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How long will Warcraft 3 last?

How long do you think Warcraft 3 will last?

  • Forever and ever to the everlasting ever!

    Votes: 97 40.9%
  • Maybe 5-15 more years

    Votes: 73 30.8%
  • Only a few more years.

    Votes: 52 21.9%
  • Until the day after tomorrow.

    Votes: 15 6.3%

  • Total voters
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^ True!

And, aider, to answer you... i was only stating my opinion about the discussion itself, i wasn't saying that we necessarily have to end the discussion, even though we could... as all sides have said all they needed.
 
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And the good thing would be that Warcraft III would still live forever from the newer games introduced.
Plus, most DotA-loving people would still play Warcraft III and Dota 2 at different times, it's quite hard to let go of a game just like that without having some desire to want to come back once in a while:)
 
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Most dota players don't really care about Warcraft, they only care about dota, which proves that most of them will leave, but they are totally different from the rest of the community, making us sure that the community will still go on with the other maps. :)
 
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And judging by the rising amount of people buying Warcraft III in my country (For some unknown reason), I'm sure they'll add to the number of players playing in Battle.Net as well, which would still mean that other maps would be massively played in the future:)
 

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Most dota players don't really care about Warcraft, they only care about dota, which proves that most of them will leave, but they are totally different from the rest of the community, making us sure that the community will still go on with the other maps. :)

Ehm, it's true. But you know, there are like 99% dota players and 1% of others (the community)...
 
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People in Garena just wanted to torrent a game and play it freely because they are not giving a shit about the community. And they most likely wont even in the future as Warcraft III wont have a place in their hearts like it had in some of us...
 
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Although before DotA, Warcraft III did still have many players playing its mods and the ladder games, so yeah, I doubt they would leave that easily just because one of their mods is available in another game (Remember, DotA would still be playable and it could still be as fun as before).
IceFrog also did say that he might continue the mod for the community, or pass it on, but it would be updated still whether it'll be slow or not.
Anyways, I do believe that the community wouldn't give up that easily on this, considering that there are still many who play other games:)
 
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Although before DotA, Warcraft III did still have many players playing its mods and the ladder games, so yeah, I doubt they would leave that easily just because one of their mods is available in another game (Remember, DotA would still be playable and it could still be as fun as before).

Based on my experience, people who mod wc3 dont enjoy playing such a "simple" and "boring" game as Dota. And most of dotards dont even know how to create a simple map in the World Editor. And I gave up mapping when the Bnet got filled by bots and after that I havent bothered trying again.
 
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And seeing that modding would be improving in the years, I wouldn't be surprised if some newer, better game that could be as successful as DotA emerges from Warcraft III.
 

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@Super-Sheep

So, bots are the reason you stopped modding? That is a fail reason. Bots are quite useful in times when the host goes AFK. Also, who knows, there could be a bot who hosts your maps too. You shouldn't stop modding just because there are more bots on battlenet...
 
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@Super-Sheep

So, bots are the reason you stopped modding? That is a fail reason. Bots are quite useful in times when the host goes AFK. Also, who knows, there could be a bot who hosts your maps too. You shouldn't stop modding just because there are more bots on battlenet...

Yes. Bots. Bots that host an empty games for hours until enough people join into them. Its not like I quitted because of bots. Its because of like half of people just disappeared form Battle.net after the hostbot invasion...
 

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I don't think that it matters if someone has bought the game, or not. Warcraft 3 will live if people are playing it. Sadly, because of growing numbers of non-payed users, Blizzard wouldn't get much money with Warcraft 4. Yes, I know some think that Blizzard would get money from it, but it's not true. MMORPGs are the games that people play these days. And yet, users must buy the game AND pay every 2 months.
 
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I may be wrong, but... if they get money from WoW isn't that enough to fund Wc4 also? I mean... for crying out loud... there is at least a milliard people playing wow on the blizzard servers, which means they pay every 2 months... i don't know what the cost is... but if it's at least over 30 euro then... doing the math it will reach something like 180 milliard euro a year... I'm not an economics person so i can't really know... but that seems to me as a really big amount of money, even for big companies.
 
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I may be wrong, but... if they get money from WoW isn't that enough to fund Wc4 also? I mean... for crying out loud... there is at least a milliard people playing wow on the blizzard servers, which means they pay every 2 months... i don't know what the cost is... but if it's at least over 30 euro then... doing the math it will reach something like 180 milliard euro a year... I'm not an economics person so i can't really know... but that seems to me as a really big amount of money, even for big companies.

As far as I know it is the huge servers that can have thousands and thousands of users online at the same time that are eating the money.
 
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I may be wrong, but... if they get money from WoW isn't that enough to fund Wc4 also? I mean... for crying out loud... there is at least a milliard people playing wow on the blizzard servers, which means they pay every 2 months... i don't know what the cost is... but if it's at least over 30 euro then... doing the math it will reach something like 180 milliard euro a year... I'm not an economics person so i can't really know... but that seems to me as a really big amount of money, even for big companies.

A miliard of people? Really? Dude you just had to google to get more accurate numbers, el oh el.

You come into this thread, and you talk... I mean and you pretend like you know what you are talking about, yet you don't have any ideea how many people actually play WoW on retail. So I am curios... if you don't know a simple answer which is found via google... how can you know the answer behind a much more complex problem found in the gaming industry?

Even if they had 1 bilion people playing WoW, they wouldn't ever make any kind of fan service and create Warcraft4. Wc4 will appear only when they will need to get some money and that the only source of their revenue would be the Warcraft player base. However, WoW is still selling good, SC2 afaik is selling good too and there two more expansions to it, and everyone is waiting for Diablo3 which most likely will sell good too.

And further more even as developers, do you think Blizzard really loves Warcraft? Newsflash youngling, a game developer is much like an artist. To make a 3d model is art, to make a 2d skin is art, game sound is art, voice acting, story/plot/lore, all of these things are art... even programming is a form of art, and like any artist.... heck like any human being you want to evolve, you want to overcome your limits. So why (after 17 years of Warcraft) would you still want to be in the same Universe, and continue making Orcs and Elves to amuse 14 yr olds?

Oh right... for the money...

What will happen now, they will do like they did with Sc2, in the eventual case that they will make Wc4 for profit, they have a completely new team working on them, and they will make story, and content and everything else and basically the Wc4 and the franchise Warcraft will be the mercy of this new artists who will make the game sellable, they will not make it great, they will not make it epic, the game will be an ordinary game with good graphics. And don't feed bullshit that SC2 is a great game because it ain't. The winning streak of "Game of the Year" for Blizzard has ended.


One bilion people playing WoW on retail... God. :pir:
 
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heck like any human being you want to evolve, you want to overcome your limits. So why (after 17 years of Warcraft) would you still want to be in the same Universe, and continue making Orcs and Elves to amuse 14 yr olds?

This doesn't make any sense. A universe isn't really a limit.
And I don't even like WoW, but the average player's age is 28, not 14.
 
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Name better recent rts than Starcraft II.

Oh I forgot... You cant.


Better than Starcraft 2? Hmm... Starcraft 1! :pir:


If you have 3 different types of shit on the table and you have to choose one to eat it, you suddently think that the shit is good? :pir: Sorry for my choice of words.

Let's face it Sc2 is Sc1 with pretty 3d graphics which are now a little less darker and a little more towards fantasy.

Sc2 is a pack of a multiplayer game, a singleplayer game and a level editor.

The level editor is good, it's just might be too complex but at the end of the day it's good.
The single player... with the exceptions of the missions and how everything flows within a mission... everything else is at it's worst (story, voice acting, how missions are structured, the full revamp from dark sci-fi to fantasy/sci-fi).
The multiplayer is good.... but it's not great as a game, because it has no new concepts. It's just the old concepts updated but not necessarily for better, but for different. The biggest change they brought in gameplay, was the Warp-In and the Queen.

Now as a pack which is like this, I would never pay the full price. I don't care about the voice of Tricia Helfer (who was brought in to appeal to the Galactica fans and for more public image) the voice acting of the old Kerrigan was much more better, I don't care about jumping debris, I don't care about 5 different death types. Those things don't show quality, they just show a lot of work. I would rather would not have 5 forms of death, but have a great story, would rather not have Tricia Helfer payed and have the old Kerrigan (for less money i might add). I would rather not have achivements but have a way different Terran race (currently I see no difference between SC:BW Terrand and SC2 Terran).

And the fact that SC2 is very popular, it has nothing to do with being a good game or not. It's very simple, people (regular people) want to invest into computers. They like computers, they like sitting at computers and so what do you think is great for them other then sitting on a computer and watching someone do something on a computer. Professional gaming (as a 'sport') will never reach the level of professional football (soccer for the US) in quality and entertainment. PC games might become at one point more popular than today's sports. But I think US Highschool teaches that popularity has nothing to do with serious quality.


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@Ramza, by Universe I ment franchise. When you are working with a fantasy franchise (like Warcraft or LotR) you are limited, you can't bring in the Predator or the Alien for example. Otherwise it becomes sci-fi/fantasy and that means revamping.

I also wasn't reffering to WoW, I was reffering to games in general. Not sure if the average age in WoW is 28, but anyway still, you can't say WoW is dedicated to mature people. I mean the content itself... trolls, orcs, elves, magic... that in no more mature than Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings (and btw, when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit and LOTR. he intended it to be for children). Maybe 14 is not the average age, but a child of 14 can fully understand WoW as a game.

And a little into off-topic now, the next patch in WoW is fail for me, because you will go through a series of three 5man heroics in order to attune yourself to the Deathwing raid. And basically in the first one you go into the future where Deathwing has won... and for me it's.. why would I ever want to go into the future? I mena... I think it's pretty clear that I want Deathwing dead... Deathwing caused the Cataclysm... that's good enough information for me to want him dead.. but okay we need to go into the future and defeat future Tyranda, Sylvanas, Jaina and Baine. Then in the second one I believe you visit the War of the Ancients... and you steal the Dragon Soul... and now wait a minute... I thought in the past two expansions we weren't allowed to temper with the past.... because otherwise in WotLK I would have opted to save Arthas. No Undead Arthas that means no Kel'thuzad revived that means Archimonde would still be alive but would not have entered this world, and Jaina would have a boyfriend. So all in all a much better trade right? But no.... now the laws of time travel change and you are allowed to change the past... that just feels for me that someone sat on the toilet, and while pooping came up with this ideea, and decided to serve it to me on a plattern in exchange for 15euro/month. No thx.
 

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Name better recent rts than Starcraft II.
Better than Starcraft 2? Hmm... Starcraft 1!

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Now as a pack which is like this, I would never pay the full price. I don't care about the voice of Tricia Helfer (who was brought in to appeal to the Galactica fans and for more public image) the voice acting of the old Kerrigan was much more better, I don't care about jumping debris, I don't care about 5 different death types. Those things don't show quality, they just show a lot of work. I would rather would not have 5 forms of death, but have a great story, would rather not have Tricia Helfer payed and have the old Kerrigan (for less money i might add). I would rather not have achivements but have a way different Terran race (currently I see no difference between SC:BW Terrand and SC2 Terran).

I completely agree with this part.
 
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And the fact that SC2 is very popular, it has nothing to do with being a good game or not. It's very simple, people (regular people) want to invest into computers. They like computers, they like sitting at computers and so what do you think is great for them other then sitting on a computer and watching someone do something on a computer.
Professional gaming (as a 'sport') will never reach the level of professional football (soccer for the US) in quality and entertainment. PC games might become at one point more popular than today's sports. But I think US Highschool teaches that popularity has nothing to do with serious quality.

Popularity doesn't necessarily have something to do with quality. But that doesn't mean something popular can't be good. Look at Half-Life 2, for example.

I'm not saying Starcraft II is good though. I haven't played it yet. :p

I also wasn't reffering to WoW, I was reffering to games in general. Not sure if the average age in WoW is 28, but anyway still, you can't say WoW is dedicated to mature people. I mean the content itself... trolls, orcs, elves, magic... that in no more mature than Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings (and btw, when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit and LOTR. he intended it to be for children). Maybe 14 is not the average age, but a child of 14 can fully understand WoW as a game.

Gotta correct one thing here. The Hobbit was written for his children, yeah. But not the LotR books. Those were for adults.
Do you honestly think the LotR movies are immature? Because critics and the majority of people would disagree (check IMDb's user ratings). Or what about Pan's Labyrinth? A fantasy horror, with faeries.

The WoW player age thing was just a google search. Didn't really look into it or anything.
 
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And the fact that SC2 is very popular, it has nothing to do with being a good game or not. It's very simple, people (regular people) want to invest into computers.
It still isnt "popular" in the way like cod and other crap. It is just enough popular to be a known game.

Professional gaming (as a 'sport') will never reach the level of professional football (soccer for the US) in quality and entertainment. PC games might become at one point more popular than today's sports. But I think US Highschool teaches that popularity has nothing to do with serious quality.

In Korea they dont even know what the fuck is soccer. Competitive gaming will have bigger role in the future. But most likely nothing superior. I myself rather watch people playing vidya (Starcraft II in this case) than people who are running after a ball.
 
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Gotta correct one thing here. The Hobbit was written for his children, yeah. But not the LotR books. Those were for adults.
Do you honestly think the LotR movies are immature? Because critics and the majority of people would disagree (check IMDb's user ratings). Or what about Pan's Labyrinth? A fantasy horror, with faeries..

Nope.

Tolkien was working on Sillmarillion, he sent it to the editor, who said "Hey you know, I like some ideas from this book, but I think it's better of you write a tale about this creatures, like a children's book." And that's how the Hobbit was born. LotR is just the sequel to the Hobbit, a little more serious but still, a 14 year old can read and understand those stories easily. Just because supposedly mature people like LOTR that doesn't mean that the book isn't meant for kids.

:pir: See what I did there? :pir:

I don't know anything about Pan's Labyrinth, that's why I didn't mention it. But again, the editor read about the dwarves, elves and so on... and he thought that a Hobbit main character would be excellent for a children's story. Later... grown-ups with miserable routine lives flee reality into the world of fiction, and that fiction happens to be the Hobbit, LotR... it doesn't make it better, and it still makes it a children's book.

They say in a good book, everytime you re-read it, you discover something new about it, you understand something new. Well... I read the Hobbit and LOTR at about 14-15... and I could never re-read them because I would just remember all the action and there was no deeper meaning to the book/story above the one which I understood at 14-15.
 
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Ok lets stay in the topic.

I was so bored that I started war3.exe and tried to host one of my maps. After 10 minutes of hosting only one person joined. Conculsion? Warcraft III is still alive:) Oh wait what...
 

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Tolkien was working on Sillmarillion, he sent it to the editor, who said "Hey you know, I like some ideas from this book, but I think it's better of you write a tale about this creatures, like a children's book." And that's how the Hobbit was born. LotR is just the sequel to the Hobbit, a little more serious but still, a 14 year old can read and understand those stories easily. Just because supposedly mature people like LOTR that doesn't mean that the book isn't meant for kids.

''Tolkien at first intended The Lord of the Rings to be a children's tale in the style of The Hobbit, but it quickly grew darker and more serious in the writing. Though a direct sequel to The Hobbit, it addressed an older audience''. -NY times

Fantasy doesn't have to be for children. It's a narrow-minded way of thinking.

They say in a good book, everytime you re-read it, you discover something new about it, you understand something new. Well... I read the Hobbit and LOTR at about 14-15... and I could never re-read them because I would just remember all the action and there was no deeper meaning to the book/story above the one which I understood at 14-15.

So if you read a book for the tenth time, and you can't discover anything new, it's suddenly a bad book?


Ok lets stay in the topic.

I was so bored that I started war3.exe and tried to host one of my maps. After 10 minutes of hosting only one person joined. Conculsion? Warcraft III is still alive:) Oh wait what...

With a map title like that you're asking for it. :p
 
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Super-sheep, i don't know what map you hosted, nor where you play (bnet or garena or something else). But i, myself, when host a map... i only wait 1 minute and at least 2 people join... and more join afterwards... the problem is if they are new to the map, some may leave in the middle of the game (because they get obfuscated that they don't know to play it). I play on garena and it's mostly full of playing around here, mostly popular maps, but i can get people to also play unpopular and good maps :)
 
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Also, games/mods would need some to to develop so we'll probably see their full potential soon in the future, meaning that Warcraft III would just be quite difficult to die off considering the vast majority of mods being developed and improved on:)
 

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And, I think that it's already a known fact that (almost) nobody likes trying out new maps (Except for whole THW, ofc, it makes sence).

I can name you few maps, which get hosted all the times, and people join it quickly:
DotA (Ok that one was way too obvious xD)
Green TDs
Legion TD
Troll and Elves
Naruto shits
Blizzards' Melee maps
Tom and Jerry
Vampirism

This is just on garena.
 
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