Such thing as Peaceful Aliens? NO!

[arafor]

I have sat back for a while and listened to people speak about Ufo's and their existance or lack of one and etc. And then theres the people saying that UFO's coming to the Earth will destroy us or save us and be peaceful but heres the truth.

If you are capable of technologies to travel the galaxies and stars to reach earth you probably have the weapon capabilities to destroy a planet. The fact is if aliens exist and they say they come in peace its most likely a complete and total lie. There is no such thing as coming in peace when you have weapons that can wreak mass destruction.

Post your rebuttles, thoughts, comments, etc.

 

[Fussiler1]

First. Lol Avatar.
Second. Destroying a planet would be completely useless.
Third. Yeah, stronger weapons. Does that mean immediate war? No.

 

[Reaper2008]

If aliens are advanced, they'll be smart, and won't seek war. They don't have to be hostile.

 

[raid1000]

aliens would be to advanced and so killing or enslaving humanity wouldnt benefit them at all (i mean they probably have robots doing everything)
i think aliens would consider our planet as a tourist attractrion

but we think of them being hostile because thats what the human mind does! KILL THE BEATCHES!!! o look an inhabited planet! lets go destroy everything just for teh lulz of it!

so if we made first contact im sure CIA and other inteligence agencies would do anything to obtain alien technology probably provoking the aliens to destroy us

well i hope aliens will be a little wise i mean if humanity started space colonisation well err... just look at the americas colonisation

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Watch Mars Attack. 'nuff said.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

American xenophobia.

Nuff said.

Totally unrelated

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[arafor]

To the posts saying their too advanced to know better or destroy us, they would have more incentive to destroy us because they could perceive us as an eventual threat against their existence and so it would be eaiser for them to destroy us before we are capabe of better space travel and weaponry. Because we know if we became advanced enough we would end up destroying other aliens.

 

[LordDz]

Yeah, when we see aliens, lets fire first, ask later

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

So because they have powerful weapons they have to be hostile...?

 

[arafor]

The fact is that if there peaceful then why the need for powerful weapon sin the first place? The problem is you cannot have a space-farring alien species that does not have powerful weaponry, it doesn't make sense.

 

[takakenji]

so, because they are able to travel space they automatically NEED to have weapons and be hostile because they can?

 

[Mulgrim]

humans are a violent species, our leaders would try to be rats and do some stupid thing that goes against peace

 

[Textor]

What i thing about other forms of life i think they arent maybe better than we , maybe there is a planet that is like the earth , we dont know that they exist because not we or they can travel throught the galaxy , about the high technology aliens i think they would use our planet for the resources or just come in peace but what i think the humans would do if they see a alien , fast catch it and find out anything about its anatomy and about its planet etc. that would make a war.

 

[arafor]

so, because they are able to travel space they automatically NEED to have weapons and be hostile because they can?

Any intelligent species has weapons no matter what, it is a fact that all intelligent species have weapons, there is no debating it. There was competition on the world and galactic stage which calls for weapons of some sort. So yes, if they are space farring then yes you could say they "automatically" have weapons.

 

[takakenji]

what if they're like the tau empire.

olloololol

 

[arafor]

Okay please stay on topic were talking about realistic circumstances in a realistic environment not an environment when there are no enemies so no need for weapons. Sticks to the topic pls.

 

[Saken]

Yet what if our reality, a one plagued with violence, wars, and death, is the complete opposite of their reality? One of peace and the only thing they seek to gain, is knowledge.

I mean, sure, it's preposterous to deny there being some other sentinent species out there in the universe, but what makes you think they are as advanced as we are? Or are not just a few centuries/ages ahead of us? They could be older then us, but still behind our technological advances. I'm not entirely denying aliens who are already in space exploring and what not, but what need would an alien have for weapons if they possess powerful enough transportation to travel quickly from galaxy from galaxy, solar system to solar system, planet to planet... All they would need is some form of advanced radar, where they already know where anything is around them, and bam, thrusters turned on in the opposite direction, they could cloak away, or even teleport, if you assume they have the knowledge and technology to do so.

 

[takakenji]

because the human race is violent, anything with the capabilities to create weapons must have wars and must be violent as well? i agree with saken

 

[arafor]

It is not an opinion that is the problem. All organic beings that get to that state to travel across the galaxies and such they know violence very well and they would not be afraid to use their knowledge against a threatening species (humans).

 

[Captain Griffen]

Any species with such powerful weaponry would necessarily be peaceful. That, or quickly extinct.

 

[Coolty44]

I'd rather ensalve an inferior race and use them as front line troops for other, harder wars, rather then risk lives to kill them all.

 

[arafor]

Coolty thats off topic, please remain on topic.

 

[Coolty44]

Its on topic, we are talking about aliens, and I'm giving a reson as to why they wouldn't kill us all

 

[BlargHonk]

Actually, aliens couldn't even come on our damn planet.

Lets say their planet has no Selenium, well guess what, our food contains Selenium, there goes the alien, it's dead because they have never been exposed to it. It is kind of like the synthetic elements, Plutonium in any visible amount will kill you, alot of shit will kill you actually.

Take oxygen, like it? Lets you breathe? Well, lets say the alien breathes CO2 or Methane, if they come on the planet, the oxygen levels will kill them, due to oxygen being very good at killing anaerobic things, hell, White Blood Cells use it on Bacteria.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Of course, they cannot possibly have terraforming capabilities. Or the ability to have environmental suits/etc.

 

[BlargHonk]

They cannot eat our food!!!!

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Any intelligent species has weapons no matter what, it is a fact that all intelligent species have weapons, there is no debating it. There was competition on the world and galactic stage which calls for weapons of some sort. So yes, if they are space farring then yes you could say they "automatically" have weapons.

So, how many intelligent species you exactly know besides humans?

 

[takakenji]

monkeys.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Not all monkeys + I don't remember them using stone axes and shit like that

 

[Deleted member 157129]

It's absurd to assume that because humans have evolved like we have, all intelligent species must have evolved the exact same way. Just 'cause we desire to hate each other, it doesn't mean that possible aliens hate each other, or even hate us. We don't know if aliens exist, we don't know how they behave, we cannot predict how they will behave, we can merely guess. Therefore, you should stop arguing whether you're right or wrong, because none of you can prove any of your statement, yet, unless you've been abducted and brought a picture.

 

[BlargHonk]

If aliens have come here, all this business about abductions is what I think is just their teenagers.

 

[Bantas]

Let's assume there are aliens that have the technology to travel through space.
They see a planet that's quite unique, with lots of water on it, and lots of living beings. They would probably be interested in colonizing this planet. (In case you didn't understand, the planet I'm talking about is ours, the Earth)

Now, I don't see why they wouldn't consider us too primitive to be given a chance to talk to them. They could just kill us and take over. Since they can travel through space easily enough to colonize other planets, they probably have destructive weapon technology. You might think that they would also be civilized enough not to use them against us.
I disagree right there : When settlers took over America, they killed lots of the natives. Then the settlers realised the locals were human beings too, and were given the right to live (I know, that just sounds horrible). Yet, they could only live in concentration camps, with not enough food to survive and a huge cultural shock to face.
I could definitely see the same situation happening with aliens coming over to Earth. And that could happen anytime, since we don't know anything about them (we don't even know if they exist !).

 

[BlargHonk]

Go watch District 9, we did the same to the aliens in there

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Let's assume there are aliens that have the technology to travel through space.
They see a planet that's quite unique, with lots of water on it, and lots of living beings. They would probably be interested in colonizing this planet. (In case you didn't understand, the planet I'm talking about is ours, the Earth)

Now, I don't see why they wouldn't consider us too primitive to be given a chance to talk to them. They could just kill us and take over. Since they can travel through space easily enough to colonize other planets, they probably have destructive weapon technology. You might think that they would also be civilized enough not to use them against us.
I disagree right there : When settlers took over America, they killed lots of the natives. Then the settlers realised the locals were human beings too, and were given the right to live (I know, that just sounds horrible). Yet, they could only live in concentration camps, with not enough food to survive and a huge cultural shock to face.
I could definitely see the same situation happening with aliens coming over to Earth. And that could happen anytime, since we don't know anything about them (we don't even know if they exist !).

You did the same mistake I just complained about- when you talk about aliens, you always ASSUME they are just like humans. Let's not assume aliens are humans, that is, in my opinion, a lot more likely.

 

[Saken]

To sort of add onto what BlargHonk said, no one else has considered germs, bacteria. They've never been exposed to our bio-organisms before, if they were to come in contact with our air, they'd just drop dead after getting fatally sick... sort of like in War of the Worlds.

I also agree with Shiik, you guys can't assume aliens will behave like we do.

 

[BlargHonk]

Ehhhh, viruses wouldn't effect them, but Bacillus, mebbeh

 

[HINDYhat]

I really would expect a race of advanced aliens to think about whether Earth is a habitable environment before killing themselves on it. I mean, even we would do that. Advanced alien races would do everything humans could possibly think about and more.

 

[Saken]

Ehhhh, viruses wouldn't effect them, but Bacillus, mebbeh

Indians given blankets containing small pox by British soldiers centuries ago.
The indians were never introduced to the disease before, thus having no chance to have ever build an immunity up against it.

 

[BlargHonk]

Ok, that example is stupid because of the fact Indians are the SAME SPECIES, it's rare to have interspecies virus's, let alone interplanetary

 

[HINDYhat]

I know nothing about biology, but what about influenza? I'm sure there are plenty more.

 

[Vampiro320]

I think of it like ants. Some people just squish/kill/burn them because they think it is fun/whatever nasty problems you have may go here cause i know there' lots more/and because there are plenty of them and no one will miss an ant. Whose to say the aliens wont be thinking they have plenty of other planets with inhabitence that they can live on, and decide It's hunting season. There's plenty of us, none of them will miss us, and they might never even see us again. They'd probably think of us somewhat like that. Useless little ants.

 

[Saken]

Ok, that example is stupid because of the fact Indians are the SAME SPECIES, it's rare to have interspecies virus's, let alone interplanetary

It was a real life example, since you didn't catch what I said before.

Rabies, influenza, both avian and swine. Hm, rare? I think not.

 

[Element of Water]

Yeah, but those things have mutated to be able to affect different kinds of animals. Swine flu doesn't affect birds, does it? Bird flu doesn't affect pigs. They're different strands specialised to affect certain species. Aliens are new, therefore nothing can affect them without mutating, in which case it wouldn't exactly affect them any more than, for example, swine flu affects us; it doesn't kill unless you already have some kind of medical condition or you're pregnant or whatever. It doesn't kill healthy humans.

 

[Saken]

It has killed healthy humans. People die everyday to it, healthy, unhealthy, young, and old.

They don't have to affect every other species, but they have affected the human species. And rabies, to my knowledge, effects more then just a few, for a lot of common animals are capable of being carriers and being affected by it. My original point with this all was saying that they would probably be weakened and or killed off by air borne bacteria and pathogens... basically germs.

 

[Element of Water]

Nah, the stuff wouldn't even affect them. It'd have to mutate. Which could take days. Or it could take years.

 

[Saken]

How do you know it wouldn't affect them? Are you harboring aliens right now and testing them like lab rats?

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Aliens would kill us and take our natural resources and replace us. Nuff said

 

[Deleted member 157129]

It has killed healthy humans. People die everyday to it, healthy, unhealthy, young, and old.

They don't have to affect every other species, but they have affected the human species. And rabies, to my knowledge, effects more then just a few, for a lot of common animals are capable of being carriers and being affected by it. My original point with this all was saying that they would probably be weakened and or killed off by air borne bacteria and pathogens... basically germs.

Maybe it has done that (I doubt it), but the general idea is that healthy humans don't die to swine flu. Someone I know had swine flu, it lasted around 14 days and it wasn't very pleasant, but he was at no point close to dying (not more than with a regular flu) - in his words "it was like a flue, only it lasted longer and it hit me sooner, there was no warning" ..

Bacteria, is of course, a different case - they probably would be affected, and could be killed, by bacteria. Viruses need to mutate, so unless alien DNA is very similar to human DNA, I don't see them being affected much at all (even among humans there are - it exists - people that are immune to select diseases, ie someone is immune to last years flu, someone else is immune to rabies or whatever .. there are always exceptions) considering most viruses are very selective about their prey, and they are weak in general. You could compare them with a spy - if you know about the spy, and how it looks, you take it down easily, if you are unaware it can cause a lot of damage - but the spy is only interested in infiltrating certain facilities. (Meh, worse example than when I thought)..

 

[Saken]

I'm only going by what I've seen on the news concerning the flu.

 

[Bantas]

Bird flu doesn't affect pigs.

It actually does. Pigs are closer to humans than they seem; the bird flu which humans are vulnerable to is a mutation to that of the pig. So it actually reinforces your point.

So yeah, viruses aren't gonna kill aliens because they're probably very different from us. They might not even have DNA. However, bacterias and such might kill them. But if they got the technology to space travel, they'd probably test whatever they can to make sure they can colonize the planet. Problem is, that would take a lot of time, so much time that some alien might say "Hey they aren't that primitive, let's let them be for now."

I know that's assuming aliens think a lot like humans, but else this thread wouldn't be interesting. I mean, if an ant-like space-travelling species has the ability to live on our planet, I doubt they would ask anyone's opinion before doing so. (see WH40k Tyranoids, that's the perfect cliche)