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Maps - Credits

Discussion in 'Site Discussion' started by IcemanBo, May 25, 2020.

  1. IcemanBo

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    Hello,

    There are often author names, listed at a map thread, without any note what they are credited for. (which is fine with rules)
    But for me, such pure author list is mostly useless when I look at it. I want to know who, but also what for, credits are given.
     
  2. Chaosy

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    Sounds like a pain in the ass.

    Doesn't the automatic import detector do this anyway? for most stuff
     
  3. IcemanBo

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    Last edited: May 25, 2020
  4. Dat-C3

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    Don't we only need to credit Blizzard nowadays?
     
  5. General Frank

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    No.
    Blizzard is not this community.
    People that contribute resources and things to it are.
    It is also common courtesy to credits a resource or idea you have used.
     
  6. Dat-C3

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    Agreed =) though sometimes there are difficulties with credits.
     
  7. General Frank

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    Care to elaborate on that?
     
  8. Dat-C3

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    Only wanted to point it out but I guess I can a little, deleted resources, in map only resources, too many resources used, and same/similar idea's.
     
  9. Chaosy

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    How far does the rabbit hole go?
    If I should thank IconMaster 1337 for using one icon, surely I should also credit Microsoft for making windows which I am using while making the map.
    Should I also credit Ralle for making the hive which hosts the resources?
    Should I credit everyone that offers help with scripts in the trigger section?
    Should I credit model editing programs if I choose to modify existing models.
    If I am using WEX/WEU/HiveWE should I credit them?

    Because I think that some of these aspects affect my map WAY more than a few individual resources do.

    For me, a proper credit list takes way too much research to put together. Unless you are writing things down from the very start of development.
    This is also annoying because you might import things that does not end up in the final product so you need to go through your gigantic list to double check everything anyway.

    If you want to enforce proper crediting, fine. But you should be very specific in what should and shouldn't be credited.
     
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  10. General Frank

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    You answered your question there quite well.
     
  11. deepstrasz

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    While it's honourable to make a proper list, enforcing people to write the specifics like name-model/link is a bit too much when most don't do their list while developing their maps. We're lucky if they even do a list afterwards from the View in Use Resources link. I've been criticized numerous times for demanding such a detailed credits list before I went to actually reviewing those maps.

    Keeping it minimal would be ideal.
    Example:

    Models:
    • Johnny
    • Billy
    • Dave
    Icons:
    • Salammy
    • Bamboocha
    • Whatshisface
    Coding:
    • Namephilia

    Music/Sounds:
    • BravoNoMore Entertainment
    • Wolf van Bear
     
  12. General Frank

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    That sounds very reasonable.
     
  13. Shar Dundred

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    ^That.
     
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    Some of you make it sound like using something you didn't make and writing it down takes more time than making the thing yourself.

    Basically, for your map, anything you added to the map (from outside) that you did not create should be credited or attributed.

    And I agree with IcemanBo. Credit lists are best if they actually reference the thing used next to the name.
     
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    Its more about not wanting to spend 2 days straight trying to lookup who made what.
     
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    If you don't want to credit, don't use custom resources.

    People spend hours making those resources for free, crediting is the very least you can do.

    If it is hard, it is only hard because YOU planned poorly.

    Nobody is entitled to other peoples free work, and what we have here at the hive is almost unique. Don't be the guy, that steps on those people and their work because you couldn't be asked to make a list.
     
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    Admittedly I do not own the super-big code resources like Damage Engine but I could not care less if I was given credit for any of my help with code (which is a lot over the years as 75% of my posts are from the trigger and help section) or public resources.
    You are welcome to double check any of my posts, I have never demanded credit.

    I helped people out because I find it fun to code, not because I want to be on some pointless list.
     
  18. The_Silent

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    You have the right to not want to be credited. But that has no effect on anybody else. It is not an ideological discussion, there is nothing wrong with either.

    We credit people because they did us an service, and that is the very least we can do. If you don't want to be credited personally, that is cool.



    The "I don't want to make a list because it is hard work" is just a shitty argument. Making that resource was also hard work. You can upload your map anonymously and de-protected, but that is your personal choice too.
     
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    If they want to credit me fine. But I would never go and cry about not being credited.

    I do not feel any better from being credited, in fact most of the time I wont even know if I am in a map or not because no one reads the credits anyway, it's a pointless list unless you want to lookup a specific model and even then you do not really care about who made it, you just want it for yourself.
     
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    Cool, good for you I guess :p

    Has no effect on anybody else though.



    One day, hiveworkshop might be forced to have licenses on everything, like almost everywhere else, and it will only be the worse for it. Giving credits is literally nothing.