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''The violators may be banned.'' is from GTA, ''Violators get shot.'' =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rules about Software Piracy
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Well, I was too lazy to reply to that. So I found an image with some text:Kitabatake said:I might sound weird, but in Finland there is a thing which is called "freedom of speech". You should really try that on hive too!
Go back to your own thread please. We don't like noobs/THWhaters here.
This is a normal thread.
There is also another thing. I know that in chatroom we should speak english, but I was already banned because spoke the foreign words for this reasons: greeting a friend in his language, forgetting to double click the name and explaining somebody an international abbreviation which words are in a foreign language. This does not make any sense to me.
And if this seems a nazi symbol to you are you either ignorant or retarded
The swastika is actually the Hindu symbol for good. By the way, the Nazis not only rotated it but reversed the direction that their swastika swirls.
What I'm saying is: If nazi stuff is forbidden, why is soviet, american, religious and other political stuff not forbidden?
Ya..... When I joined this site a few days ago I felt like it was pretty strict. You have to type 15 characters to post. I'm not complaining about the signature sizes but when I joining a site for the first time (wasn't my first for this one) and to have to type 15 characters it can make people wonder.
Well, I was too lazy to reply to that. So I found an image with some text:
Pirated stuff is illegal talk here because:
We are a fairly large site.
We have many many viewers.
Should one of those viewers, say, be a person who works for 3ds max, and sees all these links to downloads, we can get shut down in an instant, and any users that can be traced will be arrested.
On Nazism-
Nazis are a touchy subject, such that so many more people will be offended if one says
"Heil Hitler!"
as opposed to
"Vote for Bush!"
We are trying to keep this as a non-offensive community, saying offensive things are a big no-no.
--donut3.5--
The 15 characters thing isn't even something thats just for hive, it is a thing that is in every vB forum, and probably just about every other forum software you could get.
True, we do have strict rules. That's no secret. But all of them were made for a perfectly good reason I assume.Kitabatake said:I know it isn't ABOUT freedom of speech, that would be pointless. But it doesn't mean this site couldn't have freedom of speech.
Well, I guess I misrepresented that sentence. What I meant with that was: this is no place to encourage racism, terrorism, Nazism or the like.Kitabatake said:How about removing off topic forum, medivhs tower, chat and everything that has something to do with speaking?
And yes, that was sarcasm -.-
It isn't?Kitabatake said:And also if discussion about nazism is not allowed, then why isn't terrorism and communism and other stuff like that also forbidden?
Well, I wont say that talking about the fact that there does exist racistic ideologies is prohibited.Kitabatake said:If you mean discriminating someone because of their ethnic background: no
If you mean having a discussion about the subject, it's reasons and effects: probably
Actually the Medivh forum was set up during my inacitivty, so I wouldn't have anything to do with that.Kitabatake said:[Archian imitation]Then what the fuck do you have medivhs towers and off topic sections for [/Archian imitation]
Thanks, we appreciate any suggestions our users may have to help us improve our growing communityKitabatake said:The only reason I'm posting here is because I am willing to help make the site a better place by giving my suggestions
Why SHOULD a site devoted to war3 modding (and now also sc2) allow ppl to talk about Nazi's, piracy etc.?
You honestly think its a good idea to have discussinos on Nazi's and Piracy on THIS site?
There are many political/relgious sites and piracy sites out there where you could talk about all that stuff.
A suggestion? It seems more of an open flame of them, to me.Exactly! And this thread is my suggestion on the rules
....What?Oh really? Well that's too bad..
HeheheHAHAHAHAA!!
Tripping on your own rules?
+2 rep just for the hell of it!
As an admin you should know better...
And since the discussion is about the community's rules, it's better to have an open topic for everyone to see. If however the thread get's spammy or turns into a flamewar, we can continue the discussion in the admin contact forum.
But for now let's continue here!
"The site rules may be freely discussed by members of the community in THW's Site Discussion forum."
Your rules give me the perfect right to discuss here.
Can you now see what is wrong with the rules? You don't even seem to know them yourself!
If you do not wish for the people like me to come here and point out their opinion you should remove that rule.
Suggestions!
- Remove that rule
OR- Stop acting like that
OR- Make no sense by keeping the rule and the behaviour (not recommended)
I'm talking about open and free discussion about the subject. If someone starts flaming or spamming then he can be punished.
The site has moderators that can keep the threads and members in order if the topic would for some reason turn into a flamewar.
Possibly because they're not as likely to spark into massive hate-fests?And also if discussion about nazism is not allowed, then why isn't terrorism and communism and other stuff like that also forbidden?
You should either:
- If you wish to make the site more free:
make nazism and piratism allowed topics- If you wish to make the site more "safe":
make terrorism, communism and similar stuff also forbidden- If you wish to make no sense:
leave the rules as they are
The only reason I'm posting here is because I am willing to help make the site a better place by giving my suggestions on the rules and pointing out how ridiculous some of them are.
You also missed my point. I never said that hive should support piratism or allow illegal activities, but talking about piratism is not illegal so why should it be forbidden?
The same reason as piratism?The same thing as with piratism, why would all talk about nazis be totally forbidden?
It isn't, but as I've said before, discussion of it could easily get out of hand, either into becoming illegal or turning into flamewars. And as they say, prevention is better than a cure.Discussion about piracy is not illegal. Or is it in your home country?
Oddly, that doesn't change what the majority of Hive member's associate it with.Actually swastika is still used in many cultures as a sign of good luck.
Source?Actually soviets killed far more civilians than nazis
Oddly, that would include the right to insult people.I'm not here to defend the right to insult someone, I'm here to defend the right to talk freely about any subject as long as it does not go to the illegal side.
I though we had some freedom of speech already, in fact, more than some, quite alot, really.Where do you get all these ideas?
As the title says: "How about adding SOME freedom of speech", not "total freedom of speech"
Anyway sorry if it has any grammar errors or harsh behaviour in any degree, I'm a bit busy currently.
Common sense...... Spacebars only weakness. Gotta remind that.Next time bring your common sense with you, kitabatake.
Freely discussed, yes. That doesn't mean that anything is going to change."The site rules may be freely discussed by members of the community in THW's Site Discussion forum."
Your rules give me the perfect right to discuss here.
I'm sure that people would like you to do it in a manner that would be a little less openly harsh of THW. Which, by the way, is a dictatorship.If you do not wish for the people like me to come here and point out their opinion you should remove that rule.
The Off-Topic forum is seriously exclusively what some people come here for, even if they found out about THW looking for WC3 stuff.How about removing off topic forum, medivhs tower, chat and everything that has something to do with speaking?
About communism at least, because there's nothing wrong with it. It's an economic system in which benefits are spread out equally with no regard to status or profession. IMO, a working communism would be several hundred times better than the capitalist system that the US currently has, but that's beside the point.And also if discussion about nazism is not allowed, then why isn't terrorism and communism and other stuff like that also forbidden?
Because there's nothing to say about piracy other than "lol it suxx for business." Not to mention, THW not only doesn't support piracy but is against it, to my understanding. Also, talking about piracy's punishments is not the same as talking about piracy.You also missed my point. I never said that hive should support piratism or allow illegal activities, but talking about piratism is not illegal so why should it be forbidden?
. . .Ah now I understand. At first I thought that hive would also be against calling someone with an abbreviated nickname and that would have been pathetic
Depends on what I'm responding to.( btw. be proud, you have more manners than some of the admins here )
He said we don't talk about piracy because piracy is illegal. When he said "it", he was referring to piracy, not the discussion of piracy.Discussion about piracy is not illegal. Or is it in your home country?
THW's administration is against discussion of illegal and highly touchy things because this is the "nice" part of the internet. If you really want to talk about illegal or touchy things, there are MUCH better places.I'm not here to defend the right to insult someone, I'm here to defend the right to talk freely about any subject as long as it does not go to the illegal side.
Because we are mostly American and love to be insulted so that we can insult people back.Where do you get all these ideas?
As the title says: "How about adding SOME freedom of speech", not "total freedom of speech"
This is about rules against freedom of speech, smart one.I'm way confused right now, this is about freedom of speech, right? Not rules, right?
Oh yeah, so just because I talk about child molestors, I am one?Common sense...... Spacebars only weakness. Gotta remind that.
Jesus Christ, did you ever consider paragraphs? Let me pick off what I can care about.My opinion would be not to. If we did it would be chaos. This is why we have rules right? We would have insult contests in personal messages because someone "hurt their feelings" or "didn't help me at all" we would have racists everywhere blurting out whatever they want. I'm glad for these rules. Another reason there are tons of kids out there on this forum and playing wc3. If we can talk about whatever we wanted and said whatever we wanted it would go up into chaos and we would be setting a bad example for the kids. For your kids and even kids from around the world. They all search the sites, and most kids like to copy other people. So how would you like it if your kids read something anywhere then calling you it? "Well kids don't know better we will just tell them its wrong and let them go on" Well true kids don't know what their saying most of the time, but they will keep reading different words, saying to you and what are you going to do about it, just keep saying "Well kids don't know better?" If you keep that up then they will start telling it to their friends and not talk to you. Start doing it all the time, then they will just keep going and going until their generation becomes like ours, BUT! there is a good side. Like you said we can't say a lot, if we cut back on SOME not ALL like vulgarity and all that then just maybe they could think about it, but if its just because you want to act tough to this website then your in the wrong place....We have to think about the future, we can't just think everything is about ME ME ME and hope everything gets given to you. Once we die the world isn't going to have a extinction of people in the universe. The world will keep going, and if those kids are though good things then it will show in their future, but if we don't then they will be those raged adults that cut everyone off and scream at everyone for not doing something. Why do you think our generation is one of the deadliest, most dangerous generations we've had yet? Its because of people that don't want rules or thing like that.. Now I probably know your next though if your an American, "Our first amendment to the constitution of the united states of america said that we have the freedom of speech. " Your absolutely right. We do have the freedom of speech. If you think we need freedom of speech then you really should open your eyes. Can we talk? Yes. Can we type whatever we want? No. If you called the president and said "I'm going to kill you" and if he says "I am going to find you and arrest you" you can't go off about your first amendment right. That's considered "Plotting to assassinate the president" its a federal crime. If you say to some random person on the street "I'm going to kill you", there probably going to go to the police and file a report. If you try to use your first amendment right its not going to work. Their going to tell you "you plotted a person or persons killing that's a crime your under arrest". (yes it IS a crime to tell ANYONE that your going to kill them). Well now your thinking "Well why would someone be dumb enough to do that. I'm not going to say that!" Well first if someone makes you angry enough you just might. But, if your more "mature", my friend likes to call it, you'll just curse them out. Well this goes back to my first point. Think about the future. Think about all those people who are going to read that post you typed and then think, would I like my child calling me that when he gets mad at me because I didn't buy him a toy. Your probably going to say no. Oh and if you do curse do you know what your saying? You have like knowledge. Whats that mean? Means your about as smart as the next person who curses, and the next, and next, and next, you all have like knowledge.
Exactly!... seriously, you people use the "dictatorship" argument like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Was Kitabake demanding that the mods change the rules? No. He was suggesting the rules be changed because they didn't make sense to him. Either show him in what way it makes sense or spare me your "follow the rules or gtfo" defense.
Yep you're correct. If taboos or touchy subjects are discussed enough, they will lose their "scary power" and won't be so touchy anymore.We are in the fluent English speaking world. Hurt feelings are made a lot more often with non-profanity than profanity.
If there was absolutely nothing against certain words; if people said things like "fuck" as freely as they wished without the critical reaction, it would sort of lose its purpose, wouldn't it? Let's take an elementary school child for example. When I was, say, 6 or so, "shut up" was considered the equivalent to profanity. As it grows more and more freely used, no one really cares about it anymore. It becomes a relatively neutral at around 4th grade. It's lost its offensiveness.
... but from my part everything is clear.
Those are MY words: I wrote that document and will always stand behind it 100% to protect the best interests of our site and its users.Administrative Privilege: These rules have been established by the Hive's administration to govern the site, protect its users and provide them with a pleasant experience. All rules are the exclusive domain of THW's administration and staff. These rules may be modified or amended by the administration at any time, for any reason, without notice.
Rules Discussions: The site rules may be freely discussed by members of the community in THW's Site Discussion forum.
People, I'm getting a huge shitty shit feeling that we're going around IN CIRCLES! Just make up your mind and thats it. @_@