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[Catch_ya]

yes ^^ if you ever have been playing Diablo II then you know the heal globe on each side of the screen. Right now im working on the same thing just with DGUI . I must say DGUI is a really effective. Sad that no one using it when submitting systems..

 

[Thyrael]

I talked to the creator of DGUI and told him about the above problem with the double selection of units. And together we were able to find the solution by using different unittypes for everybutton. I planned to add some kind of special HUD that shows your current target/focus with its name, hp/mana and some additional infos.

 

[Catch_ya]

interesting.. With different unit-types u mean like you have the normal Dummy DGUI. then u copy it and call it Dummy DGUI 2 or what ?

 

[Thyrael]

The name doesn't matter. Only the rawcode. don't use ccapital letters, cause they code a herounit. That means you gain a tooltip showing name/level of the button while hovering over it. Use lower case letters like but1, but2, but3...

 

[Catch_ya]

yea i understand you mean like rawcode of peasant is hpea and for paladin is (H)pal a capital H meaning its a hero..

 

[Thyrael]

Yes. Use normal unittypes for the buttons and you are fine.

 

[Catch_ya]

ok thanks for the tip! and i must admin that DGUI is a thing that just changes warcraft 3 because it unlocks so many possabilities. I havent really used the DGUI text yet.. i think i will go try it out.

 

[CBX Entertainment]

yes ^^ if you ever have been playing Diablo II then you know the heal globe on each side of the screen. Right now im working on the same thing just with DGUI . I must say DGUI is a really effective. Sad that no one using it when submitting systems..

show something, if you have success

 

[Catch_ya]

mhm the only problem with it is that i must take 20 screenshots with less health everytime pick those out of the picture set it in 20 new pictures. but i dont know how to make alpha in pictures so i cant right now. but i know it will work.. its just replacing a unit if the hp get less than 90% or something

 

[Slaydon]

im sorry if i didnt pay attention, do you mean you can set the name to a rawcode and just make it a tooltip with |n 's?

 

[Catch_ya]

what do you mean with setting its tooltip with |n's?

 

[Slaydon]

if i make the name of a unit to LOL|nHACKS|nOMG
it will show ingame;
LOL
HACKS
OMG, so if you set the name to a rawcode as description and add alot of information, the name will be extended?

 

[Catch_ya]

oh i know what a linebreak/|n is the problem with using |n's in the name is that a name cant be longer than a special amount of characters, i think its 14

 

[Vercas]

Thyrael, this is the *i don't know how much* time you don't listen to me.
For god's sake, I am not that n00b!
Of course I know those are units but you can add full, more than 2-lines-long tooltips to them by editing a file from the map, and not editing it in the editor!

 

[Catch_ya]

you mean like this ?
hovering tooltips

 

[Slaydon]

Oh dude, Thyrael, the double click button thingy, if you just make the buttons an enemy, you cant double click em :>

 

[Catch_ya]

gotta test ^^.. btw slaydon i didnt know you were doing DGUI too

 

[Slaydon]

heh, i love the idea so i have to try it, ive got no experience with it tho, just got the cordinates i needed for placing what i needed

 

[Catch_ya]

well if you know the coordinates, then if you just have a little jass knowledge then you can easily attach something to the units. just use the example and you'll be fine good luck!

 

[Vercas]

you mean like this ?
hovering tooltips

Exactly.
I've tested it on units and it proved to work.

 

[Thyrael]

@ Slaydon, the issue occured while the button where neutral or enemy as well... It depends on the fact that the engine switches the selected unit, if the collison spheres of two units overlay each other... and i solved that problem by giving a unique unittype to every button.

@ Vercas, I never said you were an idiot. But what sense do static tooltips make? Cause the I would need a unittype for every possible spell/item I can put into the actionbar. And that simply would be to many... I don't want tooltips in the actionbar, cause in every fullscreen menu is a replica of the current actionbar and those bars have tooltips. Trust me, I quite thought a lot about that part

 

[Vercas]

Ok, now I understand why you don't want static tooltips.
And I know you never said I am an idiot, but I've pointed out that I know what I am talking about.

 

[cirtaP]

Hi, i like the idea and im waiting for the beta. And i wanna now is this an open beta?

My other question goes to the others here. Would u like a database for this map? i mean something like this.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

This text is huge... so i don't have time to look at it all. Can you say me is this map gonna be on german langulage, or english?

 

[Thyrael]

This text is huge... so i don't have time to look at it all. Can you say me is this map gonna be on german langulage, or english?

First version will be in english. Maybe I will localize it after that, meaning having voice actors speaking the dialogs etc. And to your question about the releasedate... There is no release date yet. We are working on the demo, but it still needs some time. Take a look into the terrain showcase for screens out of the demo map.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

I have seen them, they rock like everything, and thanks on answer, english is what i need cause i don't know german. :S
But multiplayer map is gonna have same systems? or you will remake them?

 

[Thyrael]

The problem is not having the systems running for MP, the problem is the limitation of 8mb. At least the hero model f.e. with around 70 animations takes ~ 800 KB without textures Further due to the fact you can't use gamecahes etc in MP the savesystem would require a code made out of around 300 digits to save every needed information for a single hero. And I doubt anybode want to type that string hrhr. A possible mp version woulb be having pre defined classes to choose from => only 1 talentree per hero. So you and your party can raid different dungeons and "transfer" your heroes between them. Again, this is only what is possible, not that what will happen to darkwind. At least not in close future.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Waooo that's gonna be huge map! (maps). And 70 animations... DC must be, no better RPG of this... (for me)

 

[Manoo]

Hi thryeal, i know how to make for you model differnet faces whitout creating thousand textures, try to use double materials, first material (texture with face varation), Second replacable for armors (make sure you armor texture face are alpha) with this idea you able to create the races. Now i have another idea try to split your model to two peaces (Pelvis and Chest) and you won't need to create lot of textures, Sorry for my grama i hope you understand my idea.

 

[Thyrael]

@Manoo my models allready use one texture for faces etc. and another for the testof the body And splitting the model into halfs would be bad, cause it will cause holes during the animations etc. Having some kind of robotic unit this way might work, but not with a living, biologic mesh/shape. Nevertheless thanks for your tips

 

[Manoo]

If your splite model very good , and they make animations in same time, no holes will be during animation. I had tried this
moving and have holes).

 

[Thyrael]

Hm, you are right. I will test it this way: creating the complete model in one file and animate it. But than exporting torso and legs in seperate mdx files. By that way the animations will automatically match in length and name. This will open nice new death animations like being cut into half and much better: attacking while running

 

[Vercas]

Hm, you are right. I will test it this way: creating the complete model in one file and animate it. But than exporting torso and legs in seperate mdx files. By that way the animations will automatically match in length and name. This will open nice new death animations like being cut into half and much better: attacking while running

That would be possible with one model too...
(Splitting the mesh?)

 

[Thyrael]

Sure it can be done in one model, but than there is still the problem of needing hundrets of textures. For now I was able to have the hero being a combination of torso, legs, hands, head and cloak. Now I'm able to have a replaceable texture of each of these parts. In combination with the attachments it now looks very similar to WoW f.e. Further the hero now has animated hands with fingers. Not really needed, but looks simply better

@ vercas, indeed I'm creating the complete heromodel in one file. than I simple export the parts of it I want to have in a seperate model. And in the game they are plugged togehter again with there animations being synched.

 

[Manoo]

So i think my idea helped to you
Edit: but remember if you use ''attacking while running'' your animation can't move root or will be holes. If you use 2 stand animation, make sure root in all your stand animation vartions will be same, couse all model do stand animations in random. Or make stand animation do whit triggers.

 

[Thyrael]

Yeah, I had that idea some while ago myself, but decided that it will fail. But thanks to you I did rethink how to create the needed models. And now it works.

The hero model will now be a combination of head, chest + arms, legs + feet, hands and cloak. By that way I can have a normal and a replaceable texture for every of those models/units. The problem with desynching animations was solved as well by writing a system that synchronizes them. So thanks to you.

 

[Manoo]

Whit head replaceable textures you can use different faces )
Edit: By the way maybe can i be a beta tester?

 

[Thyrael]

aehm, yes... that was the plan by using a headmodel And for the beta tester thingy, soon I'll open a thread where interested people can leave a post to apply as a beta tester.

 

[Manoo]

Make some different camera views and try to make AI players.

 

[Vercas]

How much until the demo?

 

[Thyrael]

How much until the demo?

Can't and won't give out an ETA. But I can say we making good progress. Right now the terraining takes most of the time. Most of the systems can simply copy&pasted into the demo.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Can't and won't give out an ETA. But I can say we making good progress. Right now the terraining takes most of the time. Most of the systems can simply copy&pasted into the demo.

Awesome awesome awesome! awesome awesome awesome! You're geinus, just one thing, i think that fighting can be the problem, maybe it isn't gonna be fun, but that's because i have seen the video and it's small so, i can't tell you much, but what you think about an idea. To in triggers, pickevery tree on on map, and then, add grass arround it, not much for each integer about 3. It will lower the map size, then the slowing of WE, but in game it's gonna ROCK! And about the map, i think that awesome thing will be exploring the map, and, what you think about disabling minimap, and using a something like a map preview, i mean like when you activate a spell called map, the map will be showed on the center of screen. Another thing, what you think about when you get too close to the end of the map, to just move you somewhere to another place of the end of map, so you can travel forever , and are you gonna maybe use a an little terrain generator somewhere, it will be awesome cause you will be able to everytime when you play have a another terrain and that would be awesome, i have learned to animate, if you're gonna need an help about that, i can, just to say I am GMT +1 And my school is early in the morning, but PM me or answer here, I'll read Continue with work!

 

[Thyrael]

Woah, long post

About your suggestion for placing the gras via trigger. You can't place doodads via trigger, only destructables. And destructables in large numbers will slow the map. That means things like vegetation will be placed as doodads in the editor.

Of course the minimap will be hidden in the demo (real game). And yes, after you managed to gain a map, you'll be able to via a fullscreen map with an indicator of your current position.

Every region in the gameworld will contain of at least one map. If you reach the borders of such a submap, you'll be ask if you want to travel to ne next map. That will unclude a small load time, but will give you a nice illusion of travalling a huge world.

And finally about your offering of help, maybe you can send me some examples of your work. DW models has a very special model style, mine style so I have to make sure, that all models will fit in right. Just send me some pics if you want to.

Nevertheless thanks for you suggestions.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

1. Yes i knew that, but i forgot that you it will slow, and that you will need to change all effects into the destruticbles
2. COOOOOOOOL
3. AWEEEEEESOMEEEEEEEEEE
4. Would do something now, but what model would i use to show you animations, i have an villager that uses his hand to pick up a secondary weapon from quiver and some animations like that, could make an animation now. I can't make a video, and picture would suck so i will send you a model.
5. LONG POST AGAIN
Edit : I remembered about a running and attacking, and that things, i am gonna make that animation I am not gonna use a an custom unit or anything just a swordsman, to show you how does it looks and works
Edit 2 : Do you have msn?

 

[Manoo]

Ye whit splited body you can make, then hero runing draws the weapon from back. I tried this look cool
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxntx9Zm3Vo&feature=player_embedded your cape model look like a paper no emotions, try to use particales
And here's my map, it's action game, but look at rexxar his walking and attacking (Rexxar animations is from warcraft soo his root

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Manoo why i can't open or test the map??
I have 1.24e version but it says me something about UnitAnimationSet XXXXX idk...

 

[Thyrael]

Cause he used UMWS or RTC to create that map.

I tested it. Using a particel emitter for the cloak is a nice idea, but the new hero model, not that one you saw in the preview, has an animated cloak as well. So no need to recreate it with a particel emitter. And because I have my actionbar, I don't need to have the hero attacking by clicking the ground. You'll can click the actionbarbutton, or left/right click your selected target.

 

[Manoo]

It was example for attacking moving how it's look like .
I'm little bit fan of your work, i like helping you maybe you need help whit models, couse very hard to create campaigns whith costom model Here's my model.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Manoo pls learn to write it is writing ''with'',''custom'',''attacking''...

 

[Thyrael]

@Manoo, I suggest, that you study some more anatomy. The upper body is way to streched. The arms are much to long. The muscleplacement on the upper arms is wretched. And plz don't get me wrong, but it looks like the try of a copy of the heromodel I made. Sorry, if I'm wrong.