Staff Changes(?)

[Traxamillion]

I don't understand why you guys keep saying that. Do you really think he doesn't know what forum he's browsing when he's browsing it? If you really think he can't differentiate between Hive and Wc3c, do you really think he's the right guy for the job?

You're a moderator for Christ's sake. If you want him to step up and do the job, perhaps a little more faith in him is in order.

I have plenty of faith in Dusk dont get me wrong, but if you have been paying attention his approach towards the hive is that of WC3C, and look where that got us, in the same pickle were in now. im just saying he needs a new gameplan if the old one didnt work.

Thanks Hawkwing

 

[Vegavak]

I have plenty of faith in Dusk dont get me wrong, but if you have been paying attention his approach towards the hive is that of WC3C, and look where that got us, in the same pickle were in now. im just saying he needs a new gameplan if the old one didnt work.

Thanks Hawkwing

That's not what he meant. He means that the two sites are completely different and the way they should be run and how we should come about solving their problems is much different.

Just because this is The Hive that doesn't mean it's immune from everything bad or good that has happened on other sites. We should strive to learn from their examples, rather than continuously yelling about how much this site isn't that site.

It's stupid that you all keep reminding everyone that this is The Hive and not Wc3c, like it's some kind of catchphrase, or something that everyone doesn't already know.

 

[~Void~]

It's not that Hive is better or worse, it's just different. People here are a lot less serious about modding, there are a lot of newer members, and I must say the overall environment is a lot "warmer" than WC3C.

 

[Traxamillion]

Just because this is The Hive that doesn't mean it's immune from everything bad or good that has happened on other sites. We should strive to learn from their examples, rather than continuously yelling about how much this site isn't that site.

It's stupid that you all keep reminding everyone that this is The Hive and not Wc3c, like it's some kind of catchphrase, or something that everyone doesn't already know.

Well im not going to keep argueing about my opnions, since you are not percieving the message. Also if alot of people are saying what i said about Dusks site to site similarity there might be some truth in that.

 

[Vegavak]

Well im not going to keep argueing about my opnions, since you are not percieving the message. Also if alot of people are saying what i said about Dusks site to site similarity there might be some truth in that.

All I was saying is that he already knows that the two sites are not one in the same, and that he already knows the users of The Hive don't want the two sites to be the same, merely better than it currently is.

And while you claim that you believe in Dusk to do the best for The Hive, your words have not reflected it. There's a good reason as to why Dusk has been hesitant.

 

[Traxamillion]

All I was saying is that he already knows that the two sites are not one in the same, and that he already knows the users of The Hive don't want the two sites to be the same, merely better than it currently is.

And while you claim that you believe in Dusk to do the best for The Hive, your words have not reflected it. There's a good reason as to why Dusk has been hesitant.

Did you even read my posts? or are you just so thick headed that you dont understand what i said?

Let me reiderate what i said:

Dusk has good intentions but his plan for the hive has failed in that hes trying to make it geared more like WC3C. The i said He needs a new "Gameplan" when it comes to approaching the hive.

 

[~Void~]

In short, Dusk is taking the wrong approach.

 

[Traxamillion]

In short, Dusk is taking the wrong approach.

Yet another person to help you see my point Vega.

 

[Hakeem]

If you look back at the first post, you might notice Dusk has removed the conditional suggestion he gave about himself. Perhaps this discussion is better left for a later time.

 

[~Void~]

Maybe, but I'm not sure I see why.

 

[e-Glory.dave]

[*]I think BlinkBoy should be fired.

yea i totally agree on that part.he isnt really a good mod.

 

[Vegavak]

Yet another person to help you see my point Vega.

I just don't see anything wrong with positive progression of the site. Whether it be towards WC3C, or any other site's example.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

What IS the main problem anyway?

 

[Traxamillion]

I would say the MAIN problem is that our higher staff is not putting forth enough effort and the fact that Ralle Attends his website more than Rodney King attends a KKK meeting.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I'm SICK of the whole WC3C vs. Hive crap. I know as well as any of you that the websites are different. I believe as well as any of you that them being different is a good thing. I do not and have never wanted the Hive to be closer to how WC3C is.

This site could use to be a bit more serious and treat WC3 modding with higher regard. It advertises itself on the front page as a WC3 modding community, and yet once you get past spamming your resources in those sections, it really isn't much of one at all. That I think the site could be a better modding community does not mean that I think it should be more like WC3C. Please get that out of your heads; just because I'm an admin and a long-standing member there means nothing. I know the difference.

I am me, and I do things my way because I am me. Surprised? I am a serious person, I don't do the internet, I hate youtube, I'd rather spend my day browsing wikipedia's astronomy and physics sections and correcting mistakes in them. I don't know what half of the websites on all of your favorites lists even are. That is just how I am, and how I solve problems is by addressing them personally (as in that I take care of as much as I can), succinctly, and at a distance (without emotional attachment). I try hard to remove myself emotionally because it's very difficult to properly dole out punishments and rewards when you're biased. So what you're all saying is not that my approach is incompatible with the Hive, but that I am not compatible with the Hive. I get that now, you have all made it quite clear, stop beating it to a pulp. Thanks.

 

[bounty hunter2]

We need an assistant webmaster, if you understand what I'm saying. Not someone like Ghan who does all the backstage stuff (seeing as that's what Ralle does already), but someone who is out here in the community, running it.

Someone like... Dusk! But he has been pushed away by the community he was so trying to help.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Oh shush with that kind of stuff. I respect that you support me, but I don't like my actions to be mistaken as cries for attention - they're not.

 

[bounty hunter2]

I do not really think that it can be interpreted that way, as why would you need attention? You could as well stayed at WC3C and never come here at all. But you didn't.

 

[Shados]

Pipedream: Get enough regular donations to just fucking hire someone to be the dictator.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

I still don't see why Archian should be fired/replaced.
If he just puts minimal effort into it, its good.
Its not like it would cost us anything to have him going.

 

[Hawkwing]

I still don't see why Archian should be fired/replaced.
If he just puts minimal effort into it, its good.
Its not like it would cost us anything to have him going.

Honestly, minimal effort is overstating it.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, hate to lay down the pain but:

Archian shows up a few times a year, claims he's revolutionizing things, defends himself from constant attack by claiming about how much he's put into the website behind the scenes, and then admits that he hasn't been around at all and apologizes, promising to be active from then on.

I've seen it too many times.

 

[Zombie]

He can still be a Respected user.

 

[Pyritie]

He can still be a Respected user.

Of course.

 

[Devine]

Its not like it would cost us anything to have him going.

You do not want me get started about that. Archian just comes and goes, people that were new three months ago, he sees for the very first time now. Even though they have learned about the things here at the hive, he still sees them as noobs. He's not active, he has no connections to the new guys that can be very nice and "pro" ...
Seriously, as I stated before, Archian leave or don't leave but don't stay in the middle.

 

[Ash]

You do not want me get started about that. Archian just comes and goes, people that were new three months ago, he sees for the very first time now. Even though they have learned about the things here at the hive, he still sees them as noobs. He's not active, he has no connections to the new guys that can be very nice and "pro" ...
Seriously, as I stated before, Archian leave or don't leave but don't stay in the middle.

Are we talking about Ghan, or Archian here?

 

[brad.dude03]

The topic of discussion is, at the moment, Archian.

 

[Ash]

I know, I'd just felt like I should point out that they're both one in the same, really

 

[MasterHaosis]

But wait discussion about both... for your opinions who should be Archian's and Ghan replacements then? Cause if you think they should be fired, well someone have to replace them. Without Directors will make it much complicated.

 

[LiOneSS]

brad can go for ghan's place, and ghan can have archian's.

 

[busterkomo]

Brad is leaving soon, so his position is out of question.

 

[Ash]

Ghan shouldn't be a director, imo.

 

[LiOneSS]

He has experience on other forums, and there are not many qualified people here.

 

[Ash]

He officially calls himself a Liaison. Why we need a Liaison as an Admin is beyond me, for starters. [1]

He's not really that active, and when he is he doesn't reply to users queries. [2]

Also, see his map reviews. [3]

[1] = User Title

[2] = http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/Ghan_04/

[3] = Dawn of the Undead -Reshot- - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site

 

[Hakeem]

He has experience on other forums, and there are not many qualified people here.

Fortunately, we don't need that many either.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Well i started at hive Half a year ago, and i've never met him.
But well, i've never met Trax before he negrepped me either. So i guess im just not into the moderators.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, I'm definitely not taking on any further positions.

I'm actually busy trying to find someone to replace me, rather than replacing someone else.

 

[Devine]

Oh ... whell that's just great >.>
byebye leet guys, who's next? General Frank? D:
(don't leave us, kind sir)
seriously, The hive needs some fun, all knowing mods (that do visit this site once a week D ... else i'd be like boring around here ...

 

[~Void~]

He officially calls himself a Liaison. Why we need a Liaison as an Admin is beyond me, for starters. [1]

He's not really that active, and when he is he doesn't reply to users queries. [2]

Also, see his map reviews. [3]

[1] = User Title

[2] = http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/Ghan_04/

[3] = Dawn of the Undead -Reshot- - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site

Samuraid isn't very active, but he helps a lot with the backstage stuff. I'm assuming that's what Ghan does as well.

 

[Traxamillion]

Funny you should mention that Ive tried contacting Ghan for the last 16 hours :/

Samuraid is actually pretty active hes just so ninja like hes hardly noticeable.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I don't think Ghan is incompetent or inactive. He only really enjoys the site development, like Samuraid, except he has a tendency to avoid the parts of the site he doesn't like dealing with. Like I once said, regardless of how good a staff member is, if it's not fun, he/she won't do it (with regard to site stuff). If that's a problem, then the users should have him come forth and acknowledge it and pose his own thoughts on it. That's important.

 

[Traxamillion]

Like I once said, regardless of how good a staff member is, if it's not fun, he/she won't do it (with regard to site stuff).

I beg to differ, I just became a request moderator, along with my previous moderating duties, not because its fun (I can assure its not FUN) but because the section is in need of reform, I think Lazyness is just a factor in what your talking about Dusk.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

But if the section is in need of reform, isn't the motivation to fix it so that it can then be clean and fun to work with at some point in the future?

 

[brad.dude03]

See, Ghan is supposed to handle the community.

That's it.

Samuraid is supposed to handle the backend, not Ghan. Ghan shouldn't be fucking around behind the scenes, as a community director that is not his job, period.

So he either needs to cut that shit or get off the staff.

 

[Traxamillion]

@ dusk meh, i guess :/

@ Brad, very true.

 

[Hawkwing]

See, Ghan is supposed to handle the community.

That's it.

Samuraid is supposed to handle the backend, not Ghan. Ghan shouldn't be fucking around behind the scenes, as a community director that is not his job, period.

So he either needs to cut that shit or get off the staff.

Or get a new position.

 

[~Void~]

I beg to differ, I just became a request moderator, along with my previous moderating duties, not because its fun (I can assure its not FUN) but because the section is in need of reform, I think Lazyness is just a factor in what your talking about Dusk.

Or just not wanting to.

 

[Traxamillion]

Or just not wanting to.

There is a reason for everything, or i'd like to think there is.

 

[~Void~]

Well if you don't want to do something, maybe it is because you don't have motivation to do it or because you don't like it. Or both.

 

[Traxamillion]

Not all work is fun, and if you dont want to do your duty, then fuck off. Plain and simple.