they are the highlighted pathway. Make Illidan use the potion there, near the runes/sparkles.

Levitation Room (frost & spike traps):
Illidan has only 20 seconds to get to a safe point before the timer expires (that might catch him falling into a trap or back to Arthas where he will have to gather coins again or be killed by the nemesis). Be careful, the traps deal quite the damage, some even slow down the character's movement. Watch the timing of the traps.

Room of Doors (Arthas speeding up & levers plus rocks):
The player will be advised to make multiple save files and save often (on normal). Illidan should follow the troll's path (to the east/right) and hurry as to not be attacked by the chasing Arthas. In this room, doors must be opened and closed using the levers that have to be quickly spotted and hit. When reaching the four levers and the frost traps, think of a pattern to not waste time hitting the levers (the order doesn't matter; for instance: first the northern [left/west], then southern [left/west], southern right and northern right). Also, be sure to take the Ice Boulder that's in the middle of the frost traps fire zone and use it on Arthas to stun him. Then, quickly make way to the switch and step on it. While Arthas will be busy taking the doors down, Illidan will have to find a way to open the other doors around him.
There are rock chunks that are hiding coloured stones (items). These need to be placed on their respective coloured switch. Once all rocks are on their respective switches, the doors will open. Head north towards the lowering gate, where the pink fire braziers are (they highlight the path).

Left/west Tunnels (Illidan shrinked, rotating glaives, death circles, Yeti, fire traps & penguin):
Head a bit north, watch out for the movement of the glaives, then head west. There are more glaive corridors to pass through. Once the circles are reached make sure Illidan only gets on them while they are yellow. Don't mind the Yeti, get farther west, watch out for the two glaives that have their speed reduced once in some seconds (you might want to pass then). Reach the portal and take the penguin into the inventory. Then watch out for the other two horizontally rotating glaives. Go left/west, step on the switch to activate the fire traps near the Yeti and return there.
Put the frozen penguin on one of the black runes where the fire activates and let it thaw. Watch out, don't let the fire burn the penguin afterwards because Illidan'll have to get a frozen one from the portal again. The Yeti will come to hit the penguin after its ice melts. Don't let it do that. Instead trick the Yeti to come to the penguin to catch fire (careful with the fire pattern). Don't get inside the fire zones with the thawed penguin inside the inventory as the Yeti will attack Illidan. The creature will have to catch fire a number of times before it'll die. Once dead, take the key it leaves behind and go (with the penguin too) east and then north to the door (watch out for the glaive & circles movement pattern).

Mid Tunnels (fire, scarabs, traps from behind & switches):
If Illidan steps into the fire to his left, he dies. To the right/east of that fire, there's a scarab. Follow it quickly and then get to safety between two walls as another scarab will come from behind. The scarabs will clash and explode. Next head east to the switch and then quickly, without stopping, to the next switch on the right. If there is any reason to get back east, be sure to remember the trap direction pattern is activated by the currently lowered switch.

Eastern Tunnels (glaives, death circles, many other traps, runes, "lasers", giant, statue etc.):
Here, there are death circles and glaives on the same path. Be sure to see the wall carvings to get there to safety. Wait for the glaive's being out of the way and the yellow circle's appearance to synchronize and head to the middle of the cross shaped hub. There the glaives will just go around Illidan when passing but not kill him.
Next, head west, watch the glaive and circle patterns and then go south to the frost traps. Don't hurry as visibility is low until walking up the ramp. Put the penguin into the fire zone of a trap to freeze it and then take it. Go north and then to the right in the room where black wisps are. Carefully go through the zone delimited by them (don't touch them as they kill Illidan) and press the switch while having the frozen penguin on. Quickly get back to the red shield (Big Bad Voodoo) effect to avoid certain death that comes in some good seconds.
Don't hurry out the red shield as there are traps on the corridor that force the player to go in one direction. Watch their pattern and go north after them.
After following through the square edged spiral, get past the circles and wait a moment to watch the pattern of the next appearing and disappearing glittering traps. There's also a lever there. That's to reverse the black traps Illidan followed previously and the nearby circles mechanism. There's a space in the left/eastern wall. Illidan needs to get there and from there south to the switch to press it (again with the frozen penguin in his inventory).
Once the switch is pressed, return to the room where the wisps were. Take the Ignited Boots (that are in the fire; wait for it to extinguish) with the frozen penguin on. Then head south to the frozen traps and cool the boots by placing them in one of the zones of the frost traps. Be careful not to let the Cooled Boots freeze afterwards as they will need to be cooled again north, where the fire from which Illidan first took them is.
Head to the eastern part of this big region by passing through the central hub. Once there, go north where the four switches and the giant are. Be sure to quickly enter and let the giant follow Illidan to step on the switches in a sign of the cross manner (first one is the one in the north, second is the one in the south and the other two on the left and right are interchangeable). Quickly get out after all the switches are lowered and head south to the runes (now the barrier protecting the poles and runes is down).
Watch their glitters (the last move is the one in the center) and step on them in the corresponding order (as shown by the glints). Step on one, get off it and circle around to step on another and so on. The rune animations are only there to help show the pattern, they are not to be synchronized with Illidan's stepping on them. After the pattern has been correctly followed, Illidan will be in the middle surrounded by lasers. Be careful how one of the Laser Poles is taken in the inventory to not be burned by one of the beams. Then, the poles must be put in a pattern on the circular tiles, the first of which is the one the glaives are circling. The second is the one just south of the entrance to the giant's chambers. Make sure the lasers are connected to the generator.
After this, the magic barrier on the gate south of the corridor hub will disappear. Get back west to the frozen traps (the glaives and circles are not active anymore). Get south past the traps. Place the frozen penguin on the switch and wait for the statue to charge. Wait for it to go and smash the gate. Take the penguin and go through the door.

Water Basins (golems & Arthas chasing again):
Head south to the big circle to become normal again. Then, walk up the ramp and quickly take the big golem and put it on its corresponding spot that mirrors its current spot. Hastily, get the two smaller ones in the inventory and place them on their corresponding spots (memorize which of the two was first taken so you'll know where it should be placed). Next, cross the platform and again take the big golem and place it on its corresponding place. Next, the medium sized one and lastly the small one (be careful that here the spots are not exactly mirrored but slightly crosswise).

Frost Mountains (Arthas, Maiev, Orb of Froustmourne, Ancient & Altar):
Run south towards the ice blockade. Wait for Arthas to come closer and watch as he is "killed" by Maiev who then blinks away. Take the orb that Maiev leaves on the snow and destroy the blockade. Next, Illidan will have to destroy a corrupted Ancient. Be sure not to get hit by its attacks and not to let treants clutter (they also restore a little of Illidan's life upon dying). Basically, it's dodge and hit. After the Ancient is destroyed, Illidan has to leave the orb in an Altar of Ancients to the west for the gates to open. Watch the cinematic scene or skip it. Get through the Way Gate.

Portals Zone (stalker, circles, even more circles):
Now, here you'll have to keep a good eye on the green circles. Don't step on any blue circles or the pattern will reset. Try to be near the center of the pattern zone to make it easier to get to them in time. Also, mind the ghastly beast as it can make Illidan step on the wrong circle (use Hold Position when needed). There are two patterns. After completing them get back to the target spot of the Way Gate where the glittering runes are and get to the next zone.
Here, the circles have to be turned all into green so Illidan can be able to get back towards the teleportation site. Turning one of the circles to a different colour than green, the gate will raise and block the way out. There is not much time to think about it since the monster is on Illidan's tail. Either using a real paper to discover the pattern after seeing how many colour changes are from green to green or by following this: first go to the third circle (south), then through the first (north), then again through the third, then through the first, again step on the third and then on the second (middle); walk on the third, the first and lastly on the third and second. Done. Escape to the runes.
In this next zone, go south and look for the strange crystal. Then, watch the red circles patterns and step only on the black ones.

Boulders Corridors (pillars & runic tiles):
With the crystal Illidan needs to get close to the pillars on the right and left of each corridor that will activate. Watch out for the boulders. They will change their path from horizontal to vertical after each of the two pairs of pillars are activated.

Sunken Basin (water rising, runic tiles again):
Here, absolute care not to step on the wrong runic tiles or otherwise there will be no more time to complete the pattern. The War Stomp effect means wrong, the Thunder Clap effect means right. The rune pairs in the previous room (where the boulders were) help to decipher the puzzle. The rune on the southern ramp means that's how the first rune in the water looks while the one on the northern ramp shows the last rune in the water of the pattern.

Antidote Room (damage per second to Illidan, seals, weed & tuskarr):
Meet the troll that's going to ask for something. Give him the crystal so that Illidan will get a potion. Use this potion so that the troll will disappear and quickly go east to find something to heal as the potion gives a sickness.
Head east through the seals then north and then west. Get the weed then head east and south down the ramp and then west to the next weed. Get back on the ramp and head east then south for the third weed. Then, head back, cross the bridge and a bit south to cross the parallel bridge. Go east, a bit south, get the weed and cross the bridge back. Head west and then south to cross a smaller bridge. Then, go east, cross the bridge to the east and head south and get down that doodad ramp to get the next weed. Turn back and head east but don't go south the ramp but a bit more east. Head south, take the weed and turn back to the ramp to take that weed as well. Quickly, go west, cross the bridge, don't go west on the ramp. Instead go south, on the bridge and then west until reaching the ramp to the water zone. Get there and head east to the ramp, walk up, then quickly west to the last weed.
Now, get east to the tuskarr. He will turn Illidan into a seal and leave through a portal. Once through, quickly get south to the ruins before the tuskarr hunters kill Illidan.

Levitation Rooms (walk-fly circles, various traps, elementals, pheonixes, runes etc.):
Once the gate closes, Illidan will be restored. Watch out for the arrows. The red ones hit flying units while the green hit Illidan when walking. Go east to the runic tile and step on it. Then head to the western part of the room to step on the other one. Afterwards get into the circle just north of the runic tile to fly (watch out for the fire as it kills).
Now step on all runes that are up: one is in the left upper corner, one in the right upper corner and two are in the middle of the room). Afterwards, head south through the newly opened gate. Watch the pattern of the phoenixes as they deal damage to aerial units.
Head west to the room with the huge phoenix and step on all highland runes. Don't miss the lever south of the entrance into that room (hit it). Get back and step on the circle on the right/east to walk. Get into the eastern room where the banshees are. Watch their pattern and get south to hit the two levers and return to the elementals & pheonixes room. Then, head into the southern room. Careful with the green elemental patterns and head west and then north back into the room with the huge creatures. Step on the runes and get out of the room and through the opened gate to the west.

Doppelganger Regions (demon Illidan, Gul'dan, traps, Kael, Kil'jaeden, Dragon Shield etc.):
Head south and be careful not to get too close to the red Illidan. Head east through the long corridor and then quickly south without stopping as Gul'dan will follow and kill Illidan if he touches him. In this part of the level, just be careful not to touch the red Illidan or let Gul'dan touch the real Illidan. Just have to memorize or have a quick eye to get through the cleared passages.
After reaching the end of the labyrinth, red Illidan will mirror the real I'dan's movements. Dodge the wisps and touch the green runes when they appear. The pattern of the wisps changes multiple times (be careful) every time after four runes are consumed. Also, dodge Kael's Flame Strike. When the frost traps appear, the runes (now red) will only have a healing effect on Illidan but will not damage the ganger. To hurt the doppelganger, Illidan will have to stand in one of those frost traps while the ganger does the same. After 10 hits, pursue the ganger.
Run away from him while Tharifas and the Phoenix are battling. After Tharifas dies, the Dragon Shield is dropped. Take that and use the ability it gives to reflect the demon's attacks (use the ability when the demon's projectile is about to hit Illidan). Meanwhile dodge Kael's Flame Strike and do not stay on the low ground when it turns blood red as Illidan will die. After the demon is defeated the ending scene starts.


History


  • ~2010-2011: creation started and designed/desired to be a campaign level
  • ~2014-2016 (this last one, the most): continued working on it and uploaded on the 14th of July as a standalone map due to its different gameplay mechanics
  • 11/10/2016: updated with a new difficulty option that integrates a checkpoint system (also suggested by gusanomental)
  • 18/12/2016: added two models, fixed an issue with music, edited and supplemented some dialogues & updated to the latest patch
  • 27/12/2016: minor update based on tyci's advice
  • 30/12/2016: little update after Soul Reaver's remarks
  • 05/01/2017: more hints and a command for that on Normal; reduced the damage of black wisps
  • 15/01/2017: fixed an issue reported by PrinceYaser: here and added a dialogue line
  • 20/10/2017: post#53 mostly based on tyci and Soul Reaver's remarks
  • 14/03/2018: mandatory update post#54
  • 15/03/2018: minor update (post#56) based on old_edge5's comments
  • 21/03/2018: important update (post#59) after old_edge5's video report
  • 22/03/2018: minor update (post#63) on old_edge5's comments (1 & 2)
  • 23/03/2018: mini update (post#65+post#67) based on old_edge5's feedback (+post)
  • 24/03/2018: small update (post#69) partially on old_edge5's comments
  • 29/06/2018: minor change for an imported file
  • 26/02/2019: minor changes + released an unprotected version for learning purposes (post#78)
  • 29/03/2019: minor changes based on Abishkar's comments (post #85)
  • 29/03/2019: quality of life changes based on Imperator's feedback (post #86)
  • 17/05/2019: credits revised ingame
  • 21/06/2019: Illidan has Blink now in the first room
  • 22/06/2019: edited and added some dialogues to make them less vague
  • 05/08/2019: added a third difficulty, an easier one to play on (post #92)
  • 23/07/2020: recorded a video walkthrough and made some quality of life improvements (post #109)
  • 28/01/2023: updated to patch version 1.35 (post #120)


Possible Issues


  1. -if the map doesn't start/load via the game, try installing the newest patch version
  2. -the game might crash while the level loads/starts if the video options are not set to the highest quality (thanks to Rufus for the info!)
  3. -if loading a saved game results in a crash, try loading it again; if it still doesn't work restart the .exe/game and load the save file
  4. -if you cannot see the map in the game, try shortening the filename by renaming it



Changelog


  • -Rasofe reported some bugs that have been fixed
  • -reduced the speed of some glaives and highlighted the levers in the third room when Illidan gets somewhat near them
  • -added another difficulty (easy) with checkpoints system (thanks gusanomental for the suggestion); also reduced damage of glaives and tweaked the music a bit
  • -changed a model and added another one, fixed an issue with music that suddenly randomly stopped and started over, edited and supplemented some dialogues & updated map file version to the latest patch
  • -modified some hints for Easy mode, implemented high from above camera for the tunnels, edited the tooltip of some items for the better, reduced the Yeti's HP and hound's damage and added some transmissions (thanks tyci)
  • -fixed camera clipping for the intro; added more hints, transmissions and edited item tooltips (mostly for easy mode); minor end game dialogue edits; decreased the damage range of boulders; red regeneration torches in the tunnels revamped (thanks Soul Reaver for the many remarks)
  • -added a -hint chat command for Normal mode and reduced the damage of the wisps in the tunnels
  • -fixed an issue with respawning on easy difficulty (thanks PrinceYaser for reporting) and added one transmission
  • -edited some hints, reduced some damage of things, fixed an issue with the coins, increased water filling puzzle time
  • -released unprotected version for studying purposes
  • -minor update most importantly related to Illidan not fleeing anymore while attacked
  • -some quality of life changes especially in the first room
  • -updated credits in the quest log
  • -added Blink for Illidan in the first room
  • -for further inquiries see the History section
Contents

Somewhere Across Nowhere (Map)

Author
deepstrasz
Filename
Illidan01(135).w3x
Suggested players
1
Players
1
Required game
Warcraft 3: Reforged
Recommended version
1.35
Dimensions
116x84 (128x96)
Size
13.25 MB
Uploaded
Jul 23, 2020
Updated
Jan 27, 2023
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Somewhere Across Nowhere (Map)

Author
deepstrasz
Filename
(1)SomewhereAcrossNowhere.w3x
Suggested players
1
Players
1
Required game
Warcraft 3
Recommended version
1.24a - 1.28c
Dimensions
116x84 (128x96)
Size
12.76 MB
Uploaded
Jan 27, 2023
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Kino
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Is this a well designed, well polished map? yes. Is it an enjoyable map? personally yes, kinda. Individually, I enjoyed the different challenges the map offers. I also liked how as you transitioned from one segment to the next, the brief cutscene...
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deepstrasz said:
Hmm, what do you mean? It's shown in the video :D Basically, you just have to use the southernmost fire trap to lure the Yeti by placing the thawed penguin over the trap's markings (of course the Yeti comes to the the penguin wherever it is placed in the region from that mark to the creature's place, included; you can be attacked and killed if you go in that region with the thawed penguin on you).
Ah, wait. You meant, that you've done it like that? Well, then it's easy.
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i think that new players will not go through the effort of memorizing the full trap's pattern, and that until you get to that point of memorization the challenge will be primarily frustrating. the yeti will slip through traps if you're unfamiliar with the pattern or bad at timing, the penguin will reset if its caught in a flame trap because you were good at timing but unfamiliar with the pattern, and you need to do it all right like 10 times. you remember how much you don't like snow in my game. would you feel like you were wrong about the snow mechanic having problems if you saw people experienced with snow having fun with it? i don't think the puzzle is bad, i just think that it's currently skewed too much towards experienced players, while a single player exploration game will be primarily played by novice players. i should also say that i enjoyed the first iteration of doing the puzzle: grabbing the penguin and thawing it

deepstrasz said:
Glad to know it works on it. I've saved this map with 1.27.
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yeah, it actually kept compatibility really well into HD, id say its generally more atmospheric than SD. nice work on that to you and bliz. that said, there are a few Reforged limitations that are effecting everyone to some degree at the moment. the main thing i'd say effecting this map, just since you're asking, are on certain trap VFX and a lack of save/load support. hopefully these things will be fixed soon, and i don't think they're worth compensating for before then (i definitely would keep SD and HD support, for example)
 

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Serenity09 said:
you remember how much you don't like snow in my game. would you feel like you were wrong about the snow mechanic having problems if you saw people experienced with snow having fun with it?
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Sure but the exception here is that if you die, you don't have to start the whole track over :D
Serenity09 said:
lack of save/load support.
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What do you mean by this? Detail a bit please.
 

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deepstrasz said:
Sure but the exception here is that if you die, you don't have to start the whole track over :D
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i guess its a matter of scale, the track size is longer in mine (though i did just add a checkpoint halfway on the longest stretch of snow!), but you do need to start some aspects over in both

after typing it all out, i do have a suggestion. i think it'd be fun for all skill levels if the penguin just didnt get reset when its caught in the fire. it being reset by the yeti is fine to me, because any player can see that coming

deepstrasz said:
What do you mean by this? Detail a bit please.
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wc3 doesn't currently support saving and loading anymore, it should come in a patch hopefully soon
 

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Serenity09 said:
after typing it all out, i do have a suggestion. i think it'd be fun for all skill levels if the penguin just didnt get reset when its caught in the fire. it being reset by the yeti is fine to me, because any player can see that coming
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Thanks. I guess once you pay little attention to the fire movement, you'll be able to also see that coming :D

I'm surprised this was the most annoying of all though since there are others which would fit the bar like the laser generator rune puzzle, the water basin rune puzzle and the difficult parts in the ending against the doppelganger. Oh and one of the most annoying for me is the arrows room and pheonix and lava elemental rooms.
Serenity09 said:
wc3 doesn't currently support saving and loading anymore, it should come in a patch hopefully soon
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What in the pig's den...
 

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deepstrasz said:
I'm surprised this was the most annoying of all though since there are others which would fit the bar like the laser generator rune puzzle, the water basin rune puzzle and the difficult parts in the ending against the doppelganger. Oh and one of the most annoying for me is the arrows room and pheonix and lava elemental rooms.
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i haven't made it that far yet. i'm planning to come back to try the rest after save/load has been fixed. i got stuck in the eastern tunnels behind the rotating glaive trap twice in a row (it stopped moving) and couldn't quite rally for another full reset
 

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Serenity09 said:
i got stuck in the eastern tunnels behind the rotating glaive trap twice in a row (it stopped moving) and couldn't quite rally for another full reset
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Ah darn, that sounds like a bug. Hopefully it's not due to compatibility reasons. Did you get past the door north of where you get shrunk?
Rotating glaive... you mean where those 4 spin around that small zone in the middle way past the fire-light traps that follow you?
 

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deepstrasz said:
Ah darn, that sounds like a bug. Hopefully it's not due to compatibility reasons. Did you get past the door north of where you get shrunk?
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i don't think so, getting shrunk doesn't sound familiar, and i think id remember that

deepstrasz said:
Rotating glaive... you mean where those 4 spin around that small zone in the middle way past the fire-light traps that follow you?
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yeah, that's the one
 

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i don't think so, getting shrunk doesn't sound familiar, and i think id remember that
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What? But you played in the Yeti zone. By then you are smaller in size.
Serenity09 said:
yeah, that's the one
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Ugh. I didn't have issues with that during my playthroughs and testing. Indeed last time I tested was on 1.29, I think(?).
 

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Map Name: Somewhere Across Nowhere
Author: deepstrasz
Review by: petroglyph

Story: The story is bad. I dont like how the characters speak. Kil'jaeden for example does not sound like a demon: "Good, very good Illidan". Most of the story does not make any sense. What are Kael and Kil doing inside Frsotmourne? Where are the souls of Teneras and Uther and other folks murdered by Arths?

Gameplay: Typical mobile game with minimal combat and complex mechanics.

Art: The models you imported from THW (or other websites) are good.

Score: 0 + 0 + 1 = 1 star
 

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idk man it sounds like you just wanted to be mean about a game that im not even sure why you played. do you like this mazes in general? i guess your gut feeling might be useful to know, but when you say things so harshly without trying to give reasonable insight to what you didn't like its hard to take it as anything other than mean. thats actually why im writing this

i guess you gave some reasons for story but why are you voting on story to start? im pretty sure the story was just to give you a continuous thread of why youre moving room to room, but the moving is the focus. look at the tags, its a maze/adventure/puzzle game. if you want story go play a different game, there's a ton that focus on having good story. what story were you expecting to explain why youre stuck behind a locked door being chased by a angry old white guy on a dead horse - so you start smashing rocks to discover you need to move a orange boulder onto an orange switch?

i have never played another single player maze/puzzle/exploration game in wc3. saying this one is typical is not true
 

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Hi Serenity09

I know someone else who played this map and he has also played other mazes in general. I will ask him to rate and review this map. I hope he will give 5 stars to this map because his reviews are generally positive.
 

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petroglyph said:
Map Name: Somewhere Across Nowhere
Author: deepstrasz
Review by: petroglyph

Story: The story is bad. I dont like how the characters speak. Kil'jaeden for example does not sound like a demon: "Good, very good Illidan". Most of the story does not make any sense. What are Kael and Kil doing inside Frsotmourne? Where are the souls of Teneras and Uther and other folks murdered by Arths?

Gameplay: Typical mobile game with minimal combat and complex mechanics.

Art: The models you imported from THW (or other websites) are good.

Score: 0 + 0 + 1 = 1 star
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Translation: I am mad about the Bionicle map discussion, so I will give Deepstrasz's map 1/5 stars.
Bionicle - Mask Quest v0.51
 

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I've played it last night. I really enjoyed it a lot! You did an amazing job on this one. You should further update it. Think about turning it into a series of dungeon maps all together. 5/5 from me +rep
 

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Alexen said:
You should further update it. Think about turning it into a series of dungeon maps all together.
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Hey, thanks for the good thoughts.
I intended to make a campaign starting from this map, a mixed melee-puzzle-boss battle campaign but then Reforged killed custom campaigns and I got stuck with 1.31.1 bugs.

I guess, I could do some similar maps with other Warcraft III characters and not necessarily have to put the stories from each together but leave them as stand alone within the same universe.
 

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deepstrasz said:
If you got notifications, I'm just trying to fix the description. HIVE 2 messed it up a little. Can't seem to get the stuff to be in the center for some reason.
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Use [thisatthestartCENTER] --here put your stuff -- [thenclosewiththis/CENTER] and problem solved.
 

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deepstrasz said:
That's what I'm doing. It seems that in HIVE 2 spoiler and hidden buttons can't be centered anymore.
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Indeed. Hidden stuff cannot be centered, but the content put into the magic hidden button can be centered. 😀
 

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Fine piece of work, just a few minor things which dont act in disfavor of the whole thing.
  • In the start intro Arthas is misspelling existence as existance.
  • Somethimes when you die from the frosty fountains and respawn Illidan is instantly dying from the same effect.

Keep it up, also i may help you with the hashtables in case you need assistance

Kind regards
 

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@Herohatcher thank you for the time!
I've checked the walkthrough video and I couldn't find that word. I also remember it was said by Illidan. I think I edited it at one point. Which version have you played since there's a 1.35 and 1.27 one.
Which fountains? Would you mind being more specific. When that happens, is the game "locked" to that bug or can you eventually go on?
I haven't used any hashtables as far as I remember in this map but if you meant in general, thank you for the offer.
 

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Hi deep,
I used Version 1.27. The game was not particullary disturbed by that. Illidan spawned a few meters north at the last saving point, but then instantly died again with the same special effect as from the frost fountain. I recreated the issue and made you a screenshot.
Like I mentioned before it did not impair gameplay too much. Still a five star title, even if its definately more on the hardcore side of puzzles :D

Kind regards
Felito

Screenshot: The red arrow below marks the frost fountain which led to death no.1, the circle marks location of death no. 2
Somewhere...Fountain.PNG
 

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@Herohatcher hmm, that is indeed a weird bug that I don't recall happening. Did you play the 1.27 on the latest game version or on the 1.27 patch?
I used some invisible units casting Frost Nova or some spell on Illidan when in the range of the activated frost traps. Possibly I've put the spell range too high and the casting dummies reach Illidan there near the torch and still think they should cast the ability so the character dies.
If it doesn't block/stall the game I would not want to have the pain of going through my triggers as they're insane and chaotic.
But out of curiosity, check the walkthrough (min 24 onward) part where this zone is shown and tell me if anything is happening different for you than in the recording.
Also, yeah, probably won't do a similar crazy map but who knows. I got one in the works which I haven't had the time to finish which has a small part of similar puzzles.
Thanks again!
 

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After I deal with Arthas and the doors, I can't get to the West, The game instantly teleports me to the fire and ice bettle.
 

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After I deal with Arthas and the doors, I can't get to the West, The game instantly teleports me to the fire and ice bettle.
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Strange. On which version? I'm asking because maybe in one of them (1.32+ or 1.27) I might have left some testing triggers run.
How and where does it exactly happen? Could you please film or at least screenshot the place where it happens and where you get teleported?
Does it happen every time even if you load the game somewhere and try the doors/gates zone again?
 

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deepstrasz said:
Strange. On which version? I'm asking because maybe in one of them (1.32+ or 1.27) I might have left some testing triggers run.
How and where does it exactly happen? Could you please film or at least screenshot the place where it happens and where you get teleported?
Does it happen every time even if you load the game somewhere and try the doors/gates zone again?
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It happens everytime on 1.3.1. So, before the red and blue bettle, there's an area with saws or something. Right after you deal with the 3 doors and arthas. When I step on yellow circle, it instantly teleports me to the beetle thing
 

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Fyar said:
The Classic version
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Right. I'm stupid. 1.31 can't play the 1.32+ one anyway, so, duh... Will test when I get some time for it and if the issue is reproducible, I'll try fixing. Just note that 1.31 has some load game bugs, sadly. Also, did you play on a version/difficulty that respawns you every time you die?
 

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deepstrasz said:
Right. I'm stupid. 1.31 can't play the 1.32+ one anyway, so, duh... Will test when I get some time for it and if the issue is reproducible, I'll try fixing. Just note that 1.31 has some load game bugs, sadly. Also, did you play on a version/difficulty that respawns you every time you die?
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No, I played on Normal.
 

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Some may grasp this, while others might not, but the creativity usage of the Warcraft III world editor makes it a work of art.
Initially, I struggled with this map but was captivated by its concept and storyline. What could the idea of Illidan being defeated and having an introspective moment lead to? A whirlwind of insanity, perhaps.

I kept returning to the map and found myself improving, growing, and getting better, much like playing a soulslike game. While there might be a bit too much trial and error at times, overall, it's a unique map.
I only wish there were a part 2 or a continuation. In a way, it serves as a redemption arc for Illidan following his defeat by Arthas.

I recommend it for its uniqueness, challenging nature, and well-crafted puzzles. There's plenty of variety throughout each sequence of the map.
 
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FallenStar said:
Some may grasp this, while others might not
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Thank you for the good thoughts.
It definitely doesn't have that much story but rather more gameplay which was intended as a sort of atmospheric "story" inference, where the character would explore this realm while the player would get visual enigmas of what would be going on. Have I succeeded doing that beyond my subjective perspective? I do not know.
FallenStar said:
While there might be a bit too much trial and error at times, overall, it's a unique map.
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The map surely has its shortcomings and bad design in places but overall I hope it can be enjoyable with the proper patience.
FallenStar said:
I only wish there were a part 2 or a continuation. In a way, it serves as a redemption arc for Illidan following his defeat by Arthas.
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That is/was the plan, for the continuation to be as a campaign. Still getting ideas which I write down, now and then but haven't the time to actually map-trigger sadly, at least for an unforeseeable period.
 
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