How long will Warcraft 3 last?

[Vunjo]

still, that comment was not positive for warcraft, thus it makes a fail

 

[Dynamiczx]

*runs google chrome*
*types www.hiveworkshop.com*
*checks this page*
*facepalm*

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Either way, I'm sure Warcraft III would live forever, it's just not possible for it to die off completely, and it's still very much active (Even more than other standalone games that recently were created).

 

[w3.player]

@Edhel-dur, i accept your opinion, i will not counter argument you because we were on this road before, but still i do not understand one thing... therefore i state the question:

Why did you join THW? I mean... this is after all a "half-wc3" (i say half because it's also about sc2 and diablo and other games) community... What is the point of being a member here if you only disagree with us?

Maybe i am wrong, but what you keep pointing out is that warcraft 3 is not worth playing anymore. Even if that is not your intention, it is what you "inspire" to others.


P.S. About the ">"... it's obvious i used it as a mere sign to further point out the "evolution" idea.

 

[DEAD FiSH]

@Edhel-dur, i accept your opinion, i will not counter argument you because we were on this road before, but still i do not understand one thing... therefore i state the question:

Why did you join THW? I mean... this is after all a "half-wc3" (i say half because it's also about sc2 and diablo and other games) community... What is the point of being a member here if you only disagree with us?

Maybe i am wrong, but what you keep pointing out is that warcraft 3 is not worth playing anymore. Even if that is not your intention, it is what you "inspire" to others.


P.S. About the ">"... it's obvious i used it as a mere sign to further point out the "evolution" idea.

We all joined here because of Warcraft III and we should keep it that way.
Starcraft II section of the site is dead!

But as much as Warcraft III`s World Edit powerful may be, it still can`t make anything.
There are stuff that are coded in Jass, but that doesn`t make smooth gameplay like C does.
`Nuff said. WC3 will die eventually... Thanks to it`s creator!

 

[Edhel-dur]

If you check my profile, you would have noticed I joined back in January 2007. I am pretty sure the reasons I joined backthen are not the same I still spend my time here today.

I have nothing against Warcraft. I like Warcraft, it's a nice game with a nice story. When I started playing Warcraft when I was 13-14 I too found the story to be quite epic. I still find it today, even if I know it over and over again, it's a good story. It's also a good game. And the maps from the modding scene, oh, some of them I even loved.

Let me remind you my first statement in this thread:

I voted for 'maybe 5-15 years' because, first of all Wc3 runs on most PCs these days where as starcraft does not. I have an core 2 duo at 2,4GHz, 2GB, 512 Video which I bought like 4 years ago and I can't do any 4v4 in sc2.

Thus any big multiplayer map like "Azeroth Wars" or "Footman Frenzy" I would rather play in wc3.

Than there is DotA... and no matter what appears like LOL, HoN or even blizzard DotA... the current DotA will still be played for years to come (especially since u cant play sc2 through Garena, and ppl dont buy HoN and would rather play wc3 DotA as such).

However after 5-15 years, the pieces of hardware required to play sc2 smoothly will be way cheaper.

It's a statement based on facts, experience, logic and a reasonable prediction. I know that my PC cannot handle SC2 well, but I also know that parts will get cheaper eventually, so I will change my PC for a better one. And that's how most of us will transition from WC3 to SC2, especially if some really cool mods will appear for SC2. And why would most of us stop playing WC3 for SC2 ? Well it's quite elementary. As people grow older, they tend to have less free time. At one point the hours of gaming per week might get reduce to 4. Point at which you might end up considering between WC3 or SC2. I don't know what you would do, but most of the people would pick the more popular game where they can start their games fast without waiting 15minutes for full slots, and that most likely will be SC2. Let's not forget we are talking in over 5-15 years from now on.

Until now I didn't show that I wish harm to Warcraft 3, it is just a prediction based on logic, justified on current facts.

Then I go to say that I wouldn't want Warcraft 4 and I do not believe that they will ever release Warcraft 4. That's mostly because after WoW and SC2:WOL story, I'm not sure if I can trust the writing staff of Blizzard to create any kind of story entertaining for me. Truth be told often times I write in a matter to induce the kind of feeling I want in my message. I just like to flavour my text.

Again, untill now I didn't show I wish harm to the Warcraft francise. I just don't want the Warcraft francise to get revised like SC2 got. I do not consider the WoW story to actually be any part of the Warcraft story. Story in WoW is just there to explain stuff, while the story in the Warcraft RTS is there to provide a separate thing, to provide entertainment, similar to an actual movie or book.

Now a story, is just a story. It has a beggining and it also has an ending. A good story has a good ending. And I consider the ending of Wc3:TFT a great ending.

It's a great ending for a great story which for me started in Warcraft 1. So why would I ever want it to continue in Wc4?

To make it clear, I have nothing against this game, or against THW, or the warcraft community or the warcraft francise.

However here is the click. All that I wrote above, is based of pure 100% logic. And all that was thought in a snap of fingers. Obviously it took a while to write but that's a different thing.

I am not attacking the game, what I am attacking is youir happy-go-lucky attitude some of you guys have. It's rather incredible actually.

Some people state the obvious with demonstrations, based off current facts, that 2+2 = 4, but not for you guys. For you it's 2+2 = 5. All you guys manage to show, is to put yourself in a funny position, where you express your belief (has if this situation is somehow religious) that Warcraft lives forever. Which we all know it's a statement flawed from the start because everything has an ending. Yet as obvious as it is, that everything does have an end, this knowledge seems to have passed your ears. And when it's told to you, that everything has an end, you continue to share your unmoving belief.

Some people would tell you that you live in a bubble. And if you live in a bubble, don't become a cry-baby when someone like me comes around and starts to poke your bubble. Your in a bubble, I intend to poke it for sheer amusement, simple as that. Don't want to be poked anymore, get rid of the bubble.


Also yes, I do remember how all our arguments end up, with you never managing to prove me wrong. Or did you find that project which is less than 1 year old and shows evolution in the Warcraft modding scene ?


Oh, and THIS is mostly why I am still around here.

Edit: I also broke your post piece by piece just to show that you don't know what you are talking about actually, and just spamming stuff without any logic or reason behind it. "Warcraft is unlimited" that one made me LoL hardcore D:

Edit Edit: Here is something for you to think about. One day your mother will die. It's innevitable, it will happen, happiest case I guess she will die while in her sleep at a very old age. But she will die at one point. What will you do? Do you live in a bubble reguarding her too? Telling yourself that she will live forever?

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Hmm...
I do agree that Starcraft II is neat, which is why I'll mod/play both Warcraft III and Starcraft II.

But, Warcraft III would probably not die out any time soon, considering that even if all the games were suddenly deleted from the database, it would easily be filled with others in one mere day.

So yeah, Warcraft III could still live forever, and Starcraft II has a bright future

 

[Ken-E]

Warcraft 3 will live forever unless many people becomes stupid and decided to abandon epic-ness.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

And Blizzard is starting to be more generous with the players, allowing them to use cross-game resources, so yeah, as long as the modding is alive in Warcraft III, I'm guessing it'll not ever die, never.

Warcraft III just has a legacy too epic to die out

 

[w3.player]

We, the players and modders, are the legacy of Warcraft III.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

And considering that there are still many of them, Warcraft III wouldn't die

 

[Vehster]

People who see Wc3 as limited are indeed stupid and act as children.

A hack can either improve or make a game bad, hacks should always be included in conversations such as this you pony loving dur.

480x480 is the limit nowadays, 256x256 was the limit for people that had no knowledge.
I was able to obtain 480x480 without a hack even so your entire statements and so called facts are now rendered useless and sure Sc2 is a good game but it can never beat Wc3 for it has bad moddability and other reasons, in 5 to 15 years computers won't change much and to handle Sc2 custom maps will most likely take 30 years ahead in computers.

There is no limit for wc3 even with the return bug gone, there is a limit for Sc2 however.

If I recall correctly the return bug allowed use of binary code?
Well with preloading you can still kinda do the same thing, which grants you to unlimited uses for Wc3 basically.

Through intelligence and creativity Wc3 is no limit, through common knowledge and facts Wc3 is at its limit.

 

[Vunjo]

-People who see Wc3 as limited are indeed stupid and act as children.

And people who see wc3 as unlimited can't think outside of the box.

 

[Ramza]

Now we all know that the generation of kids from 10 years ago was much smarter then today's.

We do? :I

 

[Miss_Foxy]

There could be problems here and there during development, but I'm sure there's always a way to go around them and develop Warcraft III further, so that it'll keep up forever

 

[w3.player]

I somehow agree with Vunjo, it is true. Yet we cannot say that wc3 has very limited possibilities. It is still widely usable, unlike most other games.

 

[Vunjo]

We should somehow implement Divine Shield to Warcraft 3 so it can never die.

 

[w3.player]

As far as i know... divine shield only makes it invulnerable... not immortal, therefore i think we should better implement Ressurection.

 

[Vunjo]

As far as i know... divine shield only makes it invulnerable... not immortal, therefore i think we should better implement Ressurection.

In WoW, you can't die with Divine Shield active, not even by falling 200 yards

 

[w3.player]

Well we are talking here about Warcraft III, not WoW. So, please, choose your words carefully.

 

[Vunjo]

ehm, yeah, true, but both of these games are made by blizzard, and yet they have very similar spells in each of the games.

 

[Dynamiczx]

In WoW, you can't die with Divine Shield active, not even by falling 200 yards

But you can age

 

[Miss_Foxy]

As long as people aren't limited by their imagination in creating mods and such (Like newer concepts), Warcraft III will not die.

 

[NhazUl]

Heh. Well, about modeling I can say that WC3 is far from dying. I make my models in WC3, with the programs that I'm used to, gime them SC2 quality and import them in SC2.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

And considering Starcraft II is approaching as well, I'd just be happy to say both Warcraft III and Starcraft II would have a very bright future with modding (Even if some players hate their current form, Blizzard sees the long term benefit of it, I've finally seen it after some time of raging so hope you guys do too) and would live forever

Who knows, maybe another popular game (Like DotA) would emerge from either Starcraft II or Warcraft III!

 

[Dangerb0y]

When DOTA 2 is born, WC3 will die...

By that I mean that 85% of the community won't bother with ol' faithful anymore.

I'm willing to bet money on it.

 

[w3.player]

Dangerboy,
Can you give a real argument for your statement? Besides your actual determination (and the willingness of betting money on it).

 

[Super-Sheep]

Dangerboy,
Can you give a real argument for your statement? Besides your actual determination (and the willingness of betting money on it).

Let me tell you something.

Dota 2 beta. It is awesome. I cant see any reason why I would start Warcraft III back again when it gets finally released. This of course only applies to dotafags. But... Its a big part of wc3's so called community at the moment.

 

[Vunjo]

Thank god I am not the only one who calls dotafags, dotafags

 

[w3.player]

Super-sheep, even though you are right, i asked Dangerboy, not you... and also:
The fact that the community will have less people does not mean the game goes down the sink. The dotafags are very different from the other players who (most of them) play totally different maps, therefore all those will remain to Wc3.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

That. Along with the fact that newer maps are being developed 9And some are quite ingenious in their concept to me), Warcraft III would stand an easier chance surviving forever.

 

[Vunjo]

-The fact that the community will have less people does not mean the game goes down the sink.

Not exactly. If there are less people playing it, it is going down (slowly, not immediately).

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Although Warcraft III is well known for its uncanny ability to suddenly start getting up again if something changes it.

 

[_lycan]

i guess with my mod 5 years mod >

 

[UchihaSasuke.gr]

Strange how these threads still exist and go on to be created!

I think that Wc3 will last a year or so, until Dota 2, or until people stop playing DotA which pretty much is the thing that keeps it alive more than anything else.

 

[TheAncient]

DoTA and the rest of the war3 community are completely different.

the reason is DoTA people are famous for... only playing dota. to the point that the dota games rack up thousands and thousands of games.

while the rest are famous for... making and playing various other ones. for being banned from dota just for popping in by accident, and for only being able to rack up a few games here and there. (except for legion td and vamprism. they seem to be doing well)

when DoTa2 comes the split will be even more evident. the non-dota will continue being non-dota, and the dota will continue being dota.

 

[w3.player]

Your words are truth nonetheless, TheAncient.

 

[Edhel-dur]

People who see Wc3 as limited are indeed stupid and act as children.

A hack can either improve or make a game bad, hacks should always be included in conversations such as this you pony loving dur.

480x480 is the limit nowadays, 256x256 was the limit for people that had no knowledge.
I was able to obtain 480x480 without a hack even so your entire statements and so called facts are now rendered useless and sure Sc2 is a good game but it can never beat Wc3 for it has bad moddability and other reasons, in 5 to 15 years computers won't change much and to handle Sc2 custom maps will most likely take 30 years ahead in computers.

There is no limit for wc3 even with the return bug gone, there is a limit for Sc2 however.

If I recall correctly the return bug allowed use of binary code?
Well with preloading you can still kinda do the same thing, which grants you to unlimited uses for Wc3 basically.

Through intelligence and creativity Wc3 is no limit, through common knowledge and facts Wc3 is at its limit.

I was expecting for someone to come in and say that the limit is not 256x256 anymore, that it's 480x480.

Yes, okay, it is 480x480... and that is also a limit.

So do not say that the game is "unlimited". No more then 12 people per map, I define that as a limit.

I am just playing with you guys because some of you don't have the property of the words you are using.

Btw, a hack.

In modern computing terminology, a kludge (or often a "hack") is a solution to a problem, doing a task, or fixing a system (whether hardware or software) that is inefficient, inelegant, or even unfathomable, but which nevertheless (more or less) works. To kludge around something is to avoid a bug or some difficult condition by building a kludge, perhaps relying on properties of the bug itself to assure proper operation. It is somewhat similar in spirit to a workaround, only without the grace. A kludge is often used to change the behavior of a system after it is finished, without having to make fundamental changes. Sometimes to keep backwards compatibility, but often simply because it is easier. That something was often originally a crock, which is why it must now be hacked to make it work. Note that a hack might be a kludge, but that 'hack' could be, at least in computing, ironic praise, for a quick fix solution to a frustrating problem.[7]

A kludge is often used to fix an unanticipated problem in an earlier kludge; this is essentially a kind of cruft.

Furthermore the "5-15 years" option I chose is just an opinion, feel free to not believe it since it's just an opinion. However what I was outlining was that I chose that option based on something real. Prices going down on computer parts it's a phenomenon happening today because of our advancement in the domain.

The counter-argument to my argument is built on belief that it will live (somehow) forever. And you know, I agree partially, if the community will continue to make content and develop programs and hack the WE in order to extend the boundaries and the quality of Wc3 Maps, and ofc if Blizzard show their support (like for example... increasing map size limit again from 8mb to 12... and not sure if they could update the engine somehow to add shaders...) then yeah sure, I could see Wc3 living another 10 years without problems. Not forever, but for another 10-15 years without problems, I could see that.

However what amuses me terribly is that some people over here refer to Warcraft as more than what it actually is... a game... a story... a level editor.

Some people on this thread just have positive hopes about the future of the franchise with these people I have no problem and no desire to poke their bubble, because they do not take Warcraft more then it actually is. They are just very positive people and you know what? It's great to have very positive people on Earth.

But the people who say that Warcraft is more then what it really is, and that by the power of their braincells which have been bestowed upon them, decided that they have nothing better to do, or nothing better to believe in, or nothing better to waste their energy on, or nothing better to use their brain cells at, than to pick with people who would not adhere to their belief that Warcraft is god, they are funny for me... to the point where it gotten has gotten ridiculous... and then out-right stupid.

 

[Vunjo]

-I was expecting for someone to come in and say that the limit is not 256x256 anymore, that it's 480x480.

Yes, okay, it is 480x480... and that is also a limit.

So do not say that the game is "unlimited". No more then 12 people per map, I define that as a limit.

There are only few things that are unlimited:
-The people's stupidity
-the universe
-the number of zubats in the cave.

 

[Sky Green]

-I was expecting for someone to come in and say that the limit is not 256x256 anymore, that it's 480x480.

Yes, okay, it is 480x480... and that is also a limit.

So do not say that the game is "unlimited". No more then 12 people per map, I define that as a limit.

There are only few things that are unlimited:
-The people's stupidity
-the universe
-the number of zubats in the cave.

My awesomeness is also unlimited

 

[w3.player]

My friends, let's just say this: "Every object is what it is" (said by Aristotle)

And now let us end this senseless discussion in which we all already made our points of view.

 

[aider]

What should the next topic be then?

 

[Soliloquy]

WarCraft III is already dead!

 

[UchihaSasuke.gr]

WarCraft III is already dead!

Obvious troll is obvious ?

 

[Soliloquy]

Obvious troll is obvious ?

Can you tell me where to get a game that isn't hosted by a bot or a bot game that isn't DoTA?

 

[Vunjo]

@Soliloguy

www.garena.com
www.battlenet.com
www.prettymuchanything.com

Okay these links aren't the real stuff but you get what I mean...

 

[Super-Sheep]

www.garena.com
www.battlenet.com
www.prettymuchanything.com

Okay these links aren't the real stuff but you get what I mean...

I dont.

 

[Soliloquy]

I second that.

 

[Dynamiczx]

Can you tell me where to get a game that isn't hosted by a bot or a bot game that isn't DoTA?

GARENA! xD
I see no bots there when i play, and dota games stay in dota rooms, and other games stay in other rooms

 

[Vunjo]

I dont.

There are tons of shit places where you can play warcraft. Which means, it's not dead.