So... will people still play WC3?

[ShadowHunter291]

It may have lasted longer if WoW didn't completely rape the storyline.

You just summarized what I rant about every day.

Anyways my answer is that most will stop playing Warcraft 3, except people who have crap computers and can't run Sc2, and hardcore ladder fans who can't live without their blademaster.

 

[Knuxrurlz13]

Well, I'm not completely sure about what will happen, but for me, I'll always go back to Warcraft 3. I've had this game for about 5 years (sounds right) and I keep coming back to it, no matter what I play, whether it be WoW, Anarchy Online, or my 360. I just enjoy this game too much and I prefer the Medieval to Sci-Fi anyday.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Ultimately, no - though it will take longer to die than some people would think, imo.

The idea of another Warcraft RTS will not sit idle for five years though, we'll make sure of that.

 

[Kingz]

If you started up Galaxy editor at least once, you would know that WC3 won't last long after SC2 is released.

 

[Billy the Cat]

If you started up Galaxy editor at least once, you would know that WC3 won't last long after SC2 is released.

Lets hope that people actually make good use of all the new options and won't be scared away by all that complicated stuff. xD

 

[Rui]

I don't even know if I'm going to buy Starcraft II. High-technology-scientific-fiction just isn't my style, but medieval and fantasy fiction. The problem is that most people will move on, and playing a dead game or developing a map for it is not worth it. If I move to Starcraft II, it'll be for map development reasons, most likely.

 

[rockthar]

WoW don't have much of a good story, but still...

I dont think you know anything about the lore anyway

 

[The World Is Flat]

Wow, had a disgusting story.

 

[Fussiler1]

Wow, had a disgusting story.

What's the fun of a game if you can't kill its major characters?

 

[The World Is Flat]

I destroyed the sactity of serious and engaging story so you could kill arthas every day.

 

[SasuhKun]

I dont think you know anything about the lore anyway

Actually, I do. Propably more than you do. Just because I know Warcraft Lore, does that not mean I cannot appreciate WoW Lore? Just because they twisted a bit so it could fit in its game genre? I mean, everyone think like that. It is just ridiculous sometimes... all the people that I know and play wc3 accordingly (except myself) hate WoW for unknown reasons to men. I mean, it is just non sense. It is ok if you really dislike it and think it could be better. But everyone hates it... it is like a trend. If you play wc3, you hate wow. And that's it.

I destroyed the sactity of serious and engaging story so you could kill arthas every day.

Again, a adaptation. Well, technically, you can also kill the wc3 bosses many and many times, by playing the campaign over and over again. And the second and third times are not as good as the first. Everyone can remember their first time they killed any chief or boss in any game whatsoever, not only wow or wc3. But they can do it again. And the very first time (first guy to end the campaigns, first raid to kill a boss, etc etc) will be eternal. So in this case, you just make the events of the very first kill the definitive.

I just hope that this prejudiced belief many of you have will soon dissipate.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Aahahah. Dude, in wow, you kill em' over and over again, without REPLAYING or RESTARTING the story. in war3 you can ony ever kill them ONCE. regarless if you play the camp over and over again.

 

[SasuhKun]

Aahahah. Dude, in wow, you kill em' over and over again, without REPLAYING or RESTARTING the story. in war3 you can ony ever kill them ONCE. regarless if you play the camp over and over again.

I don't get the difference. Technically, the history runs over the same and same again, with some differences like in all the times you try.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Wc3 timeline:

1st time: -------------kill---------RESTART

2nd time: RESTART ------------kill--------RESTART

3rd time: RESTART -----------kill---------RESTART


WoW Timline:

1st time: -------------kill--------same timeline

2nd time: No Restart ------------kill--------same timline

3rd time: No restart ------------kill----------same timeline

Its like doing one mission. killin' mannaroth, and then killin' him again in mission 2. in wc3, you only EVER kill manneroth once in any timeline.

 

[SasuhKun]

Sorry, but I still don't get it D:

*dumb* lol

 

[The World Is Flat]

ok so in wow.

Timeline: ------------kill--------kill-------------kill--------kill-----------kill----------NEVEREND

right? so you can kill arthas as many times as you like, and he keeps comin' back

Wc3: ---------kill-----Restart

See? in one instance of the universe you can kill arthas as many times as you like in WoW. in Wc3, arthas can only die once in any instance of the universe. (or whoever you kill) you can replay the capaigns, but each time you do, you start a new universe. in wow, you can kill arthas a milion times in the same universe....

gah. somone else expain.

 

[elfian]

Let's just summarize it the simple way: World of Warcraft... SUCKS. ^^ End of story.

 

[Mille25]

after using the editor since it came out, i can say, that i dont believe that wc3 mapping will live on after the sc2 release.

1) the possibilities of the sc2 editor are just much bigger.
2) sc2 will have much more players than wc3 right now, so the maps will be played by more people wich gives more motivation

i dont see the point of wc3 mapping anymore. ~~

 

[elfian]

after using the editor since it came out, i can say, that i dont believe that wc3 mapping will live on after the sc2 release.

1) the possibilities of the sc2 editor are just much bigger.
2) sc2 will have much more players than wc3 right now, so the maps will be played by more people wich gives more motivation

i dont see the point of wc3 mapping anymore. ~~

You still can't make maps like Escape Maker or Movie Maker, because of the lack of natives that can manipulate and get information about the environment Also WCIII has thousands of models, icons, maps, tutorials and other bullshit to it. SC2 still has almost none.

 

[Mille25]

You still can't make maps like Escape Maker or Movie Maker, because of the lack of natives that can manipulate and get information about the environment Also WCIII has thousands of models, icons, maps, tutorials and other bullshit to it. SC2 still has almost none.

models, maps, tutorials and icons will also be available for sc2 in some time.
addicionally the editor is just an early beta version, so lets see what will change (even if i dont believt it will change much)

 

[elfian]

models, maps, tutorials and icons will also be available for sc2 in some time.
addicionally the editor is just an early beta version, so lets see what will change (even if i dont believt it will change much)

That's what I'm saying. SCII won't kill WCIII until we get a shiatload of dev content in the web. However, I myself left the WorldEditor behind already

 

[Omniferous]

See? in one instance of the universe you can kill arthas as many times as you like in WoW. in Wc3, arthas can only die once in any instance of the universe. (or whoever you kill) you can replay the capaigns, but each time you do, you start a new universe. in wow, you can kill arthas a milion times in the same universe....

gah. somone else expain.

Three words:

Altar of Kings. =)

 

[SasuhKun]

ok so in wow.

Timeline: ------------kill--------kill-------------kill--------kill-----------kill----------NEVEREND

right? so you can kill arthas as many times as you like, and he keeps comin' back

Wc3: ---------kill-----Restart

See? in one instance of the universe you can kill arthas as many times as you like in WoW. in Wc3, arthas can only die once in any instance of the universe. (or whoever you kill) you can replay the capaigns, but each time you do, you start a new universe. in wow, you can kill arthas a milion times in the same universe....

gah. somone else expain.

Well, in both you either run with an army/party into their base, kill everyone then kill the boss (Arthas killing Kel Thuzad, most dungeons...) or in the midst of a battle (For the Frozen Throne for example) you kill their armies, they revive and produce more, and that keeps going on until on side wins... which would be our Battleground. (Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin, etc) And actually, after you kill Arthas, there is a whole cinematic going on, and you KILLED Arthas (for the very first time), and that's what matters. In the next week, you RESTART THE INSTANCE WHEN YOU GO PLAY IT FOR THE SECOND TIME. So yeah, there's a restart too.

Let's just summarize it the simple way: World of Warcraft... SUCKS. ^^ End of story.

NUU YOU NEVER PLAYED IT! D:

Three words:

Altar of Kings. =)

Another point... to my side! Wee.

I think that the flaw that you are searching in WoW's lore is the fact that everyone just joined a side and that's it (aside from Illidan, Arthas, and Deathwing) which would be impractical in our current lore... Technically, in the WoW, the Draenei just embraced the light... Blood elfs appeared out of nothing and claimed Silvermoon once again... the Knights of Ebon Blade were created.... etc. IN THAT, I admit there is a flaw. It is very cool and practical on WoW to choose a side... no other MMORPG ever have it. But in Warcraft RTS series, it is just impossible. Some other things.. technically, Theramore should be a way greater island... AND should be neutral, not from the Alliance's side. Also, gnomes appeared out of nowhere...

Wow? don;t make me giggle. Wow never happened.

Here where it began >:B

And please explicit the reason everyone hates the WoW lore... I mean, the guys made a really good history. (The only exception is when someone made a map of halloween or something... maybe it was that Blizzard map... I forgot the name. Well, the guy said: "Well, in the truth, Halloween is the date where the Forsaken commemorate the date of their freedom" THAT GUY was nuts.)

 

[The World Is Flat]

They screwed the hell out of it and made it suck so hard. dude. Naaru? wtf? lame. Elune Naaru? THE MOST FOKIN' RETARDED THING. the alliance made peace? deathwing returns? gobbos join the horde? no more demon invasions dude, its WARCRAFT. FTW. WARCRAFT. wht are the races at IF NOT WAR. lol. wow is dumbshit.

 

[SasuhKun]

Technically, they are. The difference is that the majority (and playable) factions joined one side and faced each other. Like.. in wc3 they were Humans+Dwarfs=Orcs+Trolls+Ogres (in the very beginning) Later on, the elfs joined the fight and the trolls and ogres left them. In a certain moment, trolls (ISLAND trolls, which are blue) come back and the Tauren join too. Then, briefly, it is everyone against the burning legion.... then the old hatred come back. Orcs, Taurens, Trolls... and now, for apparent reasons, The Banshee Queen wanted a relationship with them. Who knows it. And Silvermoon was rebirth from the ashes... to join the Horde, since they got betrayed by the humans (Stupid Garithos) On Alliance, the Humans, Dwarfs (High elfs left, got betrayed) Gnomes (out of nowhere) Night Elfs (still have a peace pact with the humans) and now followers of the Naaru (Ooooout of nothing) and of the Light, Draenei come in a gigantic inter dimensional ship to Azeroth, just to join the Alliance. Yay. Yeah, kinda of strange, but the events that them tell (some conflicts, for example dungeon cinematics, and most elaborated things like World Events) are good.

 

[elfian]

"NUU YOU NEVER PLAYED IT! D:"

I played it for two years and I still think it's the worst game ever.

 

[SasuhKun]

Really? If you say so :B

 

[The World Is Flat]

Yes. it is fact.

 

[Noobius]

Agggh! Come on make luv not World of Warcraft... Anyways Sarcraft 2 is just an advanced version of warcraft....
The horde just got exterminated and turned into the Zerg swarm...(Notice how Sarah Kerrigans skin is green...)
More to the point of WoW... Well, just face it...Nerds Nerdified the game a year after its release...which means its lamaged and gay now but it was awesome before...


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Anti-DotA

Do you hate DotA? Do scream frustratedly at your friends who think Warcraft III is DotA? Do you wish DotA was never made?
Do you weep because of its gayness? Then make a different AOS that credits Warcraft III and puts DotA to shame!!!! Join the Anti-DotA movement today!

 

[elfian]

Agggh! Come on make luv not World of Warcraft... Anyways Sarcraft 2 is just an advanced version of warcraft....
The horde just got exterminated and turned into the Zerg swarm...(Notice how Sarah Kerrigans skin is green...)
More to the point of WoW... Well, just face it...Nerds Nerdified the game a year after its release...which means its lamaged and gay now but it was awesome before...


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Anti-DotA

Do you hate DotA? Do scream frustratedly at your friends who think Warcraft III is DotA? Do you wish DotA was never made?
Do you weep because of its gayness? Then make a different AOS that credits Warcraft III and puts DotA to shame!!!! Join the Anti-DotA movement today!

I wanna joinz0r the Anti-Dota bastaz and liek ttly destroyh4x this lamex0r ung4metat0r.

By the way. I totally agree with you. Liek 100%. World of Warcraft was uber cool until it turned into a mob-grinding powerup-collecting stat-increasing level-raising bullshit. Roleplay for the win.

 

[syltman]

I won't mod sc2 untill I get a decent script editor intergrated with sc2 editor, seriously the GUI makes it impossible to mod >.<

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

There's a lot of un-mod friendly things in Sc2. Making people pay for maps is a bit dumb, even if the modders are the ones getting the money (in the end blizz wins in this), I heard somewhere that Bliz is putting a thing in the rules that allows them to have ownership of your ideas, be it a model, map, etc.

Also Facebook integration? SERIOUSLY? I lost a lot of respect for Blizzard when I heard this.

People will still mod Wc3, people will still play Wc3 - and hopefully all the Dota junkies transition to Sc2 leaving the Wc3 players some well deserved breathing room (even better, hopefully the Dota junkies will leave blizzard games all together).

 

[Billy the Cat]

Turns out my DotA League playing friends either plan on staying with Warcraft III or went to Heroes of Newerth.
I've heard the Blizzard ownership rule was the same for Warcraft III.

 

[elfian]

I won't mod sc2 untill I get a decent script editor intergrated with sc2 editor, seriously the GUI makes it impossible to mod >.<

I support you. GUI SUCKS Sadly Blizzard said that they do not intend to make it like in Warcraft III with fully JASS generated triggers >_> Only custom script Damned fools.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Well where Blizzard fails the modding community always fixes it - just look at vJass

 

[Kingz]

Also Facebook integration? SERIOUSLY? I lost a lot of respect for Blizzard when I heard this.

It is easier to get hooked on something if it is on facebook.

I won't mod sc2 untill I get a decent script editor intergrated with sc2 editor, seriously the GUI makes it impossible to mod >.<

Wrong!

Imo it is fun to play around in the galaxy editor, custom scripts or not.

 

[Grantuu]

I think I'll stay with good 'ol warcraft 3 unless most stopped modding.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

It is easier to get hooked on something if it is on facebook.

Well when your shooting lasers beams from giant space ships or sending hordes of Zerg at the enemy your not exactly making friends....

 

[Noobius]

I wouldn't be surprised if IceFrog creates a SC2 DotA and makes Starcraft look crap...

Anti-DotA

Do you hate DotA? Do scream frustratedly at your friends who think Warcraft III is DotA? Do you wish DotA was never made? Do you weep because of its gayness?
Then make a different AOS that credits Warcraft III and puts DotA to shame!!!! Join the Anti-DotA movement today!

 

[lord_ken]

I'm playing both games actually. I still haven't played SC2 beta yet cause its not finished patching yet, And I also had to get out of town for a while for... Business.

 

[elfian]

I wouldn't be surprised if IceFrog creates a SC2 DotA and makes Starcraft look crap...

Anti-DotA

Do you hate DotA? Do scream frustratedly at your friends who think Warcraft III is DotA? Do you wish DotA was never made? Do you weep because of its gayness?
Then make a different AOS that credits Warcraft III and puts DotA to shame!!!! Join the Anti-DotA movement today!

We gotta be faster than him.

 

[Numerion]

I wouldn't be surprised if IceFrog creates a SC2 DotA and makes Starcraft look crap...

Anti-DotA

Do you hate DotA? Do scream frustratedly at your friends who think Warcraft III is DotA? Do you wish DotA was never made? Do you weep because of its gayness?
Then make a different AOS that credits Warcraft III and puts DotA to shame!!!! Join the Anti-DotA movement today!

guys...you are making me nervous...If you know , its not Icefrog's fault that lots of people doesn't see warcraft behind dota...

and btw...Icefrog has his personalblog where he stated that he isn't going to make dota for SC2... SO GODDAMN STOP WITH THAT...

 

[syltman]

Imo it is fun to play around in the galaxy editor, custom scripts or not.

No the gui gives me a headache.

Also to the facebook thing: why not?

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the starcraft 2 patching process have a tendency of stopping. i know because i had to restart the beta client multiple times per patch. (if i got lucky i just had to restart to apply the patch.) i have checked out the starcraft 2 trigger editor.(it is incomplete.) i will most likely keep working on warcraft 3 for the time being.

 

[The World Is Flat]

it seems to be a bug related to some computers. most have to issue. also, the galaxy editor is slated to recive a massive update on release.

28 to 30... looks like its 50/50 'bout. prolly more are going to switch after release.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Also to the facebook thing: why not?

Because Facebook is evil

 

[Kingz]

Did Icefrog ever insulted anyones project/map?

I think not, so think twice before doing so yourself, because in fact you aren't better than him.

On the topic, Facebook would make SC2 more popular, because if a friend would ask you:
"Hey what are you doing?"
"Oh well i am playing SC2"
"What is it?"
"It is a fun game, you should try it out "

Anyway they are expanding, Facebook seems logical.

And no i am not a Facebook fan, i don't like it's concept and i don't have an account there, but if you would look this from the marketing perception like blizzard it would make sense.

 

[elfian]

Did Icefrog ever insulted anyones project/map?

I think not, so think twice before doing so yourself, because in fact you aren't better than him.

On the topic, Facebook would make SC2 more popular, because if a friend would ask you:
"Hey what are you doing?"
"Oh well i am playing SC2"
"What is it?"
"It is a fun game, you should try it out "

Anyway they are expanding, Facebook seems logical.

And no i am not a Facebook fan, i don't like it's concept and i don't have an account there, but if you would look this from the marketing perception like blizzard it would make sense.

How would you ever know if he did or if he did not? But that's not the point. We aren't insulting his project (atleast me?), but we are insulting the fact that people think Warcraft III = DotA and play almost nothing else but DotA, even tho there are hundreds of other fun maps out there...

 

[-Kobas-]

Well you should add above "I will use both at same time "

 

[Lag_Reviews]

I am staying with Warcraft 3.

The main reason I am staying with Warcraft 3 is because I think Starcraft 2 is the biggest joke ever.

As I played a bit of Starcraft 1 and it was fun and good while it lasted, then they go and release Starcraft 2 which in my eyes is the biggest joke ever.

I have played the beta of Starcraft 2 and in my eyes it is way too late to be being released now, that it is old. There really isn't that much new in Starcraft 2 then the original the only difference is the graphics and one or 2 new units here and there and some balancing etc.

Plus as Starcraft 2 has no new races to Starcraft 1, I think it is a waste and ontop of all that their is no LAN function and we have to pay for all the campaigns ourselves which is a big joke and waste of money.

Also I like the originality of Warcraft 3 as it has Heroes which in my opinion make Warcraft unique as normal Starcraft/Starcraft 2 maps do not have heroes in them, makes Starcraft a unit based game and I generally do not like that.

The only reason in m opinion someone would get Starcraft 2 is for the editor and then again I'd still rather stay with Warcraft 3.

That's why I am staying with Warcraft 3,
Lag_Reviews

PS: July is the proposed release date of Warcraft 4 (Made by an independent company and I have been waiting for this for a while) and the proposed released Date of Starcraft 2, I'm pretty sure I'd rather download Warcraft 4 (Which has more proposed updates to Warcraft 3 than Starcraft has to Starcraft 2) than have to pay over $500 new for a game and campaigns.

Also the free Warcraft 4 is proposed to have an all new Warcraft 3 editor which includes weather effects and many more surprises... So basically I have the option of getting a Free better sounding upgrade to Warcraft or paying $500(covers the cost of campaigns) and getting a lame way too late to be released half upgraded version of Starcraft 1 which will have no lan and you have to pay for almost every aspect of the game.