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[Campaign] Road to Damnation

Discussion in 'Map Development' started by HungaryMaster (Magyar), Jun 26, 2018.

  1. HungaryMaster (Magyar)

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    You're right. Thanks. :D
     
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    Okay, so the potential is there. For the first mission I have that a I found a weird little bug, if you stand in front of the gate to much the starting sequence starts again, not the whole cinematic, but a fade to black and back. The mana options seemed pretty limited in this map, sure there was healing abound but no mana options. That wouldn't be a problem if the Earth Elemental wouldn't be so good, I found him more useful than the hero abilities. Now there is this one zone that seems quite useless, its the one with the three warlocks, by the time I get to them I am already max level and they don't seem to give anything out, maybe even a rune would work or something else. About the quest with the Ghosts, there was an indication of getting a Tome of Knowledge, but I either got it and didn't notice or I never got it in the first place, both of those seem possible. About the story it seems pretty okay, but I don't understand why did the Archer have Kel's letter. Also aren't the elves in the Kirin Tor from the start or is my history quite messed up at the moment?

    About the second chapter, this is a pretty weird one for me. So, we have Kel going to look into the crystal thing, but there is a footman that he can control that is just outside the town, now I didn't see if I could go in with it but that is to be tested. The bodies, the dead dwarves bodies I could only think that they are there thanks to the Blackrock Orcs, if not them I have no idea. The Wraith thing, isn't an optional quest and besides the experience that it's giving to you it doesn't really seem that worthy of wasting your time. The way that Kel drinks for the well and then he hears the Lich King, doesn't sound that good to me, it seems rushed and out of nowhere. Why that well? Why that place? Also are those skeletons just a vision or what? Needlessly to say that it makes things a little bit confusing when he meets with Helcular, I understand that that dialogue is taken from World of Warcraft, but it seems like Kel'thuzad changed suddenly just by drinking from that well. Maybe tell use that the actions of this map is after a few years from the first one and show us how he changed since the first map? That would be an interesting progression without needing to see how he is transforming.
     
  3. LISBOAH

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    Agreed.

    Supposedly this happens shortly after the Second War, so Ner'zhul still wasn't the Lich King.

    The Lich King only started giving whispers to Kel'Thuzad nearly a decade after.

    Agreed.
    Kel'Thuzad at the first mission was a good guy as he aided a woman and killed some ghosts.
    Then on the second mission he suddenly becomes a man that criticizes the Kirin Tor for no apparent reason and starts practicing necromancy out of nowhere. There was no character development in the middle.

    My suggestion is that on the second mission he sees for the first time undead and becomes slightly interested. Then the attack on Dalaran happens and his interest intensifies.
     
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  4. HungaryMaster (Magyar)

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    Okay, i listened for all respond you've written +Lisboah and +WarcraftLiterature. Please try this version and tell me if you find anything wrong. And about that gate problem: Look, i don't know. I waited 5 minute and still nothing happened for me.
     
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    Is the new version already there on first post?
     
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    Yes, i will always upload the newest version there.
     
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    You fixed nearly all things! Good job!

    First Chapter
    "I was sent"
    "Modera said she..."
    "before they gave me to the Kirin Tor"

    Technically the Kirin Tor had already accepted elves. One of the Council is Prince Kael.

    I suggest this model for Modera
    Modera


    Second chapter
    "Look! I can teach you something."
    The whole thing near the fountain still bugs me

    Wait, what? His parents gave him? WTf? Though this might explain why he is so lonely. You know about his Coin in the fountain right?
     
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    1. I will fix the other things you've written
    2. I think thats a "new version" of modera far away at WoTLK. The current model is perfectly fit (but this is my opinion).
    3. What do you think? The smoke bugs?
    4. Of Course! Well, let's say I'm not sure about this, probably because of the city and its parents. For this reason, this text has the same letter written on its coin: "Sometimes... I wish someone would come along and just give me a big, long hug."
     
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    This happened shortly after the Second War, right? The Lich King was created two years after, when Ner'zhul passes through the portal and is caught by Kil'jaeden.

    The Lich King only started whispering in Kel'Thuzad's head nearly ten years after the events of "Beyond the Dark Portal".

    Just that coin alone made me feel a lot of sympathy for Kel'thuzad :(
     
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    How is Ner'zhul already the Lich King? By this time, Ner'zhul should be in a coma in Draenor.

    And Gul'dan is already dead by this time.
     
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    I'm sorry, just realized that the number of elapsed years has been written down there, well I'm trying to correct the story.
     
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    [forget what i say before] So, what's wrong with the most recently uploaded version? (lore)
     
  13. LISBOAH

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    I can't test it now, sorry.

    @HungaryMaster (Magyar) Ok, now I can play the new version. Have you uploaded it already?
     
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    Review

    First Quest
    In the quest it still says "Violet Citadell"
    In the Main Quest "Modera wants to upgrade... but needs access (or permission) to start it"
    "My parents truly lived" 'Truly lived'?
    "one man tried to get to the Violet Citadel from here and found"
    "during a battle with a warlock"

    I just noticed it. Modera wants access from King Terenas? Isn't permission the correct word?
    While supposedly is a Blackrock Clan team there are no orcs on the map.
    Yes. Now you are showing that Kel'Thuzad is an outcast. I somewhat kind of relate with him.


    Second Mission
    "mysterious crystal found by"
    "who did this to them"
    "Draconic Heat"

    "durability of the crystal" is this correct?
     
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    "Violet Citadel" (changed)
    "My parents truly lived" 'Truly lived'? changed to ("My parents lived")
    "one man tried to get to the Violet Citadel from here and found" (changed)
    "during a battle with a warlock" (changed)
    "I just noticed it. Modera wants access from King Terenas? Isn't permission the correct word?" (changed)
    "mysterious crystal found by" (changed)
    "who did this to them" (changed)
    "Draconic Heat" (changed)

    "durability of the crystal" is this correct? (removed)
     
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    I found no other mistakes, so in my opinion these two chapters are done.

    Do you have already ideas for the other chapters?
    Because I can give you ideas if you wish.
     
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    I will do a Interlude that will be played 2 years later than the previous events (as the second course is in theory completed) where Kel'Thuzad's research is revealed and the Council has come together and discussing its fate.
     
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    2 years after this occured the attack on Dalaran, which increased Kel'thuzad's interest in necromancy and he realizing just how overpowered warlocks are compared to mages.

    The Council only learns of his studies years later, between seven or ten years after the attack.
     
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    Or what do you think? I need to make a Dalaran siege mission where I need to defense the city from (clan)?
     
  20. LISBOAH

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    From what I read in "Beyond the Dark Portal" book, the orcs managed to infiltrate the city before the alarm activated. So I guess instead of a siege, the mission would be killing all orcs inside Dalaran.

    Of course we technically lose since Teron manages to flee with the Eye, but still...

    The optional quests could be killing experiments that escaped during the chaos, looking for items that could help us, aid the civilians in evacuating, etc...


    Another possible mission could be one where we play with Kel'Thuzad and Baron Rivendare. While the lore says they have been friends for years, it is never shown them interacting with the other.
    Rivendare lived in Stratholme and Stratholme was destroyed by the orcs during the war, so maybe Rivendare asks Kel'thuzad for aid? I don't know, you decide.