Naga Projects

[Misha]

alright.. let's put it passive to just third tier, no cost

 

[sacridshadow]

Okay, so it'll be like the Black Citadel's ability to attack things. That works too.

for the record, just because you get to tier 3, doesn't mean you're doing well with resources. I've had it where I reach tier 3 by using what little gold and lumber I have. While it's upgrading, I'm creating units or towers to defend myself (lately from var when we play against each other). Different strategies require different amounts of resources, so it affects how well yo're doing.

 

[VeljkoM]

No it will be aura like we agreed.

Ok to reach tier 3 from tier 1 costs 680 gold and 420. That is already high enough price on its own. You see now why I want to avoid more cost for ability that will only effect 1 building.

I soo wish I could play with you.

 

[sacridshadow]

Oh wow. You actually interpreted it as an attack? I was talking about how you get the upgrades. You have to research the ones for humans, orcs, and night elves, but the undead have the attack upgrade as an automatic. I know we're doing aura. We've established that. For the ability, why does it have to be just one building? if your main building is under attack, you're already screwed. taking out the casters' mana won't help you. No, if you have it on the towers, that would actually help more, meaning the player may want to put some towers near their main building, just to make sure it's safe.

 

[VeljkoM]

Oh...well I ain't the sharpest tool in the box ^^;

Well Misha suggested for the tier 3 main building (most likely duo to the animation). i also guess we'll have to make aura have some seriously big range.... wait what upgrade do humans i have in main building?

By the way that reminds me what have we decided for coral beads ability?

 

[Misha]

well.. the mana drain miight extend onto the towers too, but.. someone would have to make 'em

and for coral beds.. I dunno.. think that should remain the same.. we don't need the night elf moonwell ability in them. Naga should replenish mana by drawing from something

but not in a bloodelf way

 

[VeljkoM]

I guess I'll just use the mad scientist approach. Experiment >=D

Well all food producing buildings do serve a defensive purpose. Burrows and ziggurats attack, moon well heal and farms are excellent cheep wall. We could perhaps just keep 15 food as the special thing since it does give advantage.

 

[Misha]

I guess

 

[Sky Green]

Still it would be nice if they woul do something even if they're only used to give food. If you just add extra food, it would be boooring, rather make corals and give the building a weak Thorns aura (Coral Aura) so it would be also a good wall and good for building a outpost fast.

 

[Misha]

I for one would rather change those serpent towers than the coral bed

 

[sacridshadow]

Or you could just use the spiked barricades upgrade. For the food, I suggest that only the coral beds produce it. And we should lower the food count because everyone has to build many farms, and the naga only have to build four. It's kind of cheating there. You don't spend as much resources as the other races do.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well the 15 food was trade of for lacking anything special. And spiked barricades well yea that is better.

 

[Misha]

spiked barricades.. hm.. might wanna try a new effect for the ability

 

[VeljkoM]

Immolation effect? Just by being near enemy gets damaged?

 

[Misha]

No.. it should be something mana-related.. arcane "barbs" ?

I guess someone should look around effects models

 

[varsaigen]

fire coral upgrade? XD

 

[Misha]

I dunno maybe

it needs to be something that'll look good on any naga building when applied

 

[sacridshadow]

Actually, I like the immolate ability. It could be the fire coral upgrade, using magic for the defense spell. It's literally coral on fire. XD For that matter, the building could have mana, like the moonwell, for the defense spell. You should be able to turn it on automatic or manual.

 

[Misha]

ahem we're talking about just making a cosmetic fix on the "spiked baricades" Not a whole defense overhaul Oo

 

[sacridshadow]

but we want the naga to be unique. I highly doubt anyone's made a race taht uses mana to such an extent. It'd really change how people play, and that's what we want.

 

[varsaigen]

if you wanted unique, sacrid, you could have coral that builds more coral structures around it when in the water. >_> coral does that. that's how reefs are formed.

But that wouldn't fit with the gameplay. :/

 

[sacridshadow]

Yeah, but coral does that over a long period of time. If it built up that readily, we wouldn't have to worry about destroying the coral reefs (or having buildings destroyed).

 

[Misha]

but we don't really want to make naga over-complicated to play with >_>

 

[VeljkoM]

We want good mix of cool and practical. All things we decide should have clear role and to be useful (and possible).

 

[Lore-Wolf]

and what if like the building grows (upgrades) over time. since the coral grows.
for example the coral beds. which first gieve 10 food then 12 then 14
or just something like that

 

[sacridshadow]

Since we're having the naga in a new land, a land with a different magical effect than the rest of the world, perhaps we can mess around with the magic the units and buildings have. For example, as a defensive building, the player can build towers that burn units over time. Murloc abilities should be changed a bit, so everything isn't exactly as it was in Frozen Throne.

 

[Misha]

lol magic.. don't tell me my third tier started it

 

[Lolzaxis]

Im absolouty awesome with the Object Editor.

 

[sacridshadow]

Misha, that might be the reason, but I have yet to see a truly unique magic race, and since naga are very adept at arcane magic, why not? You'll probably need them against all the other opponents you'll face.

 

[VeljkoM]

Ugh what murloc abilities exactly? Anyway added to the main building ability to regenerate mana to player units and to drain from enemy units just need some good name for the ability. Current place holder is Mana Manipulation and well..it just proves I shouldn't be allowed to name stuff. Oh and anyone found good model for coral beads ability or should I use mana shield?

 

[Misha]

Maelstrom siphon

how about that for a name :3

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I see no objections so I guess that's the name. Though do you know what siphon is?

 

[Misha]

it's a word of multi-meaning..

 

[VeljkoM]

One of it is this

siphon

,

it is also apparently an organ for squids. Really fun word. Though my point is while it fits great for extracting mana from enemy it doesn't fit for giving mana to allies... it still better then mana manipulation though.

 

[Misha]

indeed, lol

 

[varsaigen]

Hmm... Reminds me of those prison hallways with the mana siphon/mana burn runes engraved everywhere... Good times...

 

[Misha]

darnit var xD You reminded me of that

 

[sacridshadow]

actually, the Blood Mage hero has mana siphon, and he can channel his mana into other allied units. And Velj, I can't see the picture.

 

[VeljkoM]

Basically 2 bottles connected with tube and water flowing through them. And Blood Mage actually does siphon mana that way. Weird word if you ask me. Anyway since we all agree it will be the name of ability.

 

[Misha]

coolio, I'm itching to playtest the naga race if you've made some significant changes

 

[VeljkoM]

Nothing significant sadly just cosmetic and mana ability. Spell section just lacks simple spells for units. Everything is to epic...

 

[Misha]

well then nerf it.. nerf them all

 

[VeljkoM]

Well at least expect heroes to be customized.

 

[VeljkoM]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=52kype figured it would bring life here anyway.

Changes are small and mostly cosmetic but there are few new things. Royal guard upgrade isn't global you upgrade specific unit. Will probably increase later Royal Guards stats and limit it to 3 units. Ok forgot to rename mana ability but it is still there at 3rd tier... added well "fire coral" upgrade that will 100% get renamed. Oh and last but not least enchantress got few new spells. As for cosmetic stuff you'll see yourself.

Tool-tips are still not done and please suggest ideas. Especially names.

 

[varsaigen]

Big, flashy spells with pathetic damage? Yes, it is a shame no one makes basic spells for units. :/ They are all making their Shoop-da-Whoop class spells. :/

 

[VeljkoM]

Pathetic? 245 damage + 5 seconds stun isn't that bad. If you look at blizz spell you'll see damage isn't that high since hero isn't supposed to be one man army.

 

[Misha]

cool map, it's coming along nicely :3

but lol, you had some lvl 10 heroes for player 1 XD might wanna remove 'em?

and.. why does the royal guard always disappear? remove his alternate tag, lol

 

[varsaigen]

I'm not saying that their spells ahve pathetic damage. I'm saying that if you wanted "normal" spells and used their graphics, that you'd have overly flashy spells with minimal damage, rather than their 50,000 damage and a massive explosion. :/

 

[VeljkoM]

Oh those heroes were for testing purposes.

Oh well you are right. Guess spells have rulle somewhere that forbids them for being useful unless they are flashy enough to cause epilepsy.

 

[sacridshadow]

lol exactly. I haven't tested your new version yet, but I hope to do so within the next couple of days. That is, if my mind will let me stray from WoW, the game I want to make, and the book I'm writing. lol