Approved
Fixed. Thanks.
I'm using invisible platforms which make the units stand on them and if they are not properly placed, it might look as if units levitate. Lowered it and others.
Hmm. There's a hint about using ESC to put the camera up and DELETE to reset it. Check the Log to see if the message is there. I'm curious.Edit: Ah and also. Could you make a chat command available that resets the camera when zoomed in? In the labyrinth part its like game over
1giga man!
Don't worry. Game messages aren't always that visible especially when they pop-up when you've just entered a new zone and your eyes feast on the unknown.
I guess I did most my testing in that zone on Normal.
Fixed! (hopefully)
You've tested the newly uploaded version? By the way, you can write test in the chat box to get to the elevator that leads to the tunnels and then after being shrunk, write test2 to get teleported to the fire traps. You still have to activate them and take the penguin (if it's not already on you) again.
but there is something not letting the Yeti sense that well. Correlate this hint with the sentence above.Hmm? I'm not sure I follow. The spikes deal damage when they appear and the frost traps too but they also slow you down. About the orc barricade doodad, they instantly kill you if the timer ends and you fall on them. Oh, you realized it yourself. Well, the timer expires, it's only 20 seconds so if you don't hurry and take too much time to pass the on-off traps then you might fall. There's a countdown timer that appears on the top right corner.
Yes, it's a game issue, I guess. I forgot to make the fire traps area visible in this update when you're nearby. No need to prove it via a video. I knew of the issue but just didn't think it'd be too problematic. It's annoying, it's true.
Yes, that might be one of the reasons. I usually test listening to music
I'll see if I can "fix" it, although that is quite unimportant. Thanks for the detail, it means you're a perfectionist.
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Yeah, me too.
Oh what the hell man...
, there's another little vision issue. )
Heh, the region was not wide enough.
Uh, I've had problems with this in the past. Wait a minute... Do you mean the quake still shakes after getting out of the giant's zone? I do not see that in the video. If not, then it works as intended. The shaking lasts as long as you are in the giant's room
It's to make the puzzle harder. Although it shouldn't really shake where you stood if the giant isn't moving. But, I didn't see how it started to freeze like that. Never mind, just tested it myself and yeah...Well, the glaives are visible. I've increased their sight range to make their visibility better.And when you stand in the middle of, yeah, lets call it roundabout of glaves
Added a respawn point right in the middle if your reach (glaive roundabout zone) it first.
Hmm. There's a pattern. If you count, you'll realize when the longest yellow comes. I'll try changing it if you still feel the same way with the waypoint in the middle.
Your wonder is a reality.
Haha. Just try it and tell me if you've succeeded that way. Also, that would be cheating too
that's a funny idea for future stuff, maybe But he had it coming did he not? Ask Arthas. Don't worry, there'll b more flying about but not due to a potion.
It seems just a little too sensitive, the trap.
Haha. Just try it and tell me if you've succeeded that way. Also, that would be cheating too
) This is a quite odd one as well. (together with the thing behind the frost traps) Couldnt figure it out so far. Ill try next time.
Yeah, forgot about that. It's because of the difficulty option I added later on. Oh darn, I wrote the total opposite. It's freeze.
Because the puzzle cannot be repeated if you die when it is activated. So you actually lose the fun of completing it properly. You also get that notice right before reaching the fire and water scarabs.
I'll have to see what this is about. Well, it's tricky since you actually reached the entrance to that room right before dying and that spot sets the waypoint for a bit south, just north of the frost traps. I'll change it to the spot your reach to instead.
Eh, this is irrelevant at this point. I'll see what I can do.
I'll have to test myself to see if this is a issue. I didn't really find it to be so. You're not supposed to cross with only the penguin through there by the way.4. Also I feel that the area they affect is slightly too big. I don't have a video this time to explain, but I have the feeling that a little perfectionist adjusting would fix the feel here, if you understand.
You get a checkpoint there so you won't have to start from the northern part or who knows where else. I don't see a problem with this. It's also a puzzle in itself for you to realize that you cannot simply do something there without "help" or exploring other rooms. I've played a lot of puzzle point and click games, so you get where some of the inspiration comes from.
I'll go with the second part of the phrase.
.. So, it's much better, but you took the very special effect, that has the identical sound effect like the frost traps do and that is a little tiny bit not optimal. I think the frost spell of the Naga Royal Guard could fit, but don't know. But I very much appreciate that you care about these details I bring up so annoyingly often, though. Because this feels like gambling here so far. ) (A start after this would be luxurous, but is not really necessary. I can play that part again.)
Yeah, forgot to see what that is about. It's because the played sound lasts longer than 1 second and it takes one 1 second for the other traps to start. Had to use variables to stop the sound manually.
Slightly, since it has water over it which is frozen. That's how I imagined it whilst the penguin is mostly dry.
You just have to pay attention to the pattern and the free spaces you have to go to. I'd have to remake the whole trap thing there to create the slack you're referring to. If I increase the time before they appear, then you might be able to cross right to the switch from the lever instead of doing it the correct way. Just, don't give up so easily. It's easier than the blinking circles.I very much think a little offset would be perfect here
You could use triggerting sound but you can create dummy destructible that plays sound on its death. Create destructible and kill instantly. It plays sound without the delay.
So do I attach the sound to destructibles via triggers or is there a way to set it in the object editor? I'm using the normal World Editor by the way.
Every destructible has Sound on death effect in the object editor.
Lol
Never will be my forte as I won't invest too much time in it
Really!? Like what, would you please take a screenshot of some so I know what you mean.
Yeah, it's because of the invisible platforms. It was a pain to do that shrinking business with terrain between cliffs where virtually no ground unit can fit in unless collision is off. It's where the platforms saved me but with the price of weird pathing.
Indeed. I'm not sure if it's actually the engine itself or me not knowing exactly how to make things damage Illidan in a smooth way.
True. Many players had had issues with that but making the place wider would make it too easy because Arthas moves slower than Illidan. The idea is for you to discover the zone first and then realize you can draw Arthas to the zone where the troll is and then come back to the starting zone collect some coins and repeat so that you let Arthas be as far as Illidan as possible.
I didn't get errors as I tend to the leaks. Do you remember where the map started lagging? Where was Illidan, during which puzzle?
It works in some places where I thought players might need hints. Yeah, it's not recommended to play normal first unless you have experience with the genre.
Well, I am not sure this should be a con since it's like saying football is not for football lovers. This also applies to the pro. By the way, having that both as a pro and con basically makes it null.
Well this also shouldn't be a con (depending on context of course) since most escape/puzzle maps are devoid of any story whatsoever. But I agree with you that it doesn't have character development.
and if you had any need for the walkthrough or not.
So you at least tried them
?Would you mind sharing in what parts of the game? Also, if you have time and remember, I would really appreciate it if you can tell me what did you think would have been impossible without the walkthrough (and why if possible).Actually, yup, I did need the Walkthrough
Right from the intro? It's surely not the map's fault. When I had problems with leaks it was where the green and red arrows are but I fixed that issue and it didn't happen to me anymore.
Hmm, in some parts they are faster than usual. I sometimes have problems with them too but it's because of my reaction speed
Well, it's not an RPG. It's a puzzle game, mostly
And technically speaking you do get an ability at the end and 9 levels somewhere in the middle of the journey
Yeah I didSo you at least tried them
Please don't judge, I was feeling agitated after saving and loading SOO many freaking timesYeah, Sure.
No, believe me, the part where the power circles become valid gradually in two from the top [near those circling green spirits] I think had the most latency. Took me 6-7 tries, even though I stepped when it had the colour.I sometimes have problems with them too but it's because of my reaction speed
And technically speaking you do get an ability at the end
Hehe, I thought that after the penguin business, players might get the idea.
Yeah, others have had trouble with that one too.
When you get the orb, after the warden blinks out?
That's not really a puzzle, it's a cheap move from me that you have to realize the barrier is now vulnerable because you've become stronger getting the orb It does take time especially to learn the patterns and work a bit on your reaction time.
When you need to fight the doppelganger with the defend ability you get after taking the scales? That's hard indeed because Illidan runs when attacked because he can't retaliate like a normal unit and acts like a villager/critter right into the blood pool. I think there's a fix to that if I set that the unit cannot flee in the object editor. I hope that works. I'll see about it if I don't forget. Thanks for reminding me directly or indirectly
Try the first difficulty where you are respawned after dying. You need only save in key points or before you decide to not play anymore in a set amount of time.Yeah I did
Oh, where a switch is nearby to the south? Yeah, those circles aren't perfect but they're manageable. I'll see if I'll increase the delay.
I'd love it if you would be more specific. Where do you think hints should have been given?
Well, you get notifications in some key points that saving a different file is recommended.
Thanks again! I really appreciate thoughtful feedback.
Ha-ha. It now makes sense with the unaccepted Black Death theory: Ring a Ring o' Roses - Wikipedia
you should first play it on Easy so you will respawn if you don't want to quicksave once in few seconds .
Many have complained that the map is too hard. I tried making it enjoyable for most people.
Ha-ha. Thanks for taking the time (and pain) to get through this. Most of this trip was an experiment that helped me learn a thing or two about the World Editor.
one of my favorite WC3 maps is tricks n traps so it really wasn't pain
thanks but complex triggers aren't always fun, and they often aren't atmospheric. our maps have different strengths, and i can definitely learn from yoursNot sure how much inspiration this thing is to you when you've got much more complex triggering
Wondering if this is how you did it (see attached video file).
yes lol, i love the music choice. is that not how you're supposed to do it?
i just played it, so on 1.32.1
Hmm, what do you mean? It's shown in the video
Basically, you just have to use the southernmost fire trap to lure the Yeti by placing the thawed penguin over the trap's markings (of course the Yeti comes to the the penguin wherever it is placed in the region from that mark to the creature's place, included; you can be attacked and killed if you go in that region with the thawed penguin on you).Glad to know it works on it. I've saved this map with 1.27.
