What's the point of giving credit

[APproject]

Lol, my credits list for my map is Myself, Paradise, and Toma. Lol
I don't like using others stuff

You're so cool.

 

[sonofjay]

Maybe it is useful to link to a resource section, but linking each resource individually would be ridiculous.

This should end this. But there is still many resources that you can find other than hive. So just add their names on your credit list and you're done.

 

[HappyTauren]

I've seen many people actually credit the hive, wc3c, TheHelper, XGM, and so on, as communities, so that's also a nice way to put this. This way people know that if they need a resource from the map, they will find them at one of those sites. Seriously, I don'[t see why there is such a huge discussion with so many "opinionated" people, when this is, really, very straightforward.

 

[Vladadamm]

Giving the link in the map suxx, you can't c+c/c+v the link on wc3. But if you do it on a web page, it's okay, and it does not always take more place :
DaImbaRessource by SomeProGuy

Also, giving reputation can be a good way of retribution too ^^

 

[Lordkoon]

It is hard and time consuming to put only names on the list already if it takes a lot of imports, but if adding resource name and resource link, oh, that would be a lot of work. It is also sometimes hard to track what is already mentioned in the list, for example, you use an import in early beginning and another import of same author in the ending and it takes time and focus already to track the name if it was already mentioned in a big list.

It is unwanted and distracting to keep mind on map stuffs and suddently jump to links, resources names and credit list polishing, it distract from work.

I honestly still don't see a point of mentioning all this additional information due to reasons in my previous posts.

I think poll should be opened about it and let the majority decide if changes are needed, even though it would be resource authors vs users.

I am not a resourse author yet I make that topic. It's really not like that. Some logical order is just missing here in the hive. It is so simple. Instead of people going on what I call 'importing frenzy' when they browse resourses and import like 20-30 of them for 5 minutes thinking 'i will find authors if I finish the map', they shoud be simply importing stuff one by one and writing down their authors-resourses in a notepad for later use. Doesn't seem much time-consuming to me if you do it right from the start.

 

[sonofjay]

Credit them the way you want, no one stopping you to do it.

 

[Ralle]

If you kept the folder for the extracted resource, it should contain a readme with the author name as well. Doesn't it?

 

[SA Dashie]

Not about half of the models (atleast last time I checked). :\

 

[EbonyStallion]

Pisses me off when I don't see my name in someone's map; however i really don't care if they say what for or just list my name.

 

[Direfury]

I make models simply because I want to upload something, I don't really care what happens otherwise, unless someone steals credit for my work.

 

[mckill2009]

There is a problem with that. What is the resource does not go under the same name in the map as the resource itself?

Easy, sample <Name of Spell in map (Fire Wave)>, <Author>, <Link>

I recommend link coz other people maybe interested in that spell/resource and as for the search,
it's not hard but the search engine cannot search for Fire if the real name of the resource is water...

And imagine of you have like 100+ people to credit and is using the credits in an intro...

Not at the intro but at the front page of his submission and at the quest logs...

 

[APproject]

Personally I think it is a terrible idea to flood quest log with credits, it is not a place for it. If making a decent map, and not some kind of fun fun multiplayer pew pew game, quest log should not contain credits, it is just out of place, especially when many quests are used.

 

[HappyTauren]

Personally I think it is a terrible idea to flood quest log with credits, it is not a place for it. If making a decent map, and not some kind of fun fun multiplayer pew pew game, quest log should not contain credits, it is just out of place, especially when many quests are used.

This I completely agree with. If it is a singleplayer RPG then credits can be put at the end, just like you've done with that 3rd person map of yours.

 

[Amargaard]

.. Or simply on the site where you upload the map

 

[HappyTauren]

.. Or simply on the site where you upload the map

Nope, people tend to take someone's map and upload it elsewhere.

 

[Amargaard]

In case that happens, the creator is not the bad guy, as he gave all credit needed. People shouldn't steal others' work in the first place

 

[MortAr]

Credits = respect.
End of story. PERIOD.

 

[Lordkoon]

Credits = respect.
End of story. PERIOD.

I don't think we are talking about what credits mean... More like what is the correct way of displaying them to actually be not only ' respect ' but also usefull for others.

 

[MortAr]

That way, if you point out to some game and check its credits, nobody mentions the resource a certain individual has made or worked on, only the sphere in which he has worked, so basically your argument here is completely invalid.

So if a person is interested in the works of this individual, he will search the web and see if he has made anything else for other projects.

I'm not saying we shouldn't say which resource belong to someone and that kind of shit, but in most cases peoples save this information to just because certain parts of the map (most commonly referred to the quests tab) have a character limitations and it will not contain all the information that has to be added.

 

[Amargaard]

And that brings me back to the point that full credit list should be given on the site where the map is uploaded - that way links can be given too

 

[APproject]

That way, if you point out to some game and check its credits, nobody mentions the resource a certain individual has made or worked on, only the sphere in which he has worked, so basically your argument here is completely invalid.

What is invalid of Lordkoon? He didn't put any argument, he just said what talk was about here and he was 100% right. There are maps, for example, with authors linked to resources, etc, so your argument is completely invalid, since you said *nobody*.

but in most cases peoples save this information to just because certain parts of the map (most commonly referred to the quests tab) have a character limitations and it will not contain all the information that has to be added.

I see no limitations there. If you dare to spoil quest log with credits, do few or even more quests referring to credits, this way you have no bounds. You may say that on screen there is also a limited amount of text that can be displayed at once, yes, then display a bunch of text after another bunch of text - no limitations.

(Not saying we must credit that way)

 

[Lordkoon]

That way, if you point out to some game and check its credits, nobody mentions the resource a certain individual has made or worked on, only the sphere in which he has worked, so basically your argument here is completely invalid.
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That makes completely no sense at all. We discuss if exactly what you said (not giving full info on credits but just the area of work of given author) is the right thing to do, or as you called them '' which resource belong to someone and that kind of shit'' .
Please, I am trying to make a discussion here and entering it by this way:

Credits = respect.
End of story. PERIOD.

is only unneeded spam which I think you can reffer as a 'noob moment' in another topic here on the hive.

 

[HappyTauren]

Just to drop this here. I've figured you can write ALL the credits you'd need in the Menu > Help field. Just edit the "UI\HelpStrings.txt" file to include all the credits. This is as far as the convenience goes, you can drop a hint or two so players can see notice credits.