(2)Anvilridge v1.0

[OnyxTheDark]

Yo, been a while

Aethetics : Looks really good, we need more Dungeon tile maps, how about a mix between dead trees and mushrooms? Or mb fall trees

Gameplay : Free gold expo at start is a problem imo, would definitly favor some races over others
The lvl 8 wizard is not protected enough, could potentially regroup all 5 units and put him at the center
Right now he can be focused and the 4 units besides won't have a say in this

Items : I kinda dislike the fact you remove a lot of items from the pool
Perma 4 seems very strong for a lvl15 camp with no annoying abilities besides poison
I'd fit a lvl 7-8 in there with around 1k hp+ to hold a lvl 4 perma
So either reduce to lvl3 or increase camp diffculty

Same with the lvl 12, lvl 3perma on lvl 4 wolf not great, up the wolf to lvl6 to fix
You need to remember you've given free expand at start, so basically, any other expand is just farming rather than actual need

Anyway
Map seems fun to play, well made imo, not sure it can be considered competitive with the early expo
Well done mate

 

[Figglewig]

Yo, been a while

Aethetics : Looks really good, we need more Dungeon tile maps, how about a mix between dead trees and mushrooms? Or mb fall trees

Gameplay : Free gold expo at start is a problem imo, would definitly favor some races over others
The lvl 8 wizard is not protected enough, could potentially regroup all 5 units and put him at the center
Right now he can be focused and the 4 units besides won't have a say in this

Items : I kinda dislike the fact you remove a lot of items from the pool
Perma 4 seems very strong for a lvl15 camp with no annoying abilities besides poison
I'd fit a lvl 7-8 in there with around 1k hp+ to hold a lvl 4 perma
So either reduce to lvl3 or increase camp diffculty

Same with the lvl 12, lvl 3perma on lvl 4 wolf not great, up the wolf to lvl6 to fix
You need to remember you've given free expand at start, so basically, any other expand is just farming rather than actual need

Anyway
Map seems fun to play, well made imo, not sure it can be considered competitive with the early expo
Well done mate

Hey OnyxTheDark, good to see you!

Yeah for the aesthetics, I feel like I should use some more tree variety, but to match the aesthetics of the area I am trying to encapsulate it wouldn't make sense, everything is burnt to a crisp for the most part. I tried to fit in the fall trees, but I didn't feel they worked well.

The items are all established competitive 1v1 approved items, so they were removed on purpose for balance. As for the creep camp levels to item ratio, this is also something I have picked up on through playtesting my maps with a group of players. I found those higher level orange camps were too strong and would throw players off as not being a "true" orange camp. I balanced the creep camps around map flow and how to acquire level 2 and level 3. All of the orange camps guaranty a hero level 2 if you clear it, and the slightly tougher ones (the ones with item level 4) when paired with another weaker orange and green camp would guaranty level 3. So, I tried to set it up for having options adjacent to the tougher orange camps to reach level 3. Which is a large power spike for 1v1 matches.

The free expansion is something that while I know is very controversial, it is something to try and see how games would shake out. I am leaving the free goldmine there for the time being, but if it ultimately doesn't work out, it can be removed or have the value adjusted. The other goldmines are placed with the thought of the free goldmine being removed down the road, or just as extra expansions if it isn't.

I am glad to hear from you, and thank you for your kind words. I hope you get back into making some maps again, so I can check them out!

 

[OnyxTheDark]

Well, usually the creeping route is green towards 2, then expo 3, and then push
Quickly tried in solo, went 2 green to lvl 2, shop because no need for expo to 2.5 and then red camp cuz why not
Red picking wizard lvl 8 would guarantee 3 and then usually push, but push where? Cuz free expo, no expo to target, so idk

I still think you can't make it with normal strat, tho unfortunately I don't know of any other map with free expo
Hence I can't give proper inside out infos there

By the way, when I reinstally wc3 I did restart mapping straight, there's this double tile melee map I'm working on
But ended up doing all the campaigns cuz 2.0 f ed everything

 

[Figglewig]

I still think you can't make it with normal strat, tho unfortunately I don't know of any other map with free expo
Hence I can't give proper inside out infos there

Yeah so far in the playtest games, the free expansion hasn't been as big of an issue as I would have suspected. That being said, might just need more play time on it to find out, as they get more comfortable with the map.

By the way, when I reinstally wc3 I did restart mapping straight, there's this double tile melee map I'm working on
But ended up doing all the campaigns cuz 2.0 f ed everything

Fantastic, I look forward to see it. What tile sets are you using and what is the aesthetic/theme? Yeah I found I don't particularly care for the brightness of the Classic HD, definitely prefer the Classic SD style.

 

[OnyxTheDark]

Fantastic, I look forward to see it. What tile sets are you using and what is the aesthetic/theme?

Name is "Forbidden Library" with Sunken and Felwood Tiles/Aethetics with multiple creep groups from different tiles
Main struggle is the "Sunken structure" as I'm not used to work with this kind of aethetic
Here's a small Hint of how it will look

Also, I didn't work on xp/lvl/camp so, considering I know you're good with it, you will prolly be a big help for me there
Almost done with campaigns, 3 missions left, by the end of the week I'll be back on it

 

[Figglewig]

That's looking pretty cool so far Onyx. I would be happy to help whenever you want.

 

[deepstrasz]

The map layout might not impress but the feel and look is fresh.
Too many expansion gold mines isn't the best idea for a 1v1 IMO especially when some factions/races can get them faster. Only the red camp guarded one is to fight for between the players but mid-late game.

Approved.

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