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Warcraft 3: Re-Launched? ⚡Or Warcraft 2?? ⚡️

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Yep, looks like Activision Blizzard wanted to completely destroy the Classic mode of Warcraft III.

New shitty game engine, older maps being incompatible, nasty anti-cheat system like Valorant which obviously made such map hacking tools unusable, among the other things.

Oh, and forgot to mention out that they wanted to update its system requirement for Reforged to make this game playable with powerful system and Windows 10/11 (like D2R).

That's just made the fuck up lol.
1. Firstly, by what definition is the SC2 engine shitty and worse than wc3? what makes you qualified to make this statement of absolute truth
2. (a lot of) Older maps are already incompatible before this change, I mean campaigns for starters and this is unavoidable, you cannot maintain everything forever. Also without knowing the definition of "legacy maps" you're just jumping to conclusions again. Legacy maps might be maps made in version 1.14 for all you know, not only is this a small amount of maps theoretically and if its a popular map you can update it and depending on the other changes might be a worthwhile tradeoff.
3. You have 0 evidence to make any comparison to Vanguard which is a kernel level anti cheat, this is complete guesswork.

You're blinded by hatred unironically lol
 
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I don't know since when, but on the official Reforged website they changed the race icons to these at some point.

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I saw someone repost this picture on social media, so I ended up finding my way here.

Interesting pictures, but they may cause some misunderstandings. It is suggested that website administrators should label such parody pictures, as media outlets like B2W or WOWhead that lack fact-checking may be misled into thinking that there is a PTR2.0 patch notes post.

Regarding the content in the picture, I understand it as a personal fantasy wishing behavior, which has some Reasonable, but also many Unreasonable.

Reasonable:
Given that our version has only reached 1.36.2 in over 20 years, if there really is a version 2.0, it would only be appropriate to change the game engine to match such a significant version number change.

Replacing the StarCraft II engine will indeed result in incompatibility with maps of the older version of the game, which is a foreseeable outcome.

The engine of StarCraft II does support neural networks and intelligent AI content, which are indeed attractive enough to be the direction of future development.

Unreasonable:
Warcraft III has been proven time and again to not bring in more revenue, and it is unlikely that Microsoft/Blizzard would make a huge investment in switching engines just because some players expect to break the 12-unit selection limit.

Public information tells us that the current team responsible for Warcraft III is Team2, who primarily focus on World of Warcraft. Their engineers are not familiar with the engine of StarCraft II.

A former employee privately told us that there has been no hiring of new staff to support classic games recently. Therefore, with no new human resources being invested, it is unlikely that there will be any significant changes.

Blizzard has made many upgrades to the Warcraft III engine code since 2016, and if the engine were to be replaced, a lot of valuable work would be completely negated, which would obviously not be worth it.

High-resolution textures were not widely opposed, and many people in the community were able to accept them, leading to the creation of new models and custom maps based on them, which saved some sales.
 
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That's just made the fuck up lol.
1. Firstly, by what definition is the SC2 engine shitty and worse than wc3? what makes you qualified to make this statement of absolute truth
2. (a lot of) Older maps are already incompatible before this change, I mean campaigns for starters and this is unavoidable, you cannot maintain everything forever. Also without knowing the definition of "legacy maps" you're just jumping to conclusions again. Legacy maps might be maps made in version 1.14 for all you know, not only is this a small amount of maps theoretically and if its a popular map you can update it and depending on the other changes might be a worthwhile tradeoff.
3. You have 0 evidence to make any comparison to Vanguard which is a kernel level anti cheat, this is complete guesswork.

You're blinded by hatred unironically lol
Sorry folks. What I've mentioned here was a complete joke, but yeah, we will see what Activision Blizzard did next.

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Also, I haven't seen any mentions about Windows 7 and 8.1. supports for Warcraft III: Reforged, beside that obvious macOS.
Given the fact most modern games now require Windows 10 or 11 in order to run, I think this game should have been updated as well.
Many users have complained about Warcraft III: Reforged not being playable on Windows 7 and 8.1. due to the fact those operating systems are no longer being maintained anymore due to the some kind of hardware limitation.
Blizzard games such as Diablo 2: Resurrected obviously require Windows 10 or 11 due to the DirectX 12 being implemented in this game.
 
Yep, looks like Activision Blizzard wanted to completely destroy the Classic mode of Warcraft III.

New shitty game engine, older maps being incompatible, nasty anti-cheat system like Valorant which obviously made such map hacking tools unusable, among the other things.

Oh, and forgot to mention out that they wanted to update its system requirement for Reforged to make this game playable with powerful system and Windows 10/11 (like D2R).
That screenshot is fake. It is edited.
 
Why not? Why can't you believe anyone fell for it? To be honest, I believed it when I read it. When I read "legacy maps," I assumed that this referred to any file with .w3x extension instead of .SC2-Map or whatever.

As others pointed out, it is unrealistic for me to expect that this company employs anyone who understands the software within the SC2 engine. So, I should have thought of that.

But otherwise, what would prevent Microsoft from making a very similar post to this, but where they use some Xbox favorite game engine instead of SC2? I suppose the other accurate criticism is that Microsoft wouldn't consider it worthwhile to invest the sort of time and money necessary. But, this combined Microsoft Activision group did make "Age of Empires 4" and "Diablo 4," didn't they? (I have played neither one of those and from a distance assumed them to be late-stage profiteering off of the intellectual property rather than legitimate sequels made from the same humans responsible for the old lovable brands)

Is it perhaps much more likely that in order to encourage everyone to forget Reforged and Frozen Throne, that Microsoft Activision would make "Warcraft: Orcs and Humans: Remastered" and publish that old game with 3D graphics?

As others on this thread stated, the same folks who did Diablo 2 Resurrected could probably construct that all quite easily. And it might be heralded as a success; after all, my hefty criticism of D2R previously on this thread was due to issues with modding. But if Microsoft Activision doesn't want to care about modding, and prefers to make more PopcornFX-style overcomplex-but-easy-to-pay-for games, then they could easily do this. Maybe they could tie in the Warcraft Movie changes to the lore or something silly like that.

Warcraft III made the mistake of Reforging the game without the Reforging branding. Basically 1.31 gave us a solid foundation to grab our pitch forks and hate this company, and everything they stand for. Because they showed us that our game could become technologically better without the bad stupid DRM technology. But if anybody is still playing Warcraft 1, well, I have surely ignored it. And I doubt I am alone in doing so. Thus by offering Warcraft 1 Remake 3D, nobody would be likely to get upset because they can just say it's independent of Warcraft 1 and drop any pretense of mod support.

So, that's very nearly the same as War3 remade with Star2 engine, but it differs because it can be so without us complaining. Warcraft 3 has the problem for them that in some circles it didn't properly die, so Reforged showed us it's much harder in a case like that to sell people something they already have for a profit.

Sorry I'm just talking in circles but I think I totally convinced myself what I think these guys are going to do next...

Although I don't know what in the dickens the Reforged 2.0 version numbering is. That's more in line with making @~El's parody post into a reality.
 
First rule of parodies: people only look at the part that interests them. I only read 2 lines of your post before I stopped to process my sense of wonderment that they were really going to destroy Reforged because they can.

It's like with people thinking Warsmash was sent a takedown notice; the analytics on that parody of myself said that although the video was many minutes long, 80+% of viewers came from a Reddit link, and only watched 15 seconds of my video.

So, just like me not even reading the lower details on anticheat and only reading first 2 lines of your thing, the redditors didnt watch the rest of my video or videos to know more about me, and what is a parody, and what is not. Their attention only lasts as far as the 15 seconds to see a takedown notice, even if its only used as the background image in a parody.

It's pretty hard to stop people from only seeing what they are looking for.
 

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God fucking dammit! That kind of jokes should be illegal! And I'm forced to censor swearing! Swearing is sweet lullaby in comparison to that kind of shit!
 
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I heard rumors about this last month.

Presumably there's a "Warcraft 4" (there's no information what it will be about) on Blizzard's upcoming game releases in the future and the new talent they recently hired are trying to patch up Reforged's mistakes in an attempt to deliver some of the broken promises made in the past.
 

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Either you forgot word "never", or this is another stupid joke. Maybe it's better to lock this topic since it's gone sideways. Besides even if everybody stays in the subject, at this point we can only speculate what Blizzard will do.
 
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I don't know since when, but on the official Reforged website they changed the race icons to these at some point.

Do we know when this change was made?
Those had been present on the official website as early as May 2023, possibly a few months earlier.

Remember, Blizzard officially introduced the Classic Versus portraits in 2022 with patch 1.33.0:
 
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I am anxious about W2R....There is stuff I like about the current Reforged but after the halfassed attempt they don't deserve to remake it when the CSW team already put four years of incredible effort not only to bring Reforged graphics to what they were supposed to be but also remade the lore in such a way that combines the old lore with the new lore in a respectful manner. I simply don't think Blizzard can top that...I'll probably play it but CSW will still be my headcanon. Blizzard doesn't deserve to take away any of their glory.
 
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So, they are going to make Warcraft 2: Remastered (of course, with the better graphics and the same online DRM used in modern Blizzard games) instead of simply re-releasing Warcraft 3??? I think so.
Also, I don't know why BlizzTrack had just updated its PTR build for Warcraft 3 (w3d) a few hours ago after they reverted its internal PTR 2.0. a few weeks ago.
Here's the proof:
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Oh well the Chronicles of the Second War team can archive their project, we're going to get a much better official version of the game now!

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Don't be so sure. Remember Re-Reforged? A better version of the original campaign. It wouldn't shock me if CSW was higher quality as it is a passion project.
 
Wouldn't WC2 remastered be, you know, the original WC2 but with remastered graphics & audio, and modern Bnet support etc, and not a remake on the WC3 engine? If so, it's not in competition with CSW at all. I'm pretty sure that's what it would be.

If they were remaking WC2 on the WC3 engine, with a campaign and everything, they would more likely call it WC2 Reforged.
 
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Wouldn't WC2 remastered be, you know, the original WC2 but with remastered graphics & audio, and modern Bnet support etc, and not a remake on the WC3 engine? If so, it's not in competition with CSW at all. I'm pretty sure that's what it would be.

If they were remaking WC2 on the WC3 engine, with a campaign and everything, they would more likely call it WC2 Reforged.
I hope so too. Blizzard had a chance to remake all of the games with Reforged 1.0 but blew it because of Kotick. I simply don't think they can top CSW.
 
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I don't see much problem with coexisting CSW and Warcraft 2 Remastered. We already have plenty of custom campaigns that are built on original campaigns (mostly like gameplay enhancement or some story alterations) or built on canonical books like Day of Dragon, The Last Guardian, etc. And I want to belive that Blizzard in their current status does not see such a problem too.
 
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I don't see much problem with coexisting CSW and Warcraft 2 Remastered. We already have plenty of custom campaigns that are built on original campaigns (mostly like gameplay enhancement or some story alterations) or built on canonical books like Day of Dragon, The Last Guardian, etc. And I want to belive that Blizzard in their current status does not see such a problem too.
I want CSW to be THE WC2 remake. I don't want to have to choose. I've already made up my mind that the CSW lore is the real one. I hope they will make a WOW private server one day too. Just imagine seeing those high quality 3D models in WOW. No longer would I have to see and hear the same human models, animations and sounds repeated endlessly for Footmen and Knights.
 
Well, think about it. A full-fledged remake of WC2 on the WC3 engine would be a massive and very risky investment, because it would require a huge amount of Reforged-level 3D assets (which would probably be outsourced again), all new audio and voice acting, a big campaign built from scratch, new programming and scripting, etc., and it would be competing with already existing content made by the modding community, like CSW. If it's a standalone game, it would even be competing with their own product, Reforged, aside from the campaign.

On the other hand, remastering the original WC2 game would be relatively cheap and safe as an investment, as it would only require upscaled 2D assets, remastering of existing audio, and minimal programming (probably only insofar as Bnet support, matchmaking, etc. needs to be modernized). It's not competing with any community content or other WC product either, so anyone interested in the original WC2 experience has only one choice.

I also think a full remake would already be leaked by now, they wouldn't be able to keep it secret very long because so many people would be involved.

Edit: For 3D Warcraft RTS content, I think it's much more likely that they'll try to rehabilitate Reforged and improve its brand perception, and pave the way for paid DLCs and/or ingame microtransactions. New campaigns/stories are very unlikely unless there's a surge of interest in Reforged.
 
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I don't think that integrating would be a good idea. IMO.
It doesn't have to be because it is already "official" in my head. Although I would love it to get the official blessing but that would mean they would have to adhere to the current shit lore and rework the game. This way I get the best of old and current warcraft lore because as much as I despise the current lore, there's bits of good stuff in there.
 
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