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WARCRAFT III: REFORGED PATCH NOTES

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Shar Dundred

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As I have already mentioned multiple times:
Blizzard already claimed that copyright since the first new, not Reforged patch.
That claim is not new.


The thing is that Blizzard may claim it, how valid that claim is, is a completely different story.
It is a bad move but it is a questionable attempt at best.
 
Welp, guess pretty much that.

Anyway, I just find it weird that on the other side of the block, with all the micro-messery over at the NE, I haven't heard much of Blizz interference on it. Chinese players might be able to confirm for me the validity of this.

Also, what of Dz natives? Just curious if they are touching that thing or not.
 
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Are people still upset about the removed campaign. Don't they know the state of modern wow storytelling? Do you really want that injected in WC3?

I suppose it could have worked if they had also preserved the old campaign. Or if they make completely new ones instead.
 
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Are people still upset about the removed campaign. Don't they know the state of modern wow storytelling? Do you really want that injected in WC3?

I suppose it could have worked if they had also preserved the old campaign. Or if they make completely new ones instead.

There was a datamined picture before of two campaign options: Classic and Reforged, to make the purists and WoW players both happy
 
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There was a datamined picture before of two campaign options: Classic and Reforged, to make the purists and WoW players both happy

That would have worked. It's pretty clear Actiblizz cut funding from this. If only it got another year.
 
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you cant play old campaign in HD mode
This I just don't get... They could have had a designer work on the original campaign to tweak the terrain a bit to work better with Reforged assets and just released a "Classic, but in HD" version of the campaign as an option. No one would have complained about that. And then they could have done more for the actually "reforged" campaign, without worrying about "not preserving the original feeling", but... nope.
 
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This I just don't get... They could have had a designer work on the original campaign to tweak the terrain a bit to work better with Reforged assets and just released a "Classic, but in HD" version of the campaign as an option. No one would have complained about that. And then they could have done more for the actually "reforged" campaign, without worrying about "not preserving the original feeling", but... nope.

That's probably an excuse.
 
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That's probably an excuse.
That's 100% an excuse. They didn't care about the original feeling when they've changed the art style, they didn't care about it when they retconned Grom's name, they didn't care about it when they've changed some missions... No, it wasn't about not wanting to remove the original feeling or fans not wanting new stuff - they simply run out of budget and since they can't openly say that, they're looking for easy excuses.
 
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That's 100% an excuse. They didn't care about the original feeling when they've changed the art style, they didn't care about it when they retconned Grom's name, they didn't care about it when they've changed some missions... No, it wasn't about not wanting to remove the original feeling or fans not wanting new stuff - they simply run out of budget and since they can't openly say that, they're looking for easy excuses.

But they said they did that for US.. they thought about US when they were making these choices.
 
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They could have had a designer work on the original campaign to tweak the terrain a bit to work better with Reforged assets and just released a "Classic, but in HD" version of the campaign as an option.
It turned into yet another scrapped feature, you cant play old campaign in HD mode
Ugh..ugh... haven't they already done that, and released it as Reforged Campaigns?

From what I've seen on youtube Reforged Campaigns are basically just that, Classic Campaigns in HD, with some model tweaks.
when they retconned Grom's name
What? I've just seen that they call him Hellscream. That doesn't mean that they've changed his name. They are just refering to him with his last name. Have they?
 
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slightly changed cutscenes
You mean slightly changed Camera angles?
Why would they do it if not to hide his original name?
Well, idk to me that just doesn't make sense. He has the same name, always had it. Grommash (or Grom for short). I think that he's been called Grom even as late as WoD(though I never played WoD, just watched it on youtube), Grommash by the officials and Grom by friends.
Same thing I noticed in RoC Night Elf Campaign, Furion is left out, and Tyrande either doesn't say anything or "my love". Which is again un needed, cause Malfurion is Furion with a title, and again by friend he can be just Furion.
 
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I don't know how the EULA would affect classic assets and maps. Maybe they will start or not spawn-banning assets like there is not tomorrow. It's a good move to start downloading every asset, every guide, only if the worst happens?
 
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Finally! I am for it. Whenever it is taking down of evil corporations, I am for it!

Great, you get the car and I'll make some molotovs.

OH! CHIEF OF THIS ALL! Main reason of why is this all happening. First sign of Blizzard's falling apart. Hand of stealing and destruction! In one word: Lucifer of corporations... Ladies and gentleman it is him. :cgrin:
You just need to look at that face and all is clear. You can see dollars in his eyes shining!

Bobby boy here has been very busy you see, with driving Blizzard into the mud
and profiting off its worsened state... by offering bland soulless shooters.

Stand in line bobby boy, so that we may throw rocks at you.

BREAKING NEWS: NEW BLIZZARD GAMES--dont miss it

If the power is turned off there is no power to even pay for. Where I come from you pay for the power you use, not the power you dont use.

If the power is BAD, really really BAD, like reforged. I`d get a refund, which I did. With all these thousands of refunds, they will be forced to fix the game. Thats my thought.

I`m going back to an earlier version.

Good man, pick your poison and stay away off this dogshit.
The only reason I'm keeping the game is cuz I wanna see how it ends.

It brings tears in my eyes to see how the focus shifted to solution finding instead of more complaint. After the obvious second let down from official Blizzard ofc.

So after reading everything, I saw that some wanted 1.26 some earlier or later patches.

My opinion is, we should stick with the newer 1.29+, because of the addition to gameplay.
-24 player
-widescreen
-better b.net support (idk how this will be possible, but if some private pvpgn servers can do it, Hive can do it too)
-other changes.
I understand this patch introduced some changes to balance, but that's something I'm willing to let slide for the sake of the above.

For modding we stick with patches 1.26/1.27 since it's easier to work with the Editor, and then we can ofc just update the maps to the newer patches as we go along.

But I am no expert in this matter so forgive me if I'm wrong.

You're good on the versions thing. I don't personally care about widescreen or 24 player maps because ... cmon...
when are you gonna find 24 people to play a map? and except MMO maps, what other map can even support such massive numbers.

But I digress. People like what they like. I ain't gonna judge.

why don't they cap frost wyrm and flying units in general? Right now people just spam the hell out of them in melee at least.

I think the first thing they need to do is remove the FPS cap on the models and go back to the animation department fire the lead animator and work on it. These are abysmal animations and unacceptable from a triple A company.

This my friend, is a quality post!

And this my friend, is why fixing such mundane things like animations or UI or frost wyrm's don't matter now.

Until this
blizztard-moral-rights.png

is changed.

Custom games are dead. No self-respecting modder will touch that editor or make anything good in it.
Thus it will give birth to either simplistic or brain dead stupid funny meme maps, with porn in it and "Are you a retard" maps
or plainly obvious stuff like dota, pudge wars, any-TD, any-Zombie ... and there's a million of those so blizzard doesn't even care about them.

These maps were made by some people using the Reforged 1.32 WE for Blizzard as Blizzard has used the new EULA to claim the all maps made with the Reforged Editor. Blizzard really wants these maps to be their copyright? The EULA shows yes they are the owners of these maps so they are responsible for these maps not the authors lol. Its so bad that if @Shar Dundred will make an Arkain campaign with the Refunded WE then Blizz will get all the copyright of the story from him lol

As I have already mentioned multiple times:
Blizzard already claimed that copyright since the first new, not Reforged patch.
That claim is not new.


The thing is that Blizzard may claim it, how valid that claim is, is a completely different story.
It is a bad move but it is a questionable attempt at best.

Do I understand you right, that Bobby boy already stole your idea?

This I just don't get... They could have had a designer work on the original campaign to tweak the terrain a bit to work better with Reforged assets and just released a "Classic, but in HD" version of the campaign as an option. No one would have complained about that. And then they could have done more for the actually "reforged" campaign, without worrying about "not preserving the original feeling", but... nope.

They instead gave it to another studio, because they love the game so much and wanted to bring joy to all the players who love them.
And the models and animations are THE ONLY CHANGE worthy of mention. Not even positive mention, just ... a mention.
To barely give it recognition it exists. It takes work for something to suck that much that you barely notice it.
Its just so mundanely modern and soulless. Like this game.

I know this is a sarcasm. I appreciate sarcasm. Gonna give you a rep for a good ol' sarcasm :D

Bobby Kotick runs a successful game company.
Android Wilson doesn't make billions off of loot boxes.
Todd Howard made the best fallout 76 game ever.
Peter Molyneux didn't lie ever to anyone about any fable game. ever.
 
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And btw, Blizzard, where is your pathing tool for world editor, that was teased in beta client as an empty module?
Where is expanded cutscene editor, that was also teased in early beta? Where is the lipsync tool for those who wants to voice over his/her custom map/campaign?
They talked about it that they will talk about it in the future, meanwhile, they're sorry you're not happy, but they know you can be, if you only listen to them.

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That's it for internet down periods.
I do all my coding ON THE TRAIN. I can't even start a fucking custom game match without jumping through hoops like installing Bonjour and trying to make a lobby name/etc. AND THEN THE GAME DOESN'T EVEN START.

What the fuck even is this piece of shit game!?!?! Some sinister fuck must be getting off to all this.
 
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Sooooo... you have to be CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET to use the Test Map feature...
Or you can bribe them, I heard that they like money much :cgrin:
haha seriosly now, I also wondered that crap as well, then recently, I stop to wonder anything Blizzard does. And I feel better, since their moves have no sense lately.

What the fuck even is this piece of shit game!?!?! Some sinister fuck must be getting off to all this.
YEAH! This is I like. Real men talking. Unlike those modern pussies ,,hey, lets hope Blizzard fixes this soon" ,,hey lets hope for new patch" ,,oh hey, they have not much of promising features, but this is amazing game" ,,hey lets help this game to become better, lets help Blizzard" ,,hey, no new games are bug free on release" ,,hey, you do not know how hard is to make game, you need to know Blizzard and development" and all of crap excuses I heard...
So, finally I got reply from another grown man ,,What the fuck is this piece of shit game" :cgrin: ... I can smell disappointment and confusion in you! If this is your picture in avatar, I see that you have kid. You are family man. And you are dragged by Blizzard by false advertising in name of ,,old times" as this is game for you, same as 15 years ago when you were in high school! And you got nothing! Crappy system ,crappy game, still figure out how to use their ,,new system", weird options...
 
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Unlike those modern pussies ,,hey, lets hope Blizzard fixes this soon" ,,hey lets hope for new patch" ,,oh hey, they have not much of promising features, but this is amazing game" ,,hey lets help this game to become better, lets help Blizzard" ,,hey, no new games are bug free on release" ,,hey, you do not know how hard is to make game, you need to know Blizzard and development" and all of crap excuses I heard...
I take it you finally refunded then? :)
 
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YES BRIBE! Do it! Show us in big image how justified anger of veteran look like.

Glad I clocked out in 2017.
LOOK WHO IS HERE! You miss party man.

experiences with this shit release and the lack of proper response
Oh, that is common to Blizzard. They lacked at conversation with us for while year since that damned Blizzcon

I take it you finally refunded then?
No. I am still their customer. As one I can complain and blast. And get banned from their forums ...
 
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No. I am still their customer. As one I can complain and blast. And get banned from their forums ...
I refunded and yet I still consider myself to be their customer - one that was so disappointed with their product that he chose to get his money back. Besides, you're free to complain even if you don't have Reforged and, as you said previously, all they care about is money, so... yeah.

Anyway, I find your decision to not refund... kinda strange. I mean, you're first to call out folks for defending Reforged or hoping that it gets better and rally people to "keep fighting evil corporations", while at the same time you allow Blizzard to keep your purchase despite the fact that the game isn't even working for you.

I don't know, man - to me it doesn't make much sense...

YES BRIBE! Do it! Show us in big image how justified anger of veteran look like.
... especially after reading this.
 
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Anyway, I find your decision to not refund... kinda strange. I mean, you're first to call out folks for defending Reforged or hoping that it gets better and rally people to "keep fighting evil corporations", while at the same time you allow Blizzard to keep your purchase despite the fact that the game isn't even working for you.
1. Because I got it s gift.
2. Its not about me just, it is about other being deceived. Its not my ass in question only. I complain about global stuff, not personnel just.
3. I still like it in meaning of models and what I expected (everything same but with new models), but I do not like what is being promised and uct off, false advertising, lack of proper communications, banning and not refunding people once they got disappointed by game, buggy game (black screens, disconects, random crashes and errors). So overall, game is crap, what is being presented and what is being made as final release. And bad representations and such, when you connect all of these you get disaster.
Thus I am fighting evil corporation because they ruined game, they are greedy and they fooled people.
 
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Even as someone who is relatively satisfied, and has been fortunate enough to avoid (most) technical problems, I am still extremely disappointed at Blizzard. Just because I don't have many problems doesn't mean others don't and I care what others think because if people hate this game then no one is going to play my Reforged campaigns or use my models so I don't really have a reason to work on either. The EULA doesn't help either but didn't SC2 have a similar EULA?
 
Even as someone who is relatively satisfied, and has been fortunate enough to avoid (most) technical problems, I am still extremely disappointed at Blizzard. Just because I don't have many problems doesn't mean others don't and I care what others think because if people hate this game then no one is going to play my Reforged campaigns or use my models so I don't really have a reason to work on either. The EULA doesn't help either but didn't SC2 have a similar EULA?

My exact feelings.
 
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An open letter to Blizzard
We've been following the development of Warcraft III: Reforged for the past two years and a half, and wanted to thank you for your consideration to update a beloved game by the community ever since the original Warcraft III release. First off, we want to apologize that you didn't get the support you wanted post-release, and we as a community would like to give our feedback on how you can redeem this great game.

There's been a few angry comments during launch day where veterans from our community jumped right into hostility after their original game was transformed, but we were able to resolve those later in the day, where community admins took measures. Seperate from that, we haven't seen official feedback about different aspects of Reforged that we wanted them to take some time to address.

Before we go on: the players are excited that Warcraft III: Reforged is finally upon us and we're ready to fully commit to supporting the game for a long time to come. The next few patches that you're planning to discuss better hold close to our criticism and feedback, after all, we've been playing the game for almost two decades, we are the ultimate beta testers. This game is an integral part of our DNA, since we grew up around it, and it changed our life. And we're looking forward to pouring our hearts into Reforged as we did for so long on Warcraft III for the long term.

One of the many concerns that we've seen is the missing features, such as Custom Campaigns, the ability to switch to proper old/classic mode, including the possibility of Reign of Chaos, since many a player still loved the original concept better than the expansion. We've identified the issue being an overlook by the developer team, while it was a crucial key on what made this game so enjoyable in the first place. We hope that the release later this week addresses this issue. We hope also that the patch fixes the broken menus also fix various bugs that were there even during the Beta and the latest patches which effectively broke the game, but we as gamers didn't complain at the time with high hopes everything would be resolved with the release of Reforged. Please keep an eye out for our concerns and feedback.

Another area of concern is regarding the mandatory online focus, even for modding alone. There are many modders who like to use their time during offline travel, to work on code and map design, this makes it ultimately impossible. The other integral part is the effective separation of Reforged and the original game, since not everyone will be looking at purchasing Reforged in its current state, and we feel it's unfair for players who had previously purchased Warcraft III to suddenly lose their game without a warning or a reasonable excuse. We'll be waiting for communication of any kind of future plans-please be sure to express what the team is working on, on fear that it may bring about the further downfall of this game.

There are some major concerns we've seen that you're not currently planning to address and we wanted to give you a heads-up. As of Reforged release, we saw a huge amount of complaints and refunds, so we'd like our community to join together instead of being crushed in such a cruel manner. We'd like that Reforged earn it's proper title of Remastered, and the players who already owned the game be offered an at least 25% discount to repurchase their favourite game, all inclusive. On top of that, the old game must be restored to its former glory and preferably to a patch that didn't break its fundamental gameplay. It would also be a good idea to restore the original Battlenet, which we hope will satisfy the players every concern.

Related to that, as you failed to communicate your ideas on the in-game cutscenes, we'd like for them to be implemented into the game, be it in a future realistic time window, or in a future patch. You steered too far from your original goal whilst advertising a complete false experience even on launch day and a week after.
You have utterly failed to preserve the true spirit of Warcraft III and allow players to relive these unforgettable moments as they were (albeit with reduction to stability of gameplay).

We know latest update didn't address any questions, but we're committed to the development and support of this game. After all, if anything, Blizzard has the most passionate community, and it's time they teach this company a hard lesson of truth. Until then, thank you as always for your high quality production of games in the past decades, we hope your precision returns, so that you can earn our respect back.

Sincerely,

Just one passionate Warcraft III player

 
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