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[Campaign] Road to Damnation

Discussion in 'Map Development' started by HungaryMaster (Magyar), Jun 26, 2018.

  1. LISBOAH

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    Nope.
    The attack on Dalaran occured 10 years before Kel'Thuzad went to Northrend

    Time between Second War and the events of Beyond the Dark Portal: 2 years
    Time between Beyond the Dark Portal and Road to Damnation: ~7 to 10 years
    Time between Road to Damnation to the events of Warcrat III: 3 years
     
  2. HungaryMaster (Magyar)

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    Oh, okay then, thanks.
     
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    I just checked the new abilities.

    Is it lore-wise to give Kel'Thuzad only fire-base abilities? He is an Archmage and a member of the Council of Six. He should have a mixture of abilities around Fire, Ice, Arcane, etc...

    My ideas:
    -Either giving him a spell, all of different types of magic
    Or
    -Giving him spellbook-like abilities
    Let me explain: one ability is called "Art: Fire" you click and you can use several fire spells (Fire Bolt, Flamestrike, etc...). Each level grants you stronger versions of the spells.
     
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    I can give him the mage-base abilities like: Arcane Blast - Scorch - Frost Armor - Ice Block?
     
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    I support the spellbook version. Maybe give him low-level necromancy too, since that's what got him into the whole mess, and these abilities are the ones that grow stronger over the campaign.
     
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    He will got a raise dead ability at the maps when he will close to Northrend.
     
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    Yes, and have it get better with every level (cheaper, faster, better summon...).

    Maybe have some of the maps (an early one or a flashback) set during the Second War, so we can see him fight as an actual hero.
     
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    Before he joined the Lich King, the best he could do was raising dead rats and they died seconds later.
     
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    That needs to be in a cutscene.
     
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    This is explained in "Road to Damnation" and in a conversation with Helcular.

    He showed Helcular necromancy by raising a critter. The critter dies seconds later and Kel'Thuzad says that he was still working on "minor details"
     
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    I plan that the first undead scene is at the second map, when Kel'Thuzad reaches a field with full of green smoke (Fog_Saurok01.mdx Wow smoke model), he will get nausea and starts seeing illusions of undead. Then the nausea will fading and he finally reaches Southshore, where Antonidas "sent" him to see with his own eyes that the misterious crystal really exists (Ashbringer) and when Alexandros got the crystal and get away with them, Kel'Thuzad will speak with Helcular what he experienced withing the "smoke".
     
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    Exactly:
    Kel'Thuzad says: Keep your voice down, Helcular. Strangers abound...
    Helcular nods.
    Helcular says: So you can teach me this...this...
    Kel'Thuzad says: Necromancy. It is called necromancy. And yes, I have it within my power to bless you with this gift.
    Helcular says: And the Kirin Tor? What have they to say of necromancy?
    Kel'Thuzad says: That is none of your concern, Helcular, as you are neither Kirin Tor nor a necromancer.
    Kel'Thuzad says: But to be perfectly frank, I do not give a damn what the Kirin Tor think! They are fools, set in their archaic ways.
    Helcular says: Then teach me, Kel'Thuzad. Teach me everything you know...
    Kel'Thuzad nods.
    Kel'Thuzad says: In due time, Helcular... All in due time...
    If the pair encounter the Captured Critter that has been killed by the children Sally Whitemane and Renault Mograine then Kel'Thuzad continues.
    Kel'Thuzad says: Come, Helcular, let me give you a small taste...
    Kel'Thuzad utters some unintelligible words.
    The critter is brought back to life.
    Kel'Thuzad says: Now do you see, Helcular? Do you doubt the power? I control life!
    Kel'Thuzad says: And death...
    The critter dies again.
    Kel'Thuzad says: I'm still working out some minor details...
     
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    Precisely. The best he could do was raising a critter for a few seconds. Most likely because he lacked proper sources from which he could learn more.
     
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    Cool.

    Does he ever talk with orc warlocks to understand how they do it?

    Dammit, now I have this image of Kel'thuzad as a teenager performing unholy experiments in his parents' garage.

    KEEEEEL! Did you clean your room?

    I'm rewriting the very laws of magic here, Mom!

    Your rats again? I'm warning you, if they're still in your room by tomorrow I'm throwing them out!

    But Moooooooooom!

    *laugh track*
     
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    The warlocks that survived Doomhammer's purge were turned into death knights. Those that weren't killed during the war joined Teron Gorefiend and went through the Dark Portal.
     
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    Maybe one got through, or even one from the First War who's been in hiding.
     
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    I doubt it. The surviving warlocks, if there were, would have been
    -Hunted down by Doomhammer
    -Went alongside Gul'dan to the Tomb of Sargeras where they were either slaughtered by the demons or the Blackrock Clan or left with Cho'gall
    -Killed during the war
    -Went alongside Teron Gorefiend through the Dark Portal
    -Killed by the other orcs since the warlocks betrayed the Horde alongside Gul'dan

    If there are any survivors, they most likely belong to the Blackrock Clan, or at least the group that appears during the Human Campaign in Reign of Chaos
     
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    What do you guys think about the new spells?
     
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    I like these far more.

    Thanks for listening to our suggestions.
     
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    I think an AoE spell might be better than flaming arrows, but yeah, it's better.