Hero Contest #5 - Science Fiction

[Xian]

how to join to that contest

just say that you want to join... simple...

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Hmmm, I've gotten stomped today by something I assume is a bug in vJASS.

For simplicity this is my setup:

//Parent struct
struct foo
    boolean wantDestroy

    //This is the stub method where the wtf-BOOM happens.
    //Note that nothing happens in this struct, but the struct that inherits this method.
    stub method derp takes nothing returns boolean
        return false //The return is irrelephant
    endmethod

    //This method is run by a timer. Every 0.04 second.
    static method run takes nothing returns nothing
        local thistype t
        //I do some shit. "t" is not null btw.
        .
        .
        .
        if t.derp() then //Here I'm calling the stub method
            //This is irrelephant
            .
            .
            .
        endif
        //At this point t.wantDestroy is false
        if t.wantDestroy then
            //Doesn't run D:
        endif
    endmethod
endstruct

//Child struct
struct bar extends foo

    //Here I override the default derp
    method derp takes nothing returns boolean
        set this.wantDestroy = true //As you can see, the wantDestroy member is set to TRUE
        //I do more shit that is TOTALLY unrelated to this struct, the parent struct or any of their members
        .
        .
        .
        //this.wantDestroy is still true at this point
        return false //The return is irrelephant
     endmethod

endstruct

Basically, I allocate a "bar" object and then let the internal functions of "foo" take over. The overridden derp function does run, and "this.wantDestroy" is true right before the return. I would also like to clarify that nothing happens between the call to t.derp() and the check for t.wantDestroy. However, if I remove the UNRELATED stuff in the derp method, then t.wantDestroy suddenly becomes true, like it should be.

Sometimes I want to kick Vex in the face.

 

[cohadar]

Sometimes I want to kick Vex in the face.

The four things that make vJass better than jass: globals, struct, scope, library.

Notice that keyword method is not in the list.

Game scripting is inherently functional, OO concepts are just a waste of time here.
There is a reason structs are called structs and not objects.

EDIT:
Btw does this strange contest even have judges yet?

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Actually, now that you mention it. Structs is another thing that makes me want to kick him in the face. What we're using is not structs, but classes. Oh, and scopes suck btw :>

Also, I already know vJASS is better than JASS. That wasn't the point with that sentence, but things like stub methods suddenly reverting changes just because they can, is not a good feature.

---

I would like to clarify something too. I'm quite sure you guys may think that the totally unrelated things going on in that method is some big shit that might actually be the cause of the error. That's not the case :>
The only thing happening is the allocation of a different struct, and the only thing passed to it, is coordinates. This struct is in no way related to the parent struct or child struct.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Am I wrong, or this is the wrong thread to discuss Vex's oversights?

Anyways, balance is compared to other Warcraft III Ladder Heroes?

 

[baassee]

lol @ The_Reborn_Devil, never had the use of the stub keyword and super (if I remember correct). The D-thingies are the key and modules, extending sucks overall

 

[yafreak85]

can i use a custom model for the Hero contest from the hive as long as i give the maker of the model credit?

 

[The Reborn Devil]

can i use a custom model for the Hero contest from the hive as long as i give the maker of the model credit?

you're able to use any resources publicly available in THW database, except for spells.

That means yes.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Everyone oversaw my question: is balance compared to other ladder heroes?

 

[baassee]

Everyone oversaw my question: is balance compared to other ladder heroes?

Yes as usually I guess.

 

[nerovesper]

I am joining this contest.

btw, heroes should be what? are the strength of the spells must be balance as warcraft melee map heroes?

 

[Pharaoh_]

Yes.

(such a large post, in fact I'm typing this now, because it wouldn't let me post that alone)

 

[nerovesper]

futuristic ey... how does Flux, Radius, or Axis sound for the name? using math terms for the name. XD

 

[Pharaoh_]

Sounds cool and original.

 

[nerovesper]

uh, forgot... does custom models have to be from this site only?

 

[Pharaoh_]

No, but they have to be acceptable, not anything extracted from other games.

 

[-Kobas-]

I finally imported good model nicely.
On first look it won't be much like SPACE/ALIEN or whatever but it's more like future version of wc3 unit.

I coded my first spell as well

 

[Dirac]

Is balance being evaluated? Why? It only matters if the spell is modifiable so the user can adapt it to it's own requirements.
It's obviously stupid (and this should be taken into consideration) to code a spell that does things like "cast this 3 times and you win the game" or "kill enemy unit instantly"
It shouldn't matter if the spell causes 10000 damage as long as you can change it
Also, judges, expect a lot of advanced code from me, my hero is already very confusing (extensive unreleased custom libraries and such)

 

[baassee]

Still the initial values should be balanced compared to standard heroes. No question about it, always been like that.

 

[-Kobas-]

Still the initial values should be balanced compared to standard heroes. No question about it, always been like that.

And this will never change, idea is to create hero that can anytime replace blizzard created one.

Anyway I coded my 2nd spell, work awesome.
I get used to this vJass thing

Btw those spells will be presented in my SotP map as well (in different shape ofc)

 

[nerovesper]

It only matters if the spell is modifiable so the user can adapt it to it's own requirements.

Should it be really like that? I thought this was a hero contest, an individual interpretation of a hero. "Your" interpretation of what a unique balanced hero is and not someone else who can modify it.

The only thing that should matter in spell judging in a hero contest is that the spell code is working based on Hive's standards, spell's synergy with your hero, appearance, and balance... I guess.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Should it be really like that? I thought this was a hero contest, an individual interpretation of a hero. "Your" interpretation of what a unique balanced hero is and not someone else who can modify it.

The only thing that should matter in spell judging in a hero contest is that the spell code is working based on Hive's standards, spell's synergy with your hero, appearance, and balance... I guess.

Configurability is part of Hive's standards.

 

[nerovesper]

in the sentence i said "the spell code is working based on Hive's standards"

i meant in this sentence the way it works and not the whole hive standards.
saying that the spell is working, that is in the level of hive's minimum standards. ^_^

 

[The Reborn Devil]

I finally found the cause of the weird bug I got. Apparently allocating a struct within a stub method causes the thread to split. The boolean, despite being global, is only true within the context of the thread. In some cases the thread also crashes, preventing the bool from ever being set to true. The struct is still allocated though.

Edit: Hoho, found out why allocating the struct caused the thread split. After a shitton of debugging I finally found out that it in fact attempted to use a nil index. I wish wc3 would throw exceptions ._.

So, it wasn't Vex's fault after all, but I still want to kick him in the face :>

 

[baassee]

saying that the spell is working, that is in the level of hive's minimum standards. ^_^

Nope it's not. It should be fully MUI and configurable towards multiple levels. The standards are not the same as they were a few years ago (thanks spellmods, finally).

@TRD

I don't even get why you need to extend the struct... (you probably have some evil plan behind it after all)

We all wanna kick Vex in the face

 

[Dirac]

I always extend structs and write the allocation methods.
I just finished a sick projectile system i'll be using for my hero.
It's sick.

 

[mckill2009]

Since the deadline is still far, Ima begin makin things at the end of this month coz too busy right now...

Im plannin to mimic the spells for ironman, is it OK?...

 

[Pharaoh_]

Yeah, it is. ;]

 

[rysnt11]

i guess i reserve a spot here for my hero:

this hero is based on this model by amazing Fingolfin

Order	skill 1	skill 2	skill 3	ultimate
Name	Adrenal Inject	TE-AS-0098	Terrazine Armor	Grenade man
Description	Extent the power of the marauders, Tim inject the adrenaline to his vein, making him more vulnerable, but swifter than anyone	TE-AS-0098 stands for "Terran Engineered-assassination squad-project number 0098" artificially target an enemy unit, trap it, and call (Unit level*3) Goblin like Robot to deal 10-10/20-20/30-30 Chaos Damage, these tiny robot last for 5 s, it has 1.25 s attack speed	The armor of marauders are made from unknown material named "Terrazine", this rare ore constantly changes due to heat, cold, even damage, this armor grant marauder +2/3/4 armor, when damaged the marauders may convert half of the damage to redamage the enemies at 20/25/30% chance	The title not just only a title, Tim is really a grenade man, when learned gives additional 3 skill to tim
Cost	Health: 25% from max HP	mana:100	no mana	no mana
Cooldown	25s	50s	0	0
Last	15s	5s	0	0
Effect	Add +15/20/25% Increased Attack Speed, and 20/25/30% Increased Movement speed, but take 30% more damage	In the Description	Return Half of the damage taken to the attacker at 20/25/30% Chance, and also add additional 2/3/4 armor	Add 3 additional skill

Additonal skill

• Frost Grenade - Target unit
  Tim throw a frost grenade contains liquid nitrogen that quickly explode on impact, slowing any unfortunate enough enemies that stand still near the target for 75%, deal 150 damage
  mana cost: 120
• Fire Grenade - Target unit
  Tim throw a fire grenade that contain molten lava, deal 250 damage and additional 50 damage to any enemies around the target
  mana cost:100
• Flash Grenade - Target point
  Tim Throw a flash grenade, the grenade explode on impact and blind any enemies around 450 AoE, making them miss for 60% of their attack
  mana cost:150

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Adrenaline works on robotic beings made of pure metal? You also need to balance a lot, and implement something unique.

About those "Why are you helping your current enemy" questions: Just because I can and want.

 

[rysnt11]

Adrenaline works on robotic beings made of pure metal? You also need to balance a lot, and implement something unique.

He's a human after all

Role of SC2

About those "Why are you helping your current enemy" questions: Just because I can and want.

Lol'd
+REP

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Okay guys, I had some time to give this contest a slight touch of order. You can use this to get your entry nicer and easier for judges to understand, but it's not a must. Have fun!


Note: This is not my entry. This hero is taken from unreleased version of Legendary War map (mine).

Preview of vB code for entries:

[TD][/TD]

Elainiel, the Moon Rose

[TD][/TD]

Agility:	15 (+1,2 per lvl)
Strength:	16 (+1,7 per lvl)
Intelligence:	21 (+3,1 per lvl)
Attack Range:	128 (melee)
Affiliation:	Night Elf
Hero Role:	Offensive Caster

	Shooting Stars	Calls down a wave of stars to crush enemies in the desired area. Damage is increased by 20% during night.
	Lunation Blade	Summons a spectral blade to cut a deep wound upon each enemy it passes through, until it reaches targeted unit. Each unit suffers armor loss and takes damage. Casting range is increased by 30% during night.
	Phase Cycle	Allows caster to shift out of existence, moving at maximum movement speed and with complete transparency, for a short duration. Enemy units that attack caster will suffer reduced magical resistance. Allows casting upon allies during night.
	Moon Finale	Unleashes full potency of lunar powers upon a single target, dealing massive damage. Penetrates magical immunity during night.

Hero compiles with whole Night Elven population, excelling at battles during Nighttime. Drawbacks are very low attack range, unlike other Night Elves, low armor and slightly lesser movement. Blah blah blah. Just like that.

Un-parsed vB code

[box="Your name's Entry"][TABLE][tr][TD][COLOR="LightBlue"]Hero Icon[/COLOR][/tr][/TD][/TABLE][TABLE][tr][TD][COLOR="LightBlue"]Hero Name, the Hero Class Name[/COLOR][/tr][/TD][/TABLE]

[table][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Agility[/COLOR]:[c]xx (+y,z per lvl)[r][COLOR="Lime"]Strength[/COLOR]:[c]xx (+y,z per lvl)[r][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Intelligence[/COLOR]:[c]xx (+y,z per lvl)[r] [c] [r] [c] [r] [c] [r]Attack Range:[c]xyz[r] Affiliation:[c]Race[r]Hero Role:[c]*[/table]

[table]ICON[c]First Ability[c]Describe what the skill and sub-skills do, if there are any. My suggestion is to not write mana cost, cooldown and other un-needed information for display only.[r]ICON[c]Second Ability[c]Describe what the skill and sub-skills do, if there are any. My suggestion is to not write mana cost, cooldown and other un-needed information for display only.[r]ICON[c]Third Ability[c]ADescribe what the skill and sub-skills do, if there are any. My suggestion is to not write mana cost, cooldown and other un-needed information for display only.[r]ICON[c]Fourth Ability[c]Describe what the skill and sub-skills do, if there are any. My suggestion is to not write mana cost, cooldown and other un-needed information for display only.[/table]

[table]Anything desired can be placed here: synergies, balance discussions, further explanations, or whatever suits your needs. You can put an image of model you used in here.[/table][/box]

*The most famous roles: Support, Caster, Tanker, Ganker, Initiator, Summoner. Known tags: Universal, Defensive, Offensive, Backfire, Closerange, Booster, Sweeper.

 

[nerovesper]

@Apheraz Lucent yea, this is very helpful. will use these tags. clean, good to look at, cool.

how about nukes role? xD because my hero's spells are mostly aoe, wait i think all of them aoe, because of his name "Radius Axis" the Temporis Artifex/or something something. Haven't quite thought of a good hero name.

I think i'm gonna go for this one if no one used it yet Elemental Fencer or this Lightning Elemental

@rysnt11 those are some serious fire power. btw, the ulti has 3 more abilities? very tempting to copy but i think originality has counts here. haha xD

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Well, finding a proper Role is very easy. First you go with main ones, which would be a Caster in your case. Then just add up the tags: Offensive and AoE. The result would be: Offensive AoE Caster.

Simple, huh?

 

[rysnt11]

@nerovesper: no, it give you 3 ability, instead of 1

 

[baassee]

@nerovesper: no, it give you 3 ability, instead of 1

Just like the hero in DotA but this is with the ultimate. Did I get this correct?

 

[rysnt11]

Yeah, but differently packed
Nevermore's first skill giving him 3 smiliar abilty
my hero skill giving 3 totaly different ability

 

[soothesunday]

In my opinion, it would be good to appoint judges before a contest is launched.

?????

 

[Xian]

?????

That is by hand the weirdest post in the history of the hive workshop,you could've atleast said like "Why would it be to appoint judges before the contest starts?"

Anyway any hero updates? i've only seen Rysnt11's and some guys picking their models

 

[rysnt11]

As far...
I could only see TDR's and mine entry...
Sorry if i mis read the other entry..

 

[Xian]

As far...
I could only see TDR's and mine entry...
Sorry if i mis read the other entry..

You meant TRD (the reborn devil) right?
haven't seen his post,can you permalink it?

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Well, I am still working on the skin for my entry. A little spoiler is that this entry is going to be hot. Not literary, thought :3

 

[nerovesper]

Anyway any hero updates? i've only seen Rysnt11's and some guys picking their models

The due date is still too far, I guess.
How about you?

 

[Spartipilo]

My first contest. I'll go with This model

 

[Xian]

The due date is still too far, I guess.
How about you?

LOL i'm not even a contestant... i'm just here to check

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Well, why don't you come out of the closet and try to get above the others?

 

[rysnt11]

off topic, to apheraz

Well, why don't you come out of the closet and try to get above the others?

I think you was meant closest

On topic
I have balanced the hero on my editor, now, editing the hero info on my post

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Offtopic

I meant closet. Not closest

Anyways, has anyone asked for judging already?

 

[rysnt11]

@apheraz:baasee is one of the judge, if dirac didn't join as participant, then he will do the judging
edit:
Hero update: Almost all the object orientated data has been done
now going to trigger phase.

 

[Arti3DPlayer]

Where i can to publish a hero?