Beyond the Throne: Tides of Darkness

ShadowShaman.mn · Jan 11, 2015

Kam said:
I'm not sure, I think I was complimented.

It was my entry for the review competition. My review is a rather creative one, so I expect a prize!

Kam · Jan 12, 2015

ShadowShaman.mn said:
It was my entry for the review competition. My review is a rather creative one, so I expect a prize!

Of course! -_o

As the contest is ongoing I have been restricted to working on terrain. Ruined Lock has had some upgrades including:

-Fixing submerged unit pathing in the northeast section
-The addition of two new land bridges
-Removal of tall doodads anywhere but the map edge to prevent air unit clipping
-Tavern and marketplace relocation
-Removal of creep camps from Marketplaces
-Addition of two new creep camps

Kyrbi0 · Jan 13, 2015

ShadowShaman.mn said:
It was my entry for the review competition. My review is a rather creative one, so I expect a prize!

I chuckled.

leonidas555551 · Feb 9, 2015

Hi Kam! love your work, just thought id pop in and say this: the orcs dont have an ai. now i dont know if this listed somewhere but i just spent an hour making an army with 2 different actual players (my brother lost connection to the game, internet issues) and i stormed their base only to find their gold mine gone and both with just the basic setup (a base and 5 peons). now im frustrated a little bit because last time i played against humans and the lost and we (my brother and i) got smashed to bits by level 10 heroes and other tidbits. :| please fix. also i didnt know you added the naga which is what i played as (i like random) and i noticed they were slightly incomplete. again, I dont really read these forums much anymore so sorry if I have repeated something someone else said. yeah. thx for reading.

Kam · Feb 9, 2015

leonidas555551 said:
Hi Kam! love your work, just thought id pop in and say this: the orcs dont have an ai. now i dont know if this listed somewhere but i just spent an hour making an army with 2 different actual players (my brother lost connection to the game, internet issues) and i stormed their base only to find their gold mine gone and both with just the basic setup (a base and 5 peons). now im frustrated a little bit because last time i played against humans and the lost and we (my brother and i) got smashed to bits by level 10 heroes and other tidbits. :| please fix. also i didnt know you added the naga which is what i played as (i like random) and i noticed they were slightly incomplete. again, I dont really read these forums much anymore so sorry if I have repeated something someone else said. yeah. thx for reading.

Both of those issues will be resolved in the next release. I'm glad you enjoy the map!

darwin · Feb 17, 2015

Next release? When was the first release? I'd love to play this, is it out somewhere?

Remixer · Feb 17, 2015

Kam I am currently away from home so I have no chance on working on the new map but I'll try to renew my motivation as I get home after next sunday.

Kam · Feb 17, 2015

darwin said:
Next release? When was the first release? I'd love to play this, is it out somewhere?

You may download it in this thread, the map links are at the bottom:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/map-development-202/beyond-throne-tides-darkness-32321/

Remixer said:
Kam I am currently away from home so I have no chance on working on the new map but I'll try to renew my motivation as I get home after next sunday.

I appreciate your effort. Let me know how it goes.

Kam · Feb 25, 2015

You may expect a substantial update in the next week that reflects Ken-E's thoughts and much more.

With experimental units being reworked into standard units heroes will now be the powerful units they are in vanilla wc3. I am working on adjusting all of their ability stats to deal more damage and generally be a more significant threat. Additionally standard unit spells will have higher mana costs, longer cooldowns, and parent units will have a smaller mana pool. This is to reduce ability spam, and to aid in making heroes more valuable.

Kyrbi0 · Feb 25, 2015

Kam said:
You may expect a substantial update in the next week that reflects Ken-E's thoughts and much more.

With experimental units being reworked into standard units heroes will now be the powerful units they are in vanilla wc3. I am working on adjusting all of their ability stats to deal more damage and generally be a more significant threat. Additionally standard unit spells will have higher mana costs, longer cooldowns, and parent units will have a smaller mana pool. This is to reduce ability spam, and to aid in making heroes more valuable.

Oh my good-golly-gosh...

You have a working copy of Mc!'s long-lost Goblin Warmech dude! Dude, I totally have been searching for that dude for, like, a dude-long time!

Can I get that in a Pastebin? (lol, this is your chance to force me to download a new copy of your map just so I can rip it xD). I would be mucho apreciado.

MogulKahn · Feb 26, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
Oh my good-golly-gosh...

You have a working copy of Mc!'s long-lost Goblin Warmech dude! Dude, I totally have been searching for that dude for, like, a dude-long time!

Can I get that in a Pastebin? (lol, this is your chance to force me to download a new copy of your map just so I can rip it xD). I would be mucho apreciado.

That was kind of rude, from a guy who needs something...

Kyrbi0 · Feb 26, 2015

MogulKahn said:
That was kind of rude, from a guy who needs something...

I don't see how it was rude; Kam and I go way back, I'm sure he understands my meaning.

More importantly, where in his post I quoted did you see something he needed? All I saw was an update of events & progress and a cool pic, with a model I've been searching for for quite some time now.

Kam · Feb 28, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
I don't see how it was rude; Kam and I go way back, I'm sure he understands my meaning.

More importantly, where in his post I quoted did you see something he needed? All I saw was an update of events & progress and a cool pic, with a model I've been searching for for quite some time now.

We are good. I did not know his model was lost. I can certainly upload it if you wish but it's still here: http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=108737

If there was one stock hero per race that you would include in my project what would they be?

TaShadan · Feb 28, 2015

If there was one stock hero per race that you would include in my project what would they be?

None! Heros suck!

Kyrbi0 · Mar 1, 2015

Kam said:
We are good. I did not know his model was lost. I can certainly upload it if you wish but it's still here: http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=108737

I would like an upload, because, if you'll hit that thread up, you'll find (much to your dismay) what we all have found; the file is corrupted (or something; the download doesn't work). : )

Kam said:
If there was one stock hero per race that you would include in my project what would they be?

1) Shadow Hunter
2) Shadow Hunter
3) SHADOW HUNTER

4) Dark Ranger
5) Crypt Lord
6) Warden
7) Firelord
8) Goblin Tinker
9) Goblin Alchemist.

Kam · Mar 6, 2015

Update out. Please let me know what you think of the many changes.

Edit: I had to update three maps to correct gameplay constants. Please re-download if you downloaded prior to this edit.

Kyrbi0 · Mar 8, 2015

Very cool. Question:

Kam said:
I've seen many Naga races but I have only seen one that felt complete.

Whose was that? Archmage Owenalacaster's, or Moyacks?

Kam · Mar 8, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
Very cool. Question:

Whose was that? Archmage Owenalacaster's, or Moyacks?

I'm not sure I've seen Archmage's, but yes I was referring to Moyack's.

Kam · Mar 23, 2015

What are the standard units you miss? I am looking to stock the Mercenary Camp with units and it makes sense based on the lore that some units would rather go independent than fight in another war.

deepstrasz · Mar 23, 2015

Wowy, looks awfully amazing.

Kyrbi0 · Mar 25, 2015

Kam said:
What are the standard units you miss? I am looking to stock the Mercenary Camp with units and it makes sense based on the lore that some units would rather go independent than fight in another war.

~~Master race~~ Trolls.

Kam · Mar 25, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
~~Master race~~ Trolls.

As in the Witch Doctor?

Kyrbi0 · Mar 26, 2015

Kam said:
As in the Witch Doctor?

Every-thing...

Kam · Mar 26, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
Every-thing...

Hah.

Well I have the Berserker still in Orc. Out of the standard racial units (Spell Breaker, Mountain Giant, Wyvern Rider, etc) which units would you see as breaking away like Ogres did after the Second War.

Kyrbi0 · Mar 26, 2015

Kam said:
Hah.

: )

Kam said:
Well I have the Berserker still in Orc. Out of the standard racial units (Spell Breaker, Mountain Giant, Wyvern Rider, etc) which units would you see as breaking away like Ogres did after the Second War.

In terms of "general coolness/uniqueness", definitely the Batrider. Hands down. In terms of "more interesting ideas for new abilities", probably the Witch Doctor.

Kam · Apr 25, 2015

New update out with one new terrain, and a revised older terrain. Thanks to Remixer on both!

Valandil · Apr 26, 2015

Kam said:
New update out with one new terrain, and a revised older terrain. Thanks to Remixer on both!

Great Work You Are Doing! I love the naga screen.

JCarrill0 · May 7, 2015

Kam said:
New update out with one new terrain, and a revised older terrain. Thanks to Remixer on both!

That guys does amazing work :thumbs_up:

Kam · May 25, 2015

I've updated to mainly fix Severed Isles.

I would like to know what more you would like to see out of my project. What types of units, spells, and concepts do you want to have access to? Where can I improve?

I want to develop a road map for the remainder of 2015. Where should I spend my time?

JCarrill0 · May 25, 2015

I will need to re-Download all your maps (it's been awhile since I played the updates)
(I think the last time I played was when me and you were on Bnet)

Kam · Jun 18, 2015

I'll be updating to fix a few problems. The most significant issue I've dealt with was a bizarre fatal error that ended up being caused by a how a specific unit was interacting with a spell.

On a side note if you had to choose the Pulverizer or the Giant Sea Turtle what would you keep?

Leo Akastenix · Jun 18, 2015

Totally Turtle; amphious is the key....

Pulverizer can be sunk easily by anti ship towers

MogulKahn · Jun 18, 2015

I vote for Turtle to stay!

Kam · Jun 20, 2015

Would you prefer to see some of the custom heroes replaced with modified vanilla heroes?

Heinvers · Jun 20, 2015

What do you have in mind?
Also turtle as well for remaining.

Leo Akastenix · Jun 20, 2015

No! Custom heroes are much better!!!
Im sick of seeng the boring old paladins, blood mages , and Blademasters!

Kam · Jun 20, 2015

Heinvers said:
What do you have in mind?
Also turtle as well for remaining.

I had someone say that the vanilla heroes were very well balanced so I was curious if any of my heroes seemed like they could be better.

Kam · Jun 28, 2015

New update today that makes some substantial changes and, I believe, has removed the last cause of fatal errors.

Attached is the building stat comparison excel file for this update.

Kam · Aug 13, 2015

Update out today. I am especially excited about the changes to Frozen Void.

Kam · Nov 16, 2015

Update out, enjoy!

If you have thoughts on the Tempered Guard ability list please let me know.

Deleted member 238226 · Nov 16, 2015

amazing project! gonna check this one out

Kam · Nov 25, 2015

Hey to let you all know there is now a host bot on U.S. East, and Europe. You have access to all current terrains any time you want!

Head to channel BTT to play.

Kam · Dec 4, 2015

I am working on the next update which includes a substantial change to the Human sea unit lineup:

Kyrbi0 · Dec 4, 2015

Subma-steamer-ine?

Kam · Dec 4, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
Subma-steamer-ine?

Haha. I'm keeping Argonaut as the name because I like it.

It's quite a fun unit to use now. I've been focusing on making every unit enjoyable to use. Argonauts, Pulverizers, and Ironbacks will also deal bonus damage to organic ground units to make the more attractive.

Kyrbi0 · Dec 4, 2015

'Argonaut' is definitely cooler; but you didn't mention a name so I offered a (j/k) suggestion.

Kam · Dec 4, 2015

Kyrbi0 said:
'Argonaut' is definitely cooler; but you didn't mention a name so I offered a (j/k) suggestion.

Suggestions are always welcome!

Have you had an opportunity to play recently?

Kyrbi0 · Dec 5, 2015

Kam said:
Suggestions are always welcome!

Have you had an opportunity to play recently?

:<...

Sorry. I haven't even touched Wc3 (except once to fact-check something) for months. :<

Kam · Dec 9, 2015

This is the upcoming lineup.

I've made a number of significant balance changes regarding Human sea units, and all siege units. The host bot is now displaying commands in lobby as well.

Kam · Dec 15, 2015

Update out!

Bad news: this will be the last update in 2015.

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