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Warcraft III: Reforged Patch 1.34.0
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You should not expect any meaningful editor updates again.I saw discussion on Discord that there are no new silently-launched natives/GUI trigger enhancements in this patch.
Then they will just have to wait until 2024 when I build a WebApp that allows people to program code in GUI that exports to Lua.You should not expect any meaningful editor updates again.
Probably coming in the next patch given the progress made in this area?So they wasted time with some automated reporting? Where are custom campaigns?
It's almost 2023 and it seems like I will be fine with my 11 years old laptop for another year.
Bobby Kotick was re-elected as CEO and Microsoft is not going to change that, hopefully it will, but it won't because as long as the company has money, they don't care. And I've never wanted more to be wrong.Looks like the only hope will be June 2023, when the Microsoft deal goes into effect AND Phil Spencer keeps his word, then.
Ridiculous. This is completely false, as long as we choose for it to be false. Do not give them that power over you; there is no reason to do so.So many years of modding by so many people gone down the drain.
Well only the last 2-3 years since Reforged and some patches a bit before... If these patches hadn't added new editor features, I guess everyone would have kept on developing on the older, stable versions after Reforged released and it quickly became clear that things would never be working smoothly on new versions.So many years of modding by so many people gone down the drain.
Keep chasing the dead pro scene that moved to AoE2DE, it will work this time chaps!Warcraft III: Reforged Patch 1.34.0
But also, my point is that even the last few years do not have to be a waste.ell only the last 2-3 years since Reforged and some patches a bit before...
It was abandoned for 15 years until @Kam (and a few others) got somebody at Blizzard to spend a little time on it, and now that they got rid of him as an employee so that they can focus on mobile games like Warcraft Arclight Ramble they're probably going to abandon World Editor for another 15 years. How is that sad? It's more like the expectation.sad to see an amazing tool for its time being abandoned like this.
Unfortunately it doesn't have that much potential, unless unreasonable amounts of money is spent on marketing. Warcraft III has run its course and the lifetime of the product has come to an end long ago. Whatever value it still has is only sentimental value for modding communities and some people who still plays ladder.It's sad for the unrealized potential WC3 still holds.
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/account/upgrades is the new hotness.Btw: where did the donate button go? am i simply missing it
Sad that, a tool with so much potential.It was abandoned for 15 years until @Kam (and a few others) got somebody at Blizzard to spend a little time on it, and now that they got rid of him as an employee so that they can focus on mobile games like Warcraft Arclight Ramble they're probably going to abandon World Editor for another 15 years. How is that sad? It's more like the expectation.
What would be sad would be if you let that hurt you, and were not honest with yourself about the circumstances.
Yea, I agree. The patches don't really matter that much to me, game is working fine-ish and my maps work. But reforged hasn't been in a single sale since release and the player base is not growing.Unfortunately it doesn't have that much potential, unless unreasonable amounts of money is spent on marketing. Warcraft III has run its course and the lifetime of the product has come to an end long ago. Whatever value it still has is only sentimental value for modding communities and some people who still plays ladder.
Blizzard is a company and are looking to utilize the resources they have available to them in the best possible way. That includes all their employees, and in times of global layoffs and initiatives to cut costs they won't assign their employees to projects that aren't profitable.
Yea, I agree. The patches don't really matter that much to me, game is working fine-ish and my maps work. But reforged hasn't been in a single sale since release and the player base is not growing.
As for other versions/patches - I am of the firm believe that most people would rather stop playing wc3 than download some mod and use a 3rd party website to play custom games - unless absolutely required, as is evident by the existing, but small communities for older patches.
Players are arguably more important than mappers to keep the game alive.
Understanding the market forces that drives AAA gaming companies is very different from being a capitalist apologist.lol @ the capitalism apologists in this thread
the copium is real
You're not far off but a few points:I guess having a sale for Reforged doesn't make sense. I'm sure Warcraft III is elastic to some degree, but the price elasticity of demand is not high enough for them to bother with it. Their economists are better spent elsewhere, not on a product that has had a steep decline in the product life cycle for a long time.
From a corporate perspective it makes perfect sense, even if it's shitty. The people who run Blizzard now have no emotional attachments to any of their products, the same way the people who run coca cola have no emotional attachment to the drink they sell.
specifically they weren't making at least a billion in revenue annually.
Please mighty Bribe! Make this a reality so all my GUI triggers can have meaning instead of leaks even tho I have tried to remove every last leak! :')Then they will just have to wait until 2024 when I build a WebApp that allows people to program code in GUI that exports to Lua.
You can already do that by switching your map script to Lua and importing Lua-Infused GUI.Please mighty Bribe! Make this a reality so all my GUI triggers can have meaning instead of leaks even tho I have tried to remove every last leak! :')
Who is really to blame for Reforged being in such an abandoned state? Bobby Kotick? Or has the company's philosophy changed so much that classic games are no longer financially interesting?You're not far off but a few points:
- Despite all the bad PR the product sold well. In the end the refund drama had a trivial effect on the bottom line. We tracked both refunds, and people who re-bought after refunding.
- Despite the popular narrative the BNET player population was substantially larger after RF launch than 2017 - pre-launch, and remained so through Dec 2020. Based on hosting volume today this still seems to be the case.
- As long as the infinite refund policy exists there won't be a sale. Some people have recently reported having issues refunding, however I'm not clear on how widespread this is. I am quite familiar with it though as I am the origin of the policy.
- The slate of games under Classic Games / Team 1 was profitable. The issue was that they weren't profitable enough, specifically they weren't making at least a billion in revenue annually. This is the expectation in the company.
- RF was the result of decisions being made to satisfy shareholders. We were protected while Morhaime was there, but as soon as he left our world collapsed. Any ongoing investment in the classic suite represented resources that could have been shifted to WoW/OW2/HS/DIV/incubation projects. Blizzard has had enormous trouble retaining talent, and has in my opinion purged too many high-value employees explicitly or through stagnation. Several thousand have been terminated, or driven out for various reasons, since 2017. A near totality of RTS/MOBA talent has departed.
- The recent patches are largely leftover work from 2019/2020 that has been worked on to some degree using borrowed resources. The reason they aren't actually fixing any bugs is because they don't want to invest in doing so. To be clear I believe they are launching these patches simply to satisfy the promise of "multiple patches this year". I have some hope they will hire an outsoucing company next year, however without any understanding of the game I am unsure if they could achieve net gains in product quality and stability. The rushed Zoom feature ignored custom games, which is not a positive sign at all. The current state of the game is, from my perspective, shockingly bad. There appears to be no interest in fixing critical issues such as Mac support seemingly ending, Rexxar being hardlocked, or the game cache issues which affects all game modes. I don't recall a Blizzard game ever being in such a poor state before in terms of high priority bugs. Poor design, poor performance? Sure, WoD was a thing. Three years out the game is nearing abandonware status.
Most big companies these days are so blinded by their shareholders that they ignore their consumers. They only understand cold cash, and innovation is often seen as a waste of resources or an unnecessary risk. What it would really take is to allow games like WarCraft 3 to be sold off to companies that would actually give a damn about them.Who is really to blame for Reforged being in such an abandoned state? Bobby Kotick? Or has the company's philosophy changed so much that classic games are no longer financially interesting?
What needs to change for this situation to improve? Can Microsoft do anything when take over?![]()
I know that Microsoft isn't going to miraculously save Reforged. To think that way is a very naive reasoning.People who expect Microsoft to magically turn the tide obviously missed the past decade of Microsoft forcefully trying to subscriptionize their outdated business models, move everybody to their exclusive ecosystem (force you to hold hands with Xbox), connect you to their cloud and add microtransactions to the game while not touching the old porcelain (Minecraft Bedrock Edition vs Java Edition).
Warcraft 3 is an old-school RTS that you cannot bring to mobile or Xbox.
I love the update, hopefully the custom game lobby list will be fixed in major update 1.40, once they find someone who can edit CSS. I heard there's a worker shortage in the USA, so this narrow skillset may not be easy to find on the job market, with all the hardcore engineers flocking to Twitter and average Starbucks fans flooding the Linkedin vacancies.
i read about this a lot on which they are omitting from the news![]()
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Microsoft definitely won't do anything to improve warcraft III.
seeing how twitter's latest stuff thanks to elon seems to have start giving companies a backbone.Of course the head of the FTC is a Biden-appointed Democrat. That's how Federal seats work. The staff are always appointed by the incumbent president.
As for bribery (I know a thing about this topic) almost everyone in politics is a crook. Very few are in it for the actual people. Best thing I can recommend is to give up trying to pit one party against the other and realize the only way to reduce corruption is to use either a ranked voting system or an anti-vote system, but the corporations called DNC and RNC would slaughter any such proposal.
Added support to play custom movies under Warcraft III/Movies (file format dependant, vp9 encoded avi file + mp3 for audio under Warcraft III/Movies/Audio).![]()
Warcraft III: Reforged PTR - Version 1.35.0
We’ve opened the PTR for testing the next version – 1.35.0. Patch 1.35.0 features Custom Campaigns, Balance updates, Map Pool Updates, Leaderboard fixes, and additional improvements. Thank you for testing the PTR, and special thanks to all the community content creators who created new and...us.forums.blizzard.com
Feeling like a parent who's child just learned to walk at the age for 4 years...![]()
Warcraft III: Reforged PTR - Version 1.35.0
We’ve opened the PTR for testing the next version – 1.35.0. Patch 1.35.0 features Custom Campaigns, Balance updates, Map Pool Updates, Leaderboard fixes, and additional improvements. Thank you for testing the PTR, and special thanks to all the community content creators who created new and...us.forums.blizzard.com